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I'm happy to explain more to clear up your misunderstanding. I live in the US, and anyone who is a Viner in the US will receive the same tax form no matter how they choose to use the platform. Many people use the program for personal items, and I believe using the "hobby" option is best. How you choose to file is your decision based on your situation because the video links help you determine if you qualify per the IRS to claim as a hobby. I made this video to help those who are experiencing issues understand their options during tax time, because of your misunderstanding.

@@MoneyStruggleSuccess Thanks for your help. I just don't understand what to do when all the vine items are mixed category. Some of it could be hobby income; some could maybe end up business income; but it seems it would be wrong to pay business tax on the whole vine amount, when some of it is personal. So even though it is all lumped together by Amazon, it seems the various items deserve various treatment in handling taxes. That was my real concern. Do you know how to handle such a situation, when all your items fall in different categories? Thanks.

I have made several tax-related videos based on my conversations with many highly qualified individuals who are smarter than me, but they all had different opinions, had no clue, felt confused, and then I spoke with the IRS. I took all that information and concluded that your logic is valid, but you are going to complicate an already complicated situation trying to divide products into groups based on use. As I mentioned, if between January to December you use both types of products you are only getting 1 tax form. It does not matter to Amazon and they will not divide your product totals based on your logic. You either take the easy road and file that one tax as a hobby or file as a business for the IRS, or you dig and work with a tax team to find another option based on the current tax law. This decision may not be the same for your state and local, so you should contact them to see what they suggest. Since you seem to be against this option, speak with a tax professional for guidance.

@@MoneyStruggleSuccess You are reading opposition into my communication when it is not there. I am asking questions not opposing at all. I have no spirit of being against you. I greatly appreciate what you have to say. I was eager & curious to read your response just now. I hope this clears up the misunderstanding. You are doing a great job with sharing your experience to help others. Even though Amazon doesn't divide the items/ tax allocation, doesn't mean I can't when doing taxes, is my best guess. I also understand business tax is quarterly, so I've been gaining all this amazon stuff before having any earned income at all as an artist, so even though this is all new to me, I suspect that I can count amazon vine as just 1099, & then just stop receiving amazon vine items when a quarter starts that I start business earnings, so amazon vine won't effect that business quarter. This is my sense of what is right & fair & how it should be done for me & how I'll go about it. Again, thanks for taking time to answer. If you have any more info I'll gladly receive it. You are awesome. Thanks for caring to help people. Blessings. Peace. Love wins.

I appreciate it so much. I genuinely thank you for that. To clarify this portion of your comment: "You are reading opposition into my communication when it is not there. I am asking questions, not opposing at all. I have no spirit of being against you. " Here are the sentences I interpreted to make me comment as I did. You stated, 'I just don't understand what to do when all the vine items are mixed categories.' I mentioned that the general answer is to file as a hobby or to file the 1099 form Amazon provides at the end of the year as a business. The 'pushback' sentence from you, which I understood to mean, ' I hear what you are saying, but I don't want to do that, which is a normal response, ' was, 'So even though it is all lumped together by Amazon, it seems the various items deserve various treatment in handling taxes.' This led me to state that you should talk with a tax professional who can find another solution based on the current tax law that may work for how you want to file your taxes from Vine. Dividing one tax form into two different totals isn't something I have ever heard of or done, so I have nothing to say about that besides talking to a professional or researching it. I understand you need an answer regarding product use broken down for tax purposes between personal and business, even though Amazon will only give you 1 form, not broken down. Also, I never for a second felt or thought you were against me, and reading comments can often interpret the tone differently than the actual intent. This is my opinion of what happened during our communication. No worries, nor biggie. Vine taxes are very complicated and unusual, so any information you get from your own research or others should be confirmed by your own research, a tax professional, or the IRS directly. Your thoughts are very logical, and I agree, but how you file your taxes per current code or tax professional opinions doesn't always coincide with logic, which is very frustrating. I'm still happy to help whenever you want another Viners opinion.💚

My experience was a random email that I thought was spam initially. I revuewed every product and attached inages. Recently, new people have been invited and I found that many did way less and still got invited. My initial thoughts on how to get the invite is nowgone because they inviting anyone no matter the number of reviews submitted.

Only updates I come across are comments left by actual recipients of government benefits. It's best to call them and ask since everyone gets different information.

This video reflected what I was doing 1 year ago and is no longer what I do. There is no minimum review requirement. Everything you do is a choice based on what you want to do. If you want to review 1 product a week, day etc thats your call.

@@MoneyStruggleSuccess - thank you!

Yeah, if its his account and thats primarily what he search and choose/buy, thats what he will get offered mostly.

You're so welcome! People.just be making up stuff with these tax laws.

I'll be happy to answer your questions! 3rd question Any business can submit a tax document claiming income has been paid to anyone in the united states. It is our job as that taxpayer to challenge any claimed income by an organization with the irs to provide burden of proof. Just because a business submitted a text I commit to the irs does not mean that was the correctly and it's our job to show per the tax law while this income is not deemed legible. When I initially filed my income as HOBBY I had a tax preparer who only saw this as income just because of the tax form I received. When I spoke to a different person who shed light on the nuances of what was happening and how the tax law could be viewed differently based on the true nature of this program, I decided to go a different route. You will find many have chosen to file by hobby and also as a self-employed individual who then must pay self-employment. My thought is they and or their their tax preparer figures it's much easier and they don't want to go through the hassle of researching or asking questions to challenge the income that amazon is claiming to have provided. 2nd question Even though you already saw the answer to this, I will still reiterate what I stated. Throughout the year I have requested items to be removed due to various reasons which decreased my ETV value. Some of those requests were not removed from my account, as the associates told me. I learned that when you have an incorrect tax document, and you try to get it corrected but fail, you reach out to the IRS, which will guide you on what you need to do, as this document is not factual. My opinion Amazon has found a way to oblige the tax authorities by taxing us for participating in the program, although the products we receive are from numerous sellers, not solely Amazon. Although Amazon does participate in this program I received less than 1% of products from Amazon. At the end of the day, the IRS is a business that relies on tax documents provided to them from businesses. We, as taxpayers, have been conditioned to be afraid of the IRS and to never raise questions due to history. This leads to people paying tax bills they technically should not. The government is not going to stop people from paying the IRS if it's going to help them get more money at the end of the day. It is our job(taxpayers) to ensure that we're not paying money we should not be paying just because a business submitted a document that should not have been submitted in the first place.

@@MoneyStruggleSuccess I absolutely agree, and I admire your commitment to discerning the truth and not allowing your fears or convenience to drive your tax filing. Thanks to you, I feel more equipped to handle this. I am currently on government assistance due to health concerns, so I have reached out to ensure this won’t affect my benefits. They notated my account, and told me it won’t affect it. My next step is reaching out to the IRS. I do not have to file taxes, but I believe I may need to do so late since I received the 1099 from Amazon. I worked as a staff accountant, so not personal taxes, however I have a decent handle on understanding the laws. I’ve also spoken to several people, but I’m at a loss with regards to reporting this as it is not a hobby income nor self employment, and yet I feel I need to respond to the tax document provided by Amazon so the IRS isn’t coming after me for not filing. Thanks for all you’ve shared!

Good luck with everything and thanks for reaching out. 😊

Due to my personal 1099 issue, I paid 0 dollars in taxes.

@@MoneyStruggleSuccess I hope this is the same in my country (France). Do you think it will the same for you in 2024 since 2022/2023 were years where Amazon changed their rules and tries to comply with tax laws.

If I have future 1099 issues, YES! Based off my research and my tax team, I expect this to not have a balance due in the future unless the tax law changes to make my tax strategy become a balance due.

Maybe the view is different depencing on the browser?? I am using Chrome in this video.

Glad it was helpful!

I agree that not everyone should join Vine due to a lack of self control. I can tell you that 0 ETV products as well as getting Amazon to remove the ETV for products makes Vine worth it. I have learned how to get the system to offer me 0 etv products like massage guns, treadmills, heating pads, under desk ellipticals, red light therapy devices and so much more. But I like those type of things so they are worth it for me and family and friends who I gice them away to as well.

Its called Unicorn pro

Correct in regards to using Schedule 1 to file Vine income as a hobby if it applies to you individually. The ending of my video shows and explained my need to amend my return to zero out the income due to my incorrect 1099. The pinned link in my comments also directs people to a video further explaining this video as well as people are confused or choosing to hesr what they want.

@@MoneyStruggleSuccess Good videos. People just need to "follow the Money" ;) I really do think that some have a hard time accepting that Vine items are not "free" to them. It is like someone winning a car and thinking they don't owe taxes on it. Vine members should be thankful for the 72% discount, but still shop prudently and wisely.

Come on now, THANKFUL. If anyone or entity should be thankful is Amazon sellers and Amazon. You can get these same discounts or even more from various places from the actual sellers themselves without the tax obligation. Well some items are 100% FREE with no ETV value and I focus on those more because I or family can use them, I still blame Amazon for keeping the 'FREE' language in all advertisements regarding Vine when it is not true. I felt dupped because I only signed up because they said it would be "free items", only to find out once I signup and started working my way through the resources tab, I found out about the tax obligation. I disagree with the "it's like winning a car " analogy because I've discussued with tax professionals and the IRS and each made it clear this isn't compariable circumstance especially for tax purposes. Everyone will compare Vine to what ever circumstance that makes the most sense to them to better understand this program and that's okay.

@@MoneyStruggleSuccess Well, as I have told others, they can quit Vine at anytime if they don't like it. I'm a pretty frugal shopper, even in Vine. While I am able to get 8 items a day, with no $ value limit, 1-5/week is an average. I do appreciate your videos and point of view. :) Hope you didn't think I wasn't grateful for your vids!

@michaelfagan5229 Not at all! I appreciate those like yourself who comment good or bad. I appreciate all points of views on topics I discuss. It's fun and I learn something sometimes. 😁

Because I had an incorrect amount on my 1099 for Vine. I elaborate about that part right before I showed the tax form walk through. Not everyone will experience that issue, but since I did amended my return.

Hmm, I dont make money from Vine because Vine doesn't pay you. Can you state what video I stated this so it can be corrected?

@@MoneyStruggleSuccess Well, this video is talking about Vine and making money, but it's not clear to me exactly what you're talking about.

​@TreesOnTheBeach This video we are commenting under is all about the Amazon Influencer program and I don't mention Amazon Vine at all if my memory serves me. I do have a Amazon Vine Playlist where I share videos on how I utilize the Vine program to make money. Not this video though 😊

@@MoneyStruggleSuccess Ah, my bad. I saw some of your Vine videos and I guess I thought this was another one. Thanks for the clarification!

No problem and thank for watching a few of my videos. I do plan on making more videos showing how the Vine program products can help make you money because there is so much opportunity withit.

I can only answer the first part which is Form 1099 NEC from Amazon.

@@MoneyStruggleSuccess so they never gave you a 1099nec ?

@shimmy1284 I never said that in the video.

This is what i am asking you lol which for you did not receive

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My video where I spoke with the IRS and shared what was said was only regarding a 1099 that wasnt correct. I have another video talking about filing as a hobby here: th-cam.com/video/eRJOg4W_ZpY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=JjzEjTpIO4drm2qt.

Thanks for watching! You don't need to write a letter to file as a hobby. This video mentions that because I had received a 1099 that wasnt correct and tried to get it corrected but Amazon gave me the run around. This video specifically talks about it and I share hot to do it. Skip through to get to the demo if you like. th-cam.com/video/eRJOg4W_ZpY/w-d-xo.html I hope that works.

Pardon my ignorance 😊 I was under the impression that I should report the amount on line 1, line 7 and then also on line 28 as expenses, which zeros out this 'income' on line 29, right? But as you've mentioned, attach a letter justifying why this shouldn't be considered as an income. Also, what do write on lines A, B, C etc. Nothing I think. And I don't want to file as a hobby, wonder why you mentioned.🤔

@@Khans-in-va Only if you have a 1099 that is not accurate as per my video. I gave you the link if you have chosen to file this income as a hobby. You do not submit a letter to the IRS if you file as a hobby.

OK, since I don't file this 1099 as a hobby, I should submit a letter in which I state why I am zeroing out the income correct. Thanks.

@@Khans-in-va That's what I have been told and seen others do when attempting to zero out that income.

Thanks you! It will take time, but you could always just start now with any new videos you upload. You can do a page a day or how often you like u til you get through all the old ones.

Yes, its one or the other not both. Yes, anytime you submit written documents you cant efile as of right now.

Amazon is a a mystery! Ive looked at other people talk about this same topic and it's nothing we can do. They just pick random people. I was in your shoes like 2 years before I got the email invite. Just be patient which is easier said then done.

I've heard it's entirely random and could just be Amazon picking certain geographic areas at a time. It also helps if your reviews are being marked as helpful as well

@@CodeGap yea true. But in my opinion the helpful system is also not the best. It says not much about the quality of the review. Most people also only read the upper reviews. And 1,2 or 3 Star ratings are more likely to get no likes.

That cant be the onlt thing valuable about my video 😔

Everyone files Vine taxes how they see fit. I'm just sharing in this video.

Happy it brought you awareness.

A few people havd commented on different Vine videos I have posted after talking to an accountant, the IRS or CPA as I did on following similar steps. There seems to be multiple paths to the same. Its best to not rely on me or other random people and take the time to ask the questions as I did in the video as there is no question in regards to your tax method regarding Vine.

I'll share what I can because what I choose to do isn't tru for everyone. 1. 'bunch of stuff' refers to my past correspondence with Amz for products I requested to be removed that was confirmed but the amounts still showed. (basically proof) 2. You have access to the amazon FAQ and the Vine participation agreement to read over regarding Amazon stating if we are independent contractors or not. (My opinion on this matter has been confirmed multiple times, but everyone is free to choose to be categorized as one if they choose.)

@@MoneyStruggleSuccess Thank you for your quick reply. I'll try to puzzle it out on my own.

@bibliophile99 If your questions to me earlier is the - puzzle you're facing #2 is a personal choice based on your tax knowledge and or your tax advisor on how you go about dealing with the 'Independence contractor' category. I made a few videos on the matter, but it's really based on how you want to move forward in how to be classified as a Viner outside of them giving you that tax form that makes the assumption you are indeed one. #1 is as simple as I could put that information

Awesome, thank you!

Nothing to report

I was wondering the same thing. If this was done as a correction to a previous tax filing, was a corrected tax rebate received?

My amended return was processed. No issues here.

That is one option and it takes more time of course. If I was facing this problem again I would file how I was told to zero out the income due to the incorrect 1099 form from the start including the letter. This is what I would do if this happened to me again.

Hi fellow Viner! I'm glad I read your comment because I think what you're suggesting seems like the logical preferred way for me personally. Even though this video has got me excited and I hope to utilize the information in the way suggested.......I'm just scared. Especially in knowing how the IRS likes to access giant fees sometimes if you don't dot all the i's and cross all the t's just the way they like, even if sometimes it is just a way to scare you into action. The fact is, I just don't know what I'm doing and that's scary when dealing with an entity like the IRS. I don't want the stress of worrying if I did it wrong, or wondering for months if maybe I missed an audit letter (sometimes my mail gets lost) or if one might still be on the way. This way I can have it all done in time, the safest way and end the worrying now, instead of wondering if things may be about to get much worse by taking a chance and doing it wrong. I'll do a little more research and submit a non-rushed, carefully done amendment and if it works then it will just be a pleasant surprise and then I'll also have much more confidence in how to submit it from the start, next time around. Thank you for putting the idea in my head!

I understand your apprehension and I would do the same in your shoes. The one piece of advice I want to give is you are never in the dark when you ask questions. The ITD has a phone number to reach agents who can pull your tax return and inform you of whatever you are seeking most times. After seeing my CPA and Accountants always calling them for information, I thought why dpnt I do that as it will be much faster. Get comfortable calling them and asking questions. Pay for a tax filing service like Turbotax that includes an Accountant or CPA to ask questions while filing your taxes. I wish you luck!

I would first ask them to explain how this number cam about if you are filing with a person face to face. If you are doing your own taxes online, I would double check the numbers and where you placed your totals to make sure you are being taxed correctly. You have the choice to file Vine income as a hobby or business is the hobby option applies to you. That number is big and may be scary, but compose yourself and check your numbers and if you are filing as a business or decided if hobby is best for you. Here is the hobby link ber the IRS: www.irs.gov/newsroom/heres-how-to-tell-the-difference-between-a-hobby-and-a-business-for-tax-purposes Good luck!

$20,000??? For you to have to owe $20,000 due to Amazon Vine, you would have had to have reviewed over $100,000 worth of items. Are you sure that number is correct???

Well actually it was over 25,000 but with my credit it lowered it to 20,000 I am disabled and I also have a 4 year old who has autism spectrum disorder sever adhd primary cilla dyskinesia and and a rare chromosome disorder so that qualify him as a disabled child I was told you get extra credit for that . I didn’t sell any products I kept them or some came and caught on fire in my living room and some I donated to homeless people after I was done doing the review process so there no way I’ll pull that amount out . I didn’t realize I have to employment tax I thought it was sale tax . My number is not over 100,000 but they said I have to pay sales tax because I revived a 1099 nec

If you filed already your best bet would possibly be amending your return and filing as a hobby as you mentioned.

I have my Linktree connected to my profile. I have a contact form attached. I'm here to help as I can.

Happy to share all that I can.🙂

Amazon isn't told you you file taxes or not. That's you choice to file taxes or not. It could hurt you down the road if you should've filed, but didn’t. Just be smart about you choices and calculate the risks of putting off filing now vs later.

The tax system itself is very broken in my opinion. Will it ever truly benefit us ... probably not in my lifetime.

Thanka for sharing 😊

All of her research is conveniently people telling her what she wants to hear. You can only surmise she's ignoring any information critical of her position.

@@is0sceles ?

I just made a new video showing how I got a product removed because of a big value coupon that is listed in my Vine playlist. It's all very questionable in opinion.

What contract?

Vine’s program policies aren’t an employment contract though. So you’re comparing apples to oranges here.

Thanks for this!

That is very true. but didn't apply to my scenario in my video.

I appreciate your thoughts on this. Like many other people, I was unaware of the tax implications of reviewing Amazon products when I signed on, or I would have thought more carefully about what I chose to review from the beginning. There are some helpful Reddit threads I encountered after the fact that provide history on the Amazon and IRS debate regarding the tax status of Vine reviewers. Apparently, it's actually the IRS that required Amazon to start sending out 1099-NECs to Vine reviewers sometime around 2015-16, and Amazon fought it. I have yet to find official documentation of this, although it seems credible. That tax liability, of course, skews the whole the Vine Program, too, since in-the-know reviewers are less likely to review items that are risky in terms of estimated value vs. perceived value. I'm less like to review items "for fun" (e.g., that box of cocktail umbrellas) if I know there are taxes to pay if I do.

I did some research, asked people smarter than me and I called the IRS as well. This video outlines what I was told, but you should do your due diligence by asking accountants, cpa etc to double check if you dont call the IRS as I did. th-cam.com/video/tWiIiqOVBFg/w-d-xo.html

Yup! This is why I tell people to not be so quick to review products. I wait until the very last minute since Vine will not help with any product already reviewed.

@truggleSuccess yea i just came across your videos. I'm going to start waiting to review now. Pretty lame of vine to be unhelpful to anyone who already reviewed. It doesn't change the situation at all. Oh well thanks for your content !!

@@fakeaccount829 Agree! Happy to help.

I cant speak on sales tax because that's not something I deal with nor need to pay towards.

Thank you. I keep reading about the 3 ways we will be taxed. So, very confusing.@@MoneyStruggleSuccess

Happy to share!

Thanks for sharing.