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Thank...Live in the Netherlands for several years and yes the healthcare is very good. France is also good as long as you not leave in an isolate area. Lived also in Italy, and sadly the level of healthcare was not good at all, for my standards but yet a very nice country. I am surprised to see the amount of people encouraging to move to Italy when you are retiring, often to move to small villages/towns without even thinking about one of the most important factor which is the healthcare facilities and their efficiencies/quality...All in all I would pick Spain,France.

Thank you Saar for a lovely and informative video. We are going to be staying at the Hotel Torre di Bellosguardo in September and are looking forward to exploring the Oltrarno and finding some good restaurants in this area.

Why not fly back to America for health care?

Southern Italy is hotter , slower more corrupt bureaucracy and the people are not as sophisticated. Move to northern Italy if you want more sophisticated European experience.

I can't hear this anymore. You guys aren't expats. Expats are temporarily assigned for a predetermined duration in a specific location, by their existing corporate employers, in their professional capacity. You're immigrants. Simple as that. If you're trying to leave again after some time you're not an immigrant, you're a guest worker, or maybe a tourist. Expats 😂 Think you're better or what? Because that's how y'all come across. No one except you guys like that trust me.

Buongiorno Saar. Your wonderful channel popped up on my YT feed yesterday. It could not have happened at a better time. I am doing 'deep dive' due diligence on applying for an ERV (Elective Residence Visa). Your experience with the health service mirrors comments I have read on other channels and blogs. Obtaining an ERV is challenging and every consulate seems to interpret the conditions differently. However, my main concern is the process of obtaining a PDS when you arrive in Italy. I have read that people are waiting 8 months for their first appointment at a Questura. This means it could be a year before you actually have a PDS card. The PDS is the 'key' to 'official' life - commune, SSN, doctor, buying a car etc, so I could be in limbo for maybe a year. I live in Bangkok and have 3 annual check-ups with my rheumatologist; the care is fantastic. Listening to your experience, I am concerned that gaining access to a rheumatologist might be extremely difficult until I am in the system. Like you, I am entitled to an S1, but I cannot register this without a PDS. Also, I have been told that some ASLs do not want to accept the S1. Catch 22 🤕. I have lived in France and Spain (Andalucia) and have restored houses in both countries. I've always wanted to experience 'la dolce vita', but the more I investigate, the more I see that life is not so 'dolce' 🥲. The non-lucrative visa for Spain is more straightforward. The financial requirements are lower, you can use an S1 for your health costs, and, when you arrive in Spain, you get a TIE residency card from your local police station or immigration office. I think I may return to España. You mentioned Cordoba. It is gorgeous. I ran a guest house in the 'pueblo blanco' of Medina Sidonia in the Provincia de Cádiz. Cádiz is an interesting town - history, food, beach, good transport connections, great bars and the locals are full of 'character' 😂 I hope you are both well again. If I can give you any ideas on España, please ask. Buena suerte 😎.

What is the name of the song in your video please

Lovely video. I have only been to Rome but I hope to get to other parts of Italy soon. 😊

I am an American who has lived in France with my wife since early 2023, and the same sort of issues in Italy are in France, except, the healthcare is on a slightly higher level here I think. Are there doctors and hospitals in Italy that are private that people can pay for there, or are they all government paid for facilities? Here there are both private and public facilities

Yeah, Italy is not easy to foreigners... But it's truthful. You can live here but it will not be easy. Apart for burocracy, it's not easy to just change culture. There's a lot of issues that comes in that way that can sometimes be impossible to win over. Nonetheless it's possible. Definitely is way harder become Italians than just becoming citizens of any other countries in the world. You know? Things that values a lot usually cost a lot. 😉 Good luck, be happy. Wish you guts the best. 👍

Charming 😊

Beautiful video. TY🙏❤️

You are very sweet people. Thank you for your raw honesty and diplomacy too. ❤

Very useful info thank you

I'm sorry about the Long Covid. I know an Italian around 40 years of age who struggles with Long Covid but it came after his vaccination

I wish you had gotten to the point of why you moved sooner Saar OR PUT timestamps which is very common now on TH-cam. I'm sorry it didn't work for you...something of the energy was off for you at this time...perhaps in future... Is your husband quite a bit older than you? Holland is quite different than Italy. ALSO WHY didn't you guys try a different city? Italy is long so the climate is SO SO VARIED? From Siciliy, and beaches etc to mountains in Alps???? Puglia...so many regions.

Past lives, we have lived in places before then we are drawn to it again.

Thank you for your beautiful videos about Florence! They are very sensuous and a joy to watch 💖

Are there good private hospitals in Florence? hospitals without wait times and high quality care?

Hi, i love your video, thank you for your advices, I’m Mexican/American my husband is German, and we were planing to move to Florence or Valencia in a few months, we thought will be easy as he’s European, but as much as I love Italy i may now choose Spain.

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I want to move to italy for a more full life. I live in america I work 50hrs a week and have no downtime I'm always tired. I want to go to sicily to get in touch with my heritage limit my options and just slow down. What are work options for expats

First time watching your channel. The topic was interesting. I was finding it difficult listening to both of you when you talk over each other. Maybe it’s my age and the different tones of both voices but just to let you know. Sorry about your health care experiences. I’ve heard this said before in other regions. As a dual citizen I hope to spend time in both Italy but keep my hard earned Berkeley home. Many good wishes!

Very nice only if something happens to you who look after you, because Italian has social care.

i think you finally it the wall that stands below all the beautiful veils of Italy. Which doesn't make the veils untrue, but at the same time doesn't make the wall untrue. And that is one of the reasons why Italians leave Italy (even if they eventually return for the other reasons :D). The burocracy is stupid. Togheter with the Indian one, they are the worst in the world. They both look nice until.... something happens in their mind (or somewhere). They just stop being who they are. They become "the system" And they are proud of it And they basically become robots who can't solve the easiest problem because "it's the system" (similar like people that says "it's the law" or "it's the medic system") They refer to it in a way that makes you think they believe that is something "supernatural" that cannot be touched or improved or even disregarded, if necessary. Somehow they don't realize or they forgot that "they are system" and that free will together with good sense, are more important then rules. they forgot that the "system" is made (or brought on) by humans (at least for what i know) and they could change that if it's not working. making it more thin and efficient, at least. So they have hospitals and rules and equipment, but they will lack somewhere else. Let's enjoy the food and the landscapes, it's better... sadly

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Isn't "free" healthcare great? "Free" everything. Because hippies love "human rights".

So nice video :) where is that beautiful park? It is in Florence?

Thank you 🎉😂❤

Thank you so much.love your video.

Thank you so much for sharing. Can I as an American citizen stay in Italy as,an retired expat for 3-months.?and are in Florence. I hear is very beautiful.

Americans love to romanticize Europe.

Theyve left Italy already

Ciao Saar! That was soo interesting. Thank you so much for sharing with us. I hope you and your husband are keeping well and are happy! Sending hugs your way 😍🤗💖

Where are you now?

You mentioned the heat, i live inl las Vegas where the temperature is 114 deg in the summer, but without the humidity. So maybe it could be feasible.

Thanks for this nice video that confirms why Italy is not rated high by expats despite the bella vita - Spain and France might be better but honestly Holland is not an option either.

Love it! Thank you. Yes, I do agree that if you like nomadic life you better be a minimalist. Have you ever considered Colombia or Ecuador? We, my husband and I, spent a month in Cuenca, Ecuador recently and we loved it. We heard from the expat community that Cuenca’s health care is very good. We are Canadians with European background, lived in a few places in Europe and the States through our working life (because of work) and now found South America very attractive and affordable. No plans to relocate for good, but definitely spending more time there during a year.

Hi Saar. I know God is giving you both an option to follow a great place to live Holland . I wish you and your husband the best and You both can find the best health care in your Country. God bless you both and give you both a Healthy life together. 😘😘

Sorry for all your troubles. It would have helped if you had provided details on the problems you encountered. Items like Visas could have been investigated from abroad before coming to Italy. That would apply to any country anyone wishes to move to. Same with health care. What were the good things (free) vs. the so-called health care system bureaucracy. Long COVID issues would be challenging anywhere, and it appears more daunting on top of all the other issues in a foreign country. You mentioned that eventually, some health care intervention helped. Details would help tremendously put things in perspective and make your video more informative. Sorry, but I only got generalities which do not help much..

Which city do yu live or work in Italy and what's reason behind movie you here dear, tell me plz?

I appreciate the content. It's difficult to follow the discussion when you're both answering the same question at the same time, though. lol Lots of talking over one another. Not meant as a criticism - just an observation.

I have friends who live in and love Holland. It seems like it has a high happiness quotient.

I was feeling droggy, worn out, tired, no appetite, didn't wanna eat, didn't wanna bathe, didn't wanna do anything really. A coworker took me to her chiropractor and that chiropractor, pushed and prodded, snapped, crackled, and popped from my feet all the way up to my neck. I just needed skeletal adjustments. What people were calling covid wasn't covid at all. General Drs. Don't approve of chiropractic treatment. They wanna dope you up with pills and keep you coming back for more. General Drs. V chiropractors I'll go with chiropractors

Great video! It would have been even more helpful if you had been more specific and given more details about the issues you experienced.

How are you now? A part of me wishes my husband knew how this was it’s almost my third year in. With relapses

This was a pleasure to watch. Great video and wonderfully made. Thanks for the bike App. I just downloaded it....

Nice

Bureaucratic problems. Any specifics?

I moved to Clabria where I felt like a fish out of water, then relocated to Formia/Gaeta in the Lazio area (a place I was researching ) and I had that sense of place that you are talking about. It instantly fetl like home. Yes the health system beaurocracy is a nightmare. Panama has a better, more streamline system and their connectivity to modern platforms are more advanced so we do not have that stress. It also has more accessible veterinary care. But; the people in Italy tho!!!!...I can't have enough of them!!!....they are beautiful welcoming people.....and don't even get me starting on the artisans's wine!....good luck on your next home. Andalucia, Spain is on my plans for the next move, but I am afraid I will miss the people here.