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He can read the metronome's number though.

This is rather slower than Beethoven marked.

A bit slower still

with a gipsy trumpeter XD

They were very oikish in those days. They cheered sarcastically at any loud ending, usually during the first run-through. But however did this get through to the master tape? Insufficient retake time? Deaf recording producer?

I thought it was the choir!😂

Yes but what Mahler should have done instead of writing extra parts is reducing the string section down to the numbers of Beethoven's time, which is what is done now most of the time. His trumpet writing would have been impossible with the trumpets of Beethoven's time.

Quotenwagnerianer Yeah, but that's not really in line with how orchestras work, especially in Mahler's time; editing composers' orchestrations was and remains common practice - it makes for a better performance for everyone involved. For those people who want to hear historically informed performances, the option is out there, but really all that Mahler did was to double some instruments to bring out the layers and to present a clear picture of the power in a late 19th Century orchestra.

@@Quotenwagnerianer Typisch englischer reaktionärer Snob....

@johannbrandstatter7419 -- Can't always mention....lest U-Tube rough up the offender.......

I mean in the USA

My first copy was a CD that my Dad brought over from Europe. When I wanted it again in my older age, I ordered a Japanese CD reissue from Amazon. I'm pretty sure these are the only two editions. You're probably going to have to special order it, unless it's downloadable or streaming somewhere

superior en que sentido?, no puedes comparar Beethoven con Mahler

Mahler reorquestro esta sinfonia por razones practicas. Orquestras modernos necesitan mas vientos para equilibrar la potencia exagerada de las cuerdas y los latones. O esto, o utilizar los instrumentos de la epoca de Beethoven.

No need to compare dude but still I respect ur opinion 😑

The major changes are associated with woodwing and brass, so Mahler kind of "increased" their role in movements changing some dynamics to forte or fortissimo or making them playing in parts that Beethoven actually did not add.

Beethoven was deaf when he wrote the Symphony so while he could certainly hear in his head what he was writing down, when it was actually played, it might not have actually sounded as he fully intended. Also in the decades between Beethoven and Mahler orchestras and tastes had changed, so Mahler probably intended a “rebalancing” of sorts so that a Romantic-era orchestra could play the Ninth and we’d still get the experience Beethoven intended.

What also needs to be taken into account that Beethoven wrote this piece for Instruments of his era (while he was deaf). Mahler was conducting an orchestra many decades later that had more modern instruments. Changes are often really needed when performing old music because modern instruments are often louder than the old ones. And i also heard that if a conductor had a bad orchestra he would just change the score to make it work, f. Ex. give other instruments the parts the bass could not play on their own, doubling the parts.

In my opinion, the difference is that this symphony sounds like Mahler. Not only after Beethoven anymore. An unnecessary change that harms the piece. Fortunately, the original version is played. Whether Mahler was too arrogant? I don't know. But better the original.

Lucia sim!

Christian Gentet, Frédéric Alcaraz, Jean-Philippe Viret, Olivier Moret, Renaud Garcia-Fons, Thibault Delor, Yves Torchinsky

This is the only one he re-orchestrated.

@@bathtubbarracuda2581 the 5th would have been great. Maybe he would have turned the beginning into a trumpet solo. Oh wait ...... he did that and called it his own 5th ...

Mahler actually reorchestrated the 3rd, 5th, 7th, and 9th symphonies.

@@jonass2644 Too many people say that Mahler quoted Beethoven's C minor symphony introductory motif. However, I will stick to my hypothesis that Mahler was actually quoting Mendelssohn's 3rd piece (Andante Maestoso) from from his magnum opus "Songs Without Words" (Book No. 5). Now, it is also obvious that Mendelssohn was quoting Beethoven C minor symphony. Ergo, Mahler was quoting a quote, which is Mendelssohn and Beethoven at the same time.

@@douglaskelly1394 This comment's why so many people unfortunately hate concert music.

It might be Mátyás Antal conducting the Hungarian State Orchestra

@@LordoftheFleet I don't think so..they did studio records of portuguese music, not live ones..also the minutage is different...

@@Bomtempo5 Thank you for the information and for correcting me.

@@LordoftheFleet sorry not being able to bring more light about this recording, though :)

Beethoven's version is also very fast,because he wrote down the metronome's number.

Correct. This is the right tempo. The reverent, majestic tempi distort the musical argument. This movement is 'about' mountains and struggle, not veneer and antique.

@@Bendzsi1997 There are reasons to suspect Beethoven wasn't using the metronome correctly. www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-12/ucid-bdw121720.php

vesteel Lol

Nope. It's exactly as fast as Beethoven wanted it according to his own metronome markings. I haven't heard a performance in years that was slower than this.

Tout à fait, avec son expression fameuse « le moelleux de la contrebasse ». Excellente émission.

è lo stile di Abbado, la musica "gira" ti avvolge e ti porta via, love Abbado