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@@ERC-n7g I agree that the down with any outer layer is noisy. Now…can a deer hear it at 20yds? I would doubt it. The proximity is a good jacket. I had one and it was warm and quiet. If you don’t have burrs where you are it would be good option. I know it gets lots colder there than where I am in Ohio. So, might want to check out the new haven down jacket. But really, as long as I don’t wear any down mid layers my axis apparel is quiet enough for me.

@@dannysavagedraftguru the last time I checked Christensen web page the only rifle chambered in 450 was the Ridgeline scout. If you want a Christensen mesa or Ridgeline you’ll need to buy used. Plenty of them on gun broker for a good price.

@@jimmytimeoutdoorz4907 they brand new on line both mesa and ridgeline. But I read lot of reviews lot of problems with that brand. Question I was asking you was to see what you paid to see if they went up or down in price

@@BROVERLANDER the purpose was to see how long the set would last before they wet out. I was 200 yards from my back door so I was in no danger of hypothermia. My question to you would be, why would a company make clothes with waterproof provisions if they weren’t meant to be worn in wet conditions? Wouldn’t it also be nice to know how they preformed in those wet conditions before needed them in a less forgiving situation.

@@matthewmichalek436 I found the wind pro camo to be frosty and not vivid. It’s very quiet and does block the wind well enough. The peloton 240 is a great jacket and does everything they claim including wind blocking. The only detractors are that it has no hole for safety harness and it’s is kinda loud. If you’re buying check the new proximity LT jacket. It’s replacing wind pro.

@@jimmytimeoutdoorz4907 Thanks. I have been using a saddle, so the safety harness hole hasn't been necessary. Probably come down to price when they have a sale soon on either option. Good videos on fitment and sizing! I will be sizing up to layer after watching.

@@matthewmichalek436 I personally like the 240 better. I’ve got two and they both are “loud” but with a few washes they calm down some. It’s probably nothing a deer would hear from 20 yards…

@@nathankimbro2639 I found the bottoms to run the same as all the other pants I’ve got. 32” with no layers and 34” with. The top was roomy in the chest but like must Kuiu it’s narrow in the sleeve cuffs (elbow to wrist). I had a large and I could wear any layers I needed except for a puffy layer like keni….FYI I sold my encounter jacket and pants…. I personally found them to not be very warm (no wind protection at all). The pocket layout is great and it’s not a bad garment. But, if the wind blows cold you might feel it and if it rains they wet out quickly too.

@@jimmytimeoutdoorz4907 Thanks for the feedback. I was primarily interested in the Encounter 200 which is the waffle top tee. My Peleton 118 zip tee I'm XXL vs Merino 120 in XL. Its always a guessing game with fingers crossed when I order.

@@nathankimbro2639 ah…sorry. I find the 200 to be as expected. It’s warm and fits as normal. I had a peloton 190 hooded too. In my opinion the encounter is better worn over a merino or any other next to the skin layer. The peloton is more suited as a mid layer over the encounter if needed. That’s how I used them last season.

@@nathankimbro2639 AND! In my experience with Kuiu…the merino clothes run bigger than the synthetic clothes.

@@jimmytimeoutdoorz4907 absolutely. Except the Merino short sleeve then I'm back up to XXL

@@enjoytheoutdoors101 I’ve got a vid about to come out on the Encounter. I hunt Ohio, PA and Ny. I was very disappointed with the encounter line. I’m also going to do a vid on my kit for this year that will replace the encounter.

Sounds good 👍

@@flushot6513 the guide is only a shell with no real insulation. You may layer beneath it but it’s not a warm layer by itself. The Axis jacket is way better than the guide by the way…you might want to compare the two.

@@Darianparsiyani both companies make legit clothing lines. I prefer the Kuiu camo patterns. What is your method of hunting, species and geographic location?

@@flushot6513 I find one size up gets you midlayers and two sizes up gets you room for a puffy layer.

Oh crap! Looks like they stopped chambering all rifle lines for 450. Go on Gunbroker and get you one fast before they are gone or get over priced.

@@jimmytimeoutdoorz4907 yeah thanks. I was mostly curious about price and passing on what I saw. I have one of a more budget friendly option

Valo would be my choice if I had to choose one. Verde works very well in the early season. In the later part of the season when there are no leaves I feel that verde is a little dark. The softer tones of the Valo realy blend well while in a tree and on the ground. Hope this helps👍🏼 thanks for the sub

I’m getting ready to upload the Encounter vid today. I had high expectations but it’s the first line that’s let me down. I’ll look up your channel. Thanks for the comment.

Valo is my choice. Verde is great for early season but when the leaves drop I think it’s a little dark. The Valo is subtle and blends better while in the tree. I’ll have a vid on the Encouter line very soon. Wait to make a purchase till you see it.

Will do! Thank for your interest👍🏼

I’m planning an up coming video on this very subject. In my opinion the encounter line is a little disappointing. I’ve read some reviews where guys were very impressed with the warmth. I was not really happy with the warmth factor. It is supposed to be an outer soft shell layer. I found it to have absolutely no wind blocked ability. The only thing redeeming is the quietness, pocket lay out and the treestand harness port. Now for the guide. Good garments for hunting without a treestand harness. I’ve had guide and axis hybrid and with the water proofing I just go with the axis. Hope this helps.

@@jimmytimeoutdoorz4907 Very much, thank you.

Really? For a few hour hunt they hold up for me. Haven’t really needed them to dry quickly without the use of a clothes drier. It’s nice they offer real rain gear. I’m fixin to do a vid on the Encounter line. That line is a disappointment to me.

I have this set also and love it for wet weather. No issues in the rain or snow with water getting through and it didn’t take long to dry out.

Does the axis keep warm in like 40 degrees with just a tshirt ?

I’m 5’8” and 150lbs. In kuiu I normally wear large outer layers, and medium for most base and base layers. 34 for pants to be layered under and 32 if no layers.

I didn’t get to. Had an emergency at home and had to leave early. Really it’s all about the experience. Thanks for watching!

I do tend to plan for worst case. I tend to sit all day during Nov and I go early in the late season. I find the warmer I am the longer I sit. I’m sitting in a tree right now. I didn’t take my encounter jacket with me…sun is out and seemed warm. This wind is not kind.

@@jimmytimeoutdoorz4907 thanks but comment replies can wait until you’re finished hunting.🍀 🦌 💥

I had an ultra jacket and was very amazed at how warm it really was. I only switched to the LT for the hood and they were switch from ultra to LT at the time.

The range of motion is very good. I can lift my arms without the bottom of the jacket lifting. Mine is a medium which is my actual size. Can layer beneath and it fits under my large proximity and peloton 240 jackets. It’s warm! As long as you’ve got an outer layer to keep the briers off it I’d say it should work for you.

@@jimmytimeoutdoorz4907 Thanks. Your review was very helpful. Happy hunting!

Thank you and the same to you!

@@jimmytimeoutdoorz4907 My Kuiu super down LT jacket arrived this morning. This is going to work perfect with my outer shell jacket. Warm but not bulky. Thanks again.

Two totally different uses. The Prox is a wind proof outer layer….the Kenai is a mid layer and super delicate. In super cold temps you would layer a Kenai under the Prox jacket.

Sorry for the delay. You are correct about the sizing. I’ve been wearing the encounter with layers during this current cold snap. To be honest, it’s not as warm or wind resistant as I had hoped. I hope they update it next year. Maybe I should sent them a hint…wind proofing and maybe some water proof layers. Similar to the axis hybrid.

The mag is stamped 308 in the Mesa. I’ve got a Rem clone custom build that the Mesa fits directly into. Except, the bottom metal that came with Mesa is a different thickness then the one bought with the Terminus action. So the action beds very nice but to use the stock I would have to use the bottom metal from the Terminus action and not the CA to make that all work. I hope this all helps. Thanks for the comment and if you have any further questions just hit me up.

I’m currently in upstate NY. I’m up for early muzzleloader around Wells. Glad you liked the vid…watch out for more to come!

Thanks for the comment. I’ve got more of these kinda vids to follow. I’m heading to up state NY tomorrow. I did a vid on my Kuiu layering system for mid Oct in the mountains. I’ll get that out with the vid of the hunt in a week. Thanks again!

I did a ton of work in the hottest months of this summer and they were awesome. Not briar proof but way more comfortable than heavy jeans or bibs.

They seem to have a fairly tight weave. I would be confident that if you are walking in and out to hunt they are fine. If you are recovering a deer a couple times a year they should last. But if you were driving deer they would prolly get torn up. Hope this helps.

You are absolutely right. Thank you so much for the hint. I’ll step it up👍🏼

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I’m very sorry to leave you hanging. These vids are new to me and I should really be a little more organized. I will for sure put links in the description. Thank you

How do you bye one

That’s awesome! The Kenai is a warm piece for sure. That sounds like a great set and I would bet it will get you very late in the season. Where are you located?

Southwestern Ontario Canada. I pair it with the encounter pants as my legs do not get as cold, but I also ordered the proximity bibs.

I have the encounter pants also. I didn’t get the proximity pants because we have too many burrs and things here in Ohio. I plan to layer under my Axis Hybrid pants.

It’s all about layers and a good plan. I hunt the Adirondacks so I get the temp swings. I plan on doing a layering vid soon. Basically you know you will always need a base layer. Then any system should have a mid insulation layer. The next mid layer would be a puffy layer of some material. Last would be a shel that is appropriate to your weather patterns. If you get the right items in your kit you’ll have the ability to wear all the items at some point during the season. Kuiu is pretty good about providing enough info and clothing line options. Go through their webpage and do some home work and build a kit that suit early to late season. I’ll get that layering vid out soon. Thanks for watching!

Oh good deal Adirondacks aren’t far from me. I just ordered the encounter jacket and pants along with strong fleece 235 and attack pants we will see where that gets me as I already have base layers. It’s hard to tell the thickness or bulkiness of any of there clothes with the pictures provided. Thanks for the videos as you give more detail then any other videos I’ve found 👍

I tend to spend a lot of time in between Gambier and Howard. Sometimes wading and sometimes in the yak. I do have some permissions for skinnier stretches but I try to keep that private land on the DL. Any questions about the Gam to How stretch just ask👍🏼

Glad you like the vids!!! That’s why I do this…don’t need to be famous but I like being of service. My opinion is that if you primarily hunter deer from a stand, the encounter jacket is perfect for that. The peloton 240 will layer up good under it for added warmth. Now… as for the guide. If you were looking for a more weather resistant outer shell. The axis hybrid is hands down the jacket to go with. I’m not sure really why Kuiu continues the guide line. As for size, I’d start by looking at XXL. Kuiu clothes are better slightly larger than fitting perfectly. Thanks again and watch for more new content!

Thank you, good sir! You’re welcome on my podcast anytime. Whited Outdoors: The Lodge.

I would love to be on a podcast! I’m fixin to do a info back ground vid on me/channel. I’ve got a college back ground in wildlife management, ecology, and forestry. I was also an infantryman in the army for 14yrs. I’ve got lots of tactics that cross over to hunting very effectively. Just hit me up when ever👍🏼

In total honesty the fanatic jacket is by for the warmer of the two jackets. I was never cold wearing the fanatic. My only reason for switching it up was it’s too warm. I prolly wore it a couple times a year. The idea with going with kuiu is all the layers added up can/should equal the Sitka and all those layers can be worn at other times. But if you want warm…the fanatic might be the warmest jacket for bow hunting or short range gun hunting. (I’m sure the super down pro or the gale force jacket are as warm but noisy for treestand sitting). Hope this helps.

@@jimmytimeoutdoorz4907 Thanks! That helps! Come late season where I am it’s very typical to start the mornings in the low 20’s with 10-20 mph wind and it never really improve from that. In recent years I’ve been thinking about getting as warm as I can. Thanks again!

Sitka fanatic is in its own category. Kuiu proxymity is in the same category as the Sitka stratus

@@vincentthegreat82 great point! …spot on👍🏼

If you want warmth, the sitka fanatic is the best option for you. It is heavier than the kuiu proxymity. With a couple of layers underneath the fanatic, you will be toasty

I really came close to getting the best too. It seems like it’s going to be great!