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i dunno, i find the idea of an unknowable sungod that was worshipped by people who had to flee the surface, into the underdark, for such a long time that they simply forgot about the sun, a quite amazing piece of worldbuilding. especially if those people themself are no longer around due to the other inhabitands there.

Thanks! I grew up with the german fairy tale version of kobolds and when i started to read 'dragons of stormwreck isle', i was so confused about them

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, BABY!!!

Something I keep in mind is that just because all they care about death and suffering does not make them STUPID. They are chaotic, not mindless. As intelligent as any devil, but they don't want power. They want YOU, specifically, to suffer agony beyond mortal comprehension. And they know many creative ways to break you. "It's fine. The minute the demon walks through that gate, we blast him with our Divinely blessed crossbow bolt of Abyysalba... wait, hold your fire! That's my daughter! Honey what are you doing here? Why are your eyes glowing? What's that crawling out of your- OH GOD, NO!!!!"

I didn't know about the lore behind alignment, was fun

Jergal is Withers.

If you think you understand the Far Realms you don't :D

Idk it kinda feels like a forgotten Yuan-Ti naga god to me, you know? The snake mandibles, the four arms, their lower body might've well been a snake. I don't think it's Bone Daddy simply because sun motiff is not really associated with death at all, except maybe in that it's associated with life and death is the end of it, but sun is more of the actually living part of the equation.

One thing that threw me off from the whole devil and demon dynamic at odds with each other because of the law/chaos access is the fact that evil gods of lawful and chaotic alignments would work together and also exist in the same plane and court of the gods. The goblin gods for example. As soon as you get the fiends all collected into the same place with similar goals the line between devils and demons blurs. Like you would look at a Hobgoblin and Bugbear, both fulfill a purpose one lawful one chaotic and have the same goals. Since demons and devils are harder to pin down in there uniqueness, to the players their Identity is lost. Any player that has not read the monsters manual will not be able to tell the difference between a Balor and a Pit Fiend. I found it best to mold fiends after identifiable concepts. like the seven deadly sins. Wrath would cover your concept of a "demon", but breaking free of the two tiers system of demons and devils you can create new monsters around entirely new themes without ever being limited to force your creation into a specific mold. IE my players are currently fighting the forces of Gluttony fat fiends that want to devour everything. they have lawful and chaotic versions, some are trying to make deals with the party and npc's in the world. Others are rampaging engines of destruction set to devour everything in their path. My players that know of the demon and devil divide wont find this strange at all because I linked all these monsters under the same banner. But if I was using. Pit Fiends to make deals and Hezrou or Mariltihs to cause rampant destruction, my more astute players would find that odd as devils and demons would be working together.

When it comes to how you want to fix demons I like where you head is at but I feel you shouldn't have them cause effects like you say unless they are insanely powerful named demons. I think a better way to do it is when demons show up the material realm gets a little more like the abyss. the abyss is what shaped demons into what they are so it wouldn't make much sense if they cause effects you can't find in the abyss. maybe where they step the rocks and plants get a little bit spiker or more wicked looking. some of the effects you described seemed more like Proteans from the maelstrom. absolutely do not do the misfiring spell effects as that is what spell resistance is the moment you add that you upset every caster at your table as you completely change the strength of the encounter.

Hmmm skull floating in the Astral Plane. It’s Myrkul. 100% Myrkul. Iykyk

Love your insight. I had a campaign idea that involved a demonic invasion. Now I know how to make the demons interesting, and more align to my stile of DMing.

I think it could Gith

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It's either one of the 170 other past Vlaakiths, or its the dead body of Mother Gith - Hence why Orpheus is imprisoned there. Absolutely definitive evidence is - Vlaakiths crown shares an identical shape, except its missing the interior webbing of the giant skull - The Unity that Gith truly had, and that Vlaakith lacks. The skull is that of a Githyanki - the Teeth, nasal structure, and elongated facial features are a dead giveaway. The jawbone is merely split, as the ribs seem to have been burst open. Orpheus believes Vlaakith knowingly sent Gith to her death at the hands of Tiamat , as that was the deal Vlaakith brokered for the allegence of the red Dragons.

Oh, that's the remnants of BioWare

How about Aoskar? He was a god of portals who attempted to lay claim to Sigil, the city of portals and doors. The ruler of Sigil, the Lady of Pain, killed Aoskar and threw his corpse into the Astral plane as a warning to other gods. We have no clue what he looked like.

Narratively it makes the most sense to be a god worshipped by the old unified Gith before their enslavement at the hands of the illithid empire. Centuries of mind control of an entire people seem like exactly what is needed to truly kill a god

Wait, is he seeing the nostrils as eye?? Or are there more eye holes I'm not seeing?

So I think, actually, that this is a specific god, and that it's Myrkul, and this is Larian making an explicit visual reference to the predecessor game Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer. In MOTB, the player character goes into the Astral Plane to talk to Myrkul and (spoilers) discovers that Mykrul planted a failsafe in Faerun so if he "died" he could still scrape his way back. The positioning of dead god Myrkul in the astral plane of MOTB is almost exactly the same as this dead guy in BG3. Stashing Orpheus on a dead god's corpse adds another level of protection. Myrkul isn't back up to full power of even a demigod or demipower yet, though he can grant powers to his chosen, and he can certainly protect his bones from being kicked by the githyanki monks. Google "Myrkul Mask of the Betrayer," it's clearly at least a visual reference

The whole point of a dead god is that they’ve lost all their believers. So there is no memory that could exist.

Me at the start of the video (as a joke): “Watch it be Jergal” Later: …

Maybe it's the Dark Urges father or mother, the creature Dark Urge's can turn into has four arms and a split jaw? Or the Dark Urge himself, his original body or something! So I Think Bhaal makes the most sense, or maybe even Bhaal's father!

I am pretty sure the story says it's Prince Orpheus!

That’s just like an astral plane thing right? Like there r just god husks floating around? Ik bg3 isn’t a direct dnd correlation but still

Thank you for the interesting video!

Just unlocked memories of reading one of my 2 "Dragon" magazines with a section about exploring dead gods, the enemies there, and the loot. For high level characters of course.

Its a Humanoid God it represents a mythical "real" ozymandias through visual storytelling that even Magical Gods die because of Chronos and Chaos

Thats Lord Godwyn the Golden

Crazy idea. What if this is the remains of Mystra back before we see her in BG3? The Astral Plane is a place where dead gods show up and the items found are infused with the weave energy. The iconography could also tie to how Mystra is connected to all aspects of magic, be it light and dark. Sun and Star. And the one god we know to have died and talked about explicitly in BG3 is Mystra when talking to Gale. Mystra is a shape shifter also, so perhaps this skeletal remains is what she looked like when she died. Idk, as I said crazy idea.

Its a old dead vlaketh

My personal theory is that this dead god might be a reference to Aoskar, the god of portals, in Planescape it says that he tried to wrest control of Sigil, the city of doors, but the Lady of Pain killed him and threw his giant body in the astral sea, he's the only dead god that i know of who's dead body ended up on the astral sea, this would also explain some simbols on the body, they might be portals instead of suns.

I'm not really an expert on Githyanki history, but I always assumed it was Mother Gith

I'm fairly new to DnD and by far no expert in the lore. I did play BG1 & 2 and the Neverwinter Games, but that was ages ago... So, When playing BG3 my interpretation was always that this must be mother gith. The crown and jewellery look like a similar maybe preceding gith style. Especially compared to the crown that Vlaakith is wearing. I've read in the comments that Mother Gith supposed to have vanished and be most likely kept somewhere in the 9 hells, but it's not impossible she was killed by Tiamat and Vlaakith 1. I find it fits that the Astral Prism leads here, that Orpheus is kept here and that the ambient sounds tell of a violent death. The Gith have pointy teeth and a different skull to humans, afaik we don't know what Mother Gith looled like, but it's not impossible to have features that are a little different from modern day Gith'yanki. Who would've known of this God's place of death and why, and who imprisoned Orpheus? If Vlaakith and Tiamat killed (or plotted to kill) Mother Gith, Vlaakith 1 would've known where her body was and it would've been the perfect portrayal of dominance and victory over Orpheus to imprison him in his dead mother's skull. It just all makes so much sense to me! And I think if you're not too deep into the lore and can gather this from environmental storytelling and picking up the pieces during the story of the game, then this might be the intention the developers had. Just my 2 cents on this :) hope you find it interesting!

those aren't four eyes, those are two eyes and the nose hole separated visually by the vomer bone.

aren't the ambient violent sound effects just supposed to be githyanki in the distance fighting intellect devourers and trying to get to orpheus?

nothing about how the astral sea is always explained makes sense. how does one effect of time cease (growth, aging, etc) but other effects of time (moving around, taking actions, thinking, etc) don't? to me, it seems like it doesn't actually have anything to do with time.

@4:30 totally a Greatsword and not a 4 pointed star

The four arms and ornaments as well as the jaw make me think of a sahuagin

I see many people parroting each other and saying it's Mother Gith but it can't possibly be her. Mother Gith is in the Nine Hells with Tiamat. Also, she wasn't an actual god, her corpse wouldn't be in the Astral Plane.

It's literally Gales skeletal remains of his future Godly body. The symbols all point to him, the crown makes sense. And the four arms are his literal extensions of his being.

I think the its a part of the astral sea thats in a pocket dimension no? Thats why it can only be reached via the prism. My personal theory is that the original Gith ascended then went to tiamat with vlaakith to strike the deal and was killed im a coup by vlaakith and housed in the prism, thus when her aon orpheus rebelled she stuck him in his mums skull, after all his binds are infernal and tiamat is technically an arch devil

When I very first saw it I thought it might be Vlaakith's phylactery. I was not correct :(

It's only got two eyes dude. Those two small holes are the nostrils.

I believe I've seen a skull like this one in the thumbnail art for a Neverwinter campaign, might have nothing to do with one another but I think of it every time.

I thought it was gith

Since it's in an ancient githyanki relic it'd stand to reason it's a githyanki god. So that's most likely Gith.

I like too imagine that skull was the place that was once the home of the Elder Brain 🧠 at one point

Best setting.

You saw the sun and a storm on their jewelry, but it could be a star and a galaxy. So it could be an unknown god whose portfolio is the astral sea or the far realms, or even what ever lies beyond the far realms.