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the only tool that is currently available (as far as i know) is a text document where i can write down the inputs for every frame manually haha, its the bare minimum and super annoying to work with

+mkalpha_ If the Yuzu scripts play the inputs on a per-frame basis, there's a memory address for it. I'd recommend scanning 4 byte with Cheat Engine + speed hack and writing a python script to track it. There's likely also a byte memory address which is 1 when a map is loaded and 0 when a map isn't loaded (menus, loading screen, etc). There's a module called VGamepad which can play controller inputs.

These strats are already used!

Dont think so

I just wondering due to the amount of turning. If we can get a pace break and the right alignment. You seem like the expert here

@@fatdinosaurfood8059 I mean, you have to turn that much in order to hit all the boost panels :/

@@mkalpha_ aren’t they all times tho

@@fatdinosaurfood8059 not sure what you mean by that

Hey, sorry but I'm not planning to play this track anytime soon! Also, the failed trick didn't lose any time because you get a wave trick immediately after :) And awesome, good job!

@@mkalpha_ohhh sad

depends on how you format the splits in the splits editor in this program called livesplit i recommend you to check out a tutorial on youtube, its pretty simple

nope

@@mkalpha_ Really? I thought I saw one, but now I can't find it and I'm not sure anymore

​@@mkalpha_ Either way, people said that sub 5 min was impossible for the original Super Mario Bros, and now it's been shaved down to 55 seconds

I'm pretty sure if there was undiscovered stuff, we would've found it by now. A lot of people are desperate to see a sub-1 being in the realm of possibility so this track is being squeezed very hard, until it is bone dry.

Yes, soon!

@@mkalpha_ let’s go I’m so excited

Driving on the rail isn't possible unfortunately, and getting an extra coin isn't worth it either, you would have to waste too much time on the coin panel and you just dont make up the lost time until the end of section 1. We are pretty certain this is the best possible combo, and if there is something slightly faster (which is highly unlikely), it wouldn't be by more than a frame or two. TASing the game though.. not sure, the first few TASes in this game were made just a few weeks ago, however it is unlikely we will see a TAS for a full run anytime soon, especially on a track as complicated as Big Blue. Pretty sure TAS wouldn't be able to get sub 1 either though I would love to say that Sub 1 is possible too, trust me, but as of right now, it's simply not. Sorry to say it :(

@@mkalpha_ Speedrunners have beaten portals without portals. Nicroveda has beaten mario odyssey in under an hour after saying himself that it wasn't possible. Some others beat every single Elden ring and dark souls games damageless in a 19 hours run, after years of struggling. Mario bros speedrunners got as fast as the TAS speedrun of their game. Branden beat Trials of death after 7 years and 4500 hours of daily tryharding. Sub 1 minute might be impossible with the current techniques and knowledge of the game, but I can promise you that in a few month or years, if speedrunners don't give up, new routing and improvements will be done, and this 1 minute barrier will, in someway, happen to fall. That's what speedrunners always do, they always prove the impossible to be possible. It's only a matter of time.

I'm sorry but I think you have been watching too many Summoning Salt videos lol A Big Blue Time Trial isn't comparable with e.g. a Super Mario Odyssey speedrun, just compare the length, tricks, level of optimization of both of them.. Look at the amount of time that has been saved on the Big Blue WR in the past couple of months and years, it's not even remotely comparable to a full game run or whatever And things like Trials of Death were never actually "impossible". Beating games damageless isn't "impossible" either. Are they incredible hard? Absolutely. But there is a difference between incredibly hard and just impossible. Look at the 100m Sprint for example. Will we ever see a Sub 9 there? No we won't, at least according to people that have done studies on it. Why? Cause it just isn't possible. Same reason we won't see a Sub 8, Sub 7, Sub 6, etc.. you gotta draw the line somewhere. Or let's compare it to SMB speedruns. Yes, people have matched the TAS. It's crazy. But does that mean we will see a 4:53? No, cause it's not possible. A Big Blue TAS wouldn't be able to get a 59, similar to how a SMB TAS wouldn't be able to get a 4:53. So why would we see a RTA 59 on Big Blue? The only way I could see a 59 happening is, as I said in the video, with the discovery of a new game- / trackbreaking strat. I doubt it will ever happen, but if it does, who knows what the potential is. What I'm trying to say though is that with our current knowledge and strats, a 59 just isn't gonna happen. Sorry man

@@mkalpha_ I don't watch summoning salt, and the examples I exposed are not the proof that sub 1 is possible, it's the proof that hundreds of thousands of trials, years of failing and learning, really often happen to give results. And to respond to the example you exposed, about 4:53 not being possible in SMB, it actually is possible, since a few month, and if you asked any pro smb speedrunner, back in 2023, if 4:53 was possible, they would tell you that no, 4:53 was absolutely impossible, and you can't deny that. But maybe you're right since the beginning, maybe sub 1 minute will never happen, but only time can tell, and I am 100 % sure that people will keep playing mk8dx for years and years, letting a lot of room for improvement.

I mean yeah in the end it's impossible to predict what will happen in the future.. I do think there will be improvements made on Big Blue, I just doubt it will be enough to shave off the required time to grant a Sub 1. Would love to be proven wrong though Once there will be a finished TAS of Big Blue, I think it will be a lot clearer where the true limit of this track with our current knowledge roughly lays. Until then, we can only speculate And I didn't know about that SMB thing, my bad

yes indeed! hmmm... we will see!

I wrote down every input for every frame manually and then played it back :)

Understandable, I guess we just gotta see this as motivation to get as close to it as possible! :D Thank you! I took a break from MK for a little bit so that's why I didn't post in a long time. Now that I'm back, there should be something coming soon! ^^

@@mkalpha_YEAH! Tbh I’ve taken a break from mk8dx for a while as well because my progression on n64 rainbow road 200cc has stunted I’m only 1.3 seconds off of the world record , and I really want to put up a fight with quartz but his time is stupidly optimised

The TAS was made on yuzu yes

He made the first TAS in this game. I made the first TAS which focuses on normal Time Trials. Not trying to discredit him in any way, just trying to say that this is the first TAS about forward driving instead of backwards driving