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@@asianpablo1574 they were simply so fire that you got burned 🔥

I’ll say it. Boss fights were never good in other Paper Mario games. Every boss in the first two games can be beaten with no items and only basic attacks. Furthermore, most of them are defeated in 10 turns or less. The only reason battles last more than a minute is because you spend significantly more time scrolling through menus and waiting for animations/cutscenes. It’s just tedious. In Super Paper Mario, after spending some time to prepare for battle, the rest of the time is spent fighting. If Super Paper Mario forced the player to enter the menu and pick a character every time you wanted to use their move, the bosses would also be ten times longer. It sounds like you never talked to any of the NPCs after you first met them. All the NPCs in Super Paper Mario have unique stories and new dialogue every chapter. I found most unimportant NPCs in older games start repeating the same lines of dialogue once the chapter ends.

⁠@@kumaranrvn5716 Okay, first paragraph response: Just because the bosses in the first two games could be beat with basic actions doesn’t make SPM any better. The fact that you’re forced into using just basic actions in SPM aside from Bowser’s broken fire and don’t really have any option at all on how to approach bosses aside from the singular path the devs chose makes the boss fights in SPM just as bad as the boss fights in Sticker Star and Color Splash. Mario and Luigi does have a better track record for boss fights than Paper Mario, though. Second paragraph response: Bosses being short isn’t a good thing. Sure, being extremely long like Elder Princess Shroob in M&L: Partners in Time is not good either, but a short fight can very much take away from the atmosphere of a moment, like with Dimentio and Bleck, who would both be much better if they actually had good fairly long fights. Dimentio is better than Olly in personality and plot, but Olly is better than Dimentio in terms of the actual fights. Third paragraph response: Okay? That doesn’t remove the problem. The only areas in game with Dialogue that changes after every story event are Flipside and Flopside. While this applies to TTYD as well with Rogueport, it’s nowhere near as bad since area NPC’s do get quite a few changes during their chapter (like with Glitzville and The Excess Express). You’re telling me a random boring looking Flipside civilian complaining about nothing is more interesting than the Goomba hit man in TTYD? The newer games while having bland characters at least aren’t trying to tell a story about everything in the universe dying. When I think of a good doomsday narrative in a game, I think of Majora’s Mask because every NPC has a story that occurs during the cycle and you start to care for quite a few of them, and want them to continue living. I don’t think SPM is a good doomsday narrative because you barely meet anyone in each chapter that you can actually care for.

@@MySnugglePuppy If I can beat the game with only basic attacks, then there is no thought required for bosses. You can spam the same two basic attacks for the whole game, which have the exact same buttons and timing for all enemies. Still, saying that a turn-based RPG, a game where you’re forced to get attacked, is harder than an action RPG isn’t saying much. When comparing older Paper Mario to other turn-based RPG, they lack any challenge I would expect and don’t require any strategy or skill. I wouldn’t call them balanced either. Badges are either extremely contextual or always worth equipping, there is no in between. In the first game, Watt is the only partner I used in normal battles and most bosses because he ignores defense. In Thousand Year Door, later partners are better than earlier ones in nearly every way, which is better than the first game but still not balanced. Since Super Paper Mario battles are real time, there’s more things to worry about than simply how much damage you deal. You can use Mario to flip and avoid enemies or find their hit box/weakness. Peach has more control in the air and can block against all damage. Bowser can deal more damage, but is slower and has a bigger hit box, so you likely take more damage. Luigi can also deal more damage to enemies that are above you, and has a small hit box. Super Paper Mario is easy because you can grind and become overleveled much faster. The older games were always easy regardless of your level. Even when you oversimplify chapter 1 of Super Paper Mario, Thousand Year Door doesn’t sound much better. In Super Paper Mario, you start off visiting Bestovious to learn the technique of flipping between dimensions. After traversing Mount Lineland, Mario arrives at Yold Town, which is where the Tribe of Ancients settled and their descendants live in the town. There, you discover one of the Pixls. Old Man Watchitt tells them to cross the Yold Dessert to find the ruins where the Pure Heart is. On the way, you confront and defeat O’Chunks. After finishing the Ruins, you have an interaction with Fracktail and Dimentio. Finally, you meet Merlumina for the Pure Heart, who is said to have created Flipside. The story proceeds to Castle Bleck for an intermission. That last point is wrong. All the NPCs in chapters 1-5 of Super Paper Mario also have new dialogue after every chapter. For example, in chapter 1, we learn that Bestovious is the cousin of Watchitt. Bestovious outshined Watchitt in everything. As a result, he was supposed to be the next mayor. However, Bestovious left the town to pursue his own dreams, and Watchitt was stuck being mayor. The two never talked for a long time. But after learning about some of their older memories throughout the game, they decide to go meet each other. In addition, Red and Green learn to put aside their differences, Bozzo is learning how to be the new mayor, and the other NPCs tell you how the town was built. Nobody mentions anything about the Void until the end of the game. Flipside/Flopside have the most interesting NPCs in the series because of how their opinions and personalities oppose each other’s version. m.th-cam.com/video/iuVgPMLbCs0/w-d-xo.html&pp=iAQB On the other hand, Koops has some minor character growth, despite not doing anything other than tagging along with Mario. Once the chapter ends, his story is over, except for a single cutscene at the end of the game. As for the other NPCs, they repeat the same dialogue for the rest of the game, which makes the town feel hollow and forgettable. There are a few new Troubles, but that’s about it.

⁠​⁠​⁠@@kumaranrvn5716 I’m not ignoring the problems with the older games. TTYD has a frankly boring combat system, but it’s better than this. You act like strategy is required for SPM boss fights with which character you use, but we all know any casual player will just use Bowser because he’s broken. If you’re planning on bringing up how you can challenge yourself by not using Bowser, keep in mind you can challenge yourself in TTYD by only leveling up specific stats, and it’s frankly more challenging. I will admit I was wrong about the dialogue changes in SPM, but Flipside and Flopside do not have the most interesting NPCs in the series. Most have designs that rival the modern Toads in terms of blandness, and though the concept of reverse personalities is cool, they really don’t do much with it. Why is Nolrem just another Merlon personality-wise? Shouldn’t he be a moron as a mirror to Merlon’s smarts? The chefs are both just less interesting versions of the chefs from the first two games, and they even have essentially the same personalities. I will admit SPM’s first chapter is more interesting than I gave it credit for, but it still isn’t that good. The later chapters in TTYD and 64 still decimate the later chapters in SPM. You complain about Koops’ arc ending quickly, but at least he has an arc at all. You can’t even say that about the Pixls. I will now bring up some of the bad parts of SPM to prove that it isn’t that good: - The entirety of world four, five, and seven are awful to play. The only redeeming parts are the narrative, except for seven’s case because Luvbi’s sacrifice ultimately doesn’t matter since she’s revived. - The pits of 100 trials in SPM are horrendously bad, but you probably already know that. - Navigating Flipside and Flopside is a nightmare, even if you manage to pay the shortcut guy. The heart pillars serve no purpose other than padding. - Sammer’s Kingdom loses its excuse to be tedious in the postgame. - Most level environments in the first five worlds of the game are bland and uninspired, though not as much as Sticker Star. - There are basically no partners, and the characters we do have are: Mario, the guy with no personality. Peach, the character who was perfected in TTYD. Bowser, who’s admittedly great here as he is in most RPGs. And Luigi, the guy who’s more interesting when you don’t play as him and you only play as him for seven levels in the main story. Tippi is pretty good, but even then all she does in gameplay is tattle the enemies. TTYD has a ton of flaws as well, but fixing them wouldn’t involve drastically changing the game, as we see with the remake. SPM’s flaws would require a complete shift in gameplay focus. I’ve also got to be honest here: No Paper Mario game has good combat. At best the combat is boringly repetitive, and at worst it’s completely pointless. If you want good Mario RPG gameplay, go play Mario & Luigi.

@@MySnugglePuppy You act like every casual player knows how to use Bowser efficiently, when they don’t. Bowser is used efficiently on less than half the bosses: mostly just O’Chunks and Super Dimentio. Bowser is completely useless against Brobot and Bonechill, and casual players take a lot of damage when using him for King Croacus, Mimi Chapter 6, and Count Bleck. I don’t see how leveling specific stats would make a difference since I never had to use FP or BP to beat the game, just basic attacks. At that point, I would try to not level up at all, which is something you could do in Super Paper Mario. I just disagree on the NPCs. I find them a lot more interesting than taking generic Mario enemies, giving them a hat, and calling it an NPC. And no, Norlem is opposite to Merlon in that he descends from the Tribe of Darkness instead. Even though he helps the heroes, he is more pessimistic and believes the Dark Prognosticus truly is the right prophecy. At least Super Paper Mario has other playable characters, recurring villains, and NPCs with their own arcs. Partners are generally the only characters that have all plot relevance in older games, so forgettable partners means the entire chapter is forgettable. Disagree with most of these points. None of the chapters are as awful as the hallways and amount of backtracking in older games. Super Paper Mario has levels, which means a lot less backtracking and easier to keep track of where to go. You’re never required to go back to completed levels like Sticker Star either. Older games can make you backtrack across the entire chapter and even to previous chapters for story progression. Flipside Pit is definitely worth doing and is better than Thousand Year Door. Flopside Pit is bad only because you have to do it twice, but the reward is definitely worth it. You contradict yourself. The purpose of the heart pillars is so that players don’t get lost exploring the town. Every time you revisit Flipside, a new portion opens up using your new abilities. You start with two floors, then the bottom floors, then the outskirts, etc. Once you get to Flopside, the same thing happens. Flipside has much better pacing than all the other games, in which the entire hub world opens up very early in those games. You can fully explore the hub world at the start, so there’s no reason to ever revisit it. Just immediately start the next chapter. Sammer Kingdom is a post game challenge. I don’t see the issue with having extra content for people who want it. Chapter 1 is the only one that can be considered bland, combining grassland and desert into one chapter. A bog that leads into a mansion during sunset, a pixelated world, outer space (before Mario Galaxy, when space wasn’t overused), and prehistoric land/caverns. Meanwhile, the original Paper Mario has grasslands, desert, ghost house, forest/lava, and snow for most of the worlds. At least Mario is more expressive and you still get dialogue from Tippi instead. Peach is just as good here, and now isn’t limited to talking only during intermissions. Luigi basically takes the role of Peach in the older games, but is more relevant and you still get to play as him. I definitely think Thousand Year Door has some major flaws that would require a lot of rework. Considering that I only played the remake, I have no idea what major flaws were fixed from the original game. I do agree that the Mario and Luigi games do a much better job at capturing the Mario charm, and have unique mechanics for every game. Thousand Year Door combat was a near identical copy of the original Paper Mario, which already felt generic and mundane compared to other RPGs. At least Super Paper Mario innovated and went for an action RPG with a flipping mechanic, which resembles Mario games a lot better.

@@mrman2476 call him Homestuck the way he goes on an MS Paint Adventure

exactly, even with context it fails to meet the mark on what it was going for