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I learn to use track ball mouse with my left hand. So I can free my right hand for the Num pad. It is the perfect configuration for me. Track ball is much better than mouse as it stays in one place. And you get a more acurate mouse click, if you lift your finger away from the ball right before you click. Also, you can take advantage of the momentum of the track ball, give it a spin and slide the pointer across the screen. I figure thumball mouse is even better, but unfortunately, i haven't found a left hand model. Solved wrist, shoulder problem too.

ergonomic keybaord? why not Neo Ergo?

please sit quiet man. Watching the constant nervous tapping makes me want to jump out my skin. Great review though!

How does the ventilation feel underhand compared to the non-ventilated model? Is it more or less comfortable? I wanted to try the G2.0 for my mouse and a regular 2.0 for my keboard but im worried that it will annoy me having 2 different textured rests under my hands.

Thanks for your video, from Chile

That's a very detailed review. Good job

I didnt even need a day to get used to it, was like instant, great mouse

Yeah it's a problem in general the whole "moving the pain elsewhere" thing I found this with trackballs, I ended up with middle finger pain from the scroll-ring The Evoluent mice I think are the best verticals, this is because the thumb rests on a proper shelf, and you don't need thumb pressure to actuate the clicks, it's a big platform for your hand. It's worht a try, though eventually something will probably always hurt... 🤣

Non-techie but useful! I wore out my K860 and was wondering whether to just replace it - now I will. Re: habits - yep me too: I was reaching across before this keyboard; and the size of it means I use shortcuts more before reaching for my MX vertical mouse. Keyboard connects via bluetooth, cannot see the older logi receiver like MX vert mouse, but at least Logi options software shows them both and reveals this.

I am currently on MS Sculpt (my 2nd one), previously had 2x MS Natural Keyboard Elite (long discontinued). Good thing about Sculpt is separate numpad, which I just don’t use and don’t even know where I put it 😀My next is likely going to be fully split design.

Thanks for the video dude, super relatable and a nice entry level explanation for someone who's suffering from carpal

argonomics is all about personalization choose wisely

Have you tried the Logitech Lift? The slightly smaller size might help with the angle and pressure needed to press the buttons.

This is the white . Why cant i Find the Black oddssy . I am sure i bought the wrong . I am sad when i got it today actually . I was thinking it would be a lot better

It's interesting... My learning experience with Kinesis was kind of the opposite of yours. Now, keep in mind, I embarked on this journey back in 2001 or so (when I was 17 or 18) with a Kinesis Contoured Keyboard. But I remember it took me a week or so to get used to it. The odd thing is that: the ortholinear part? That came relatively quick. In fact, I never made the connection that it was due to it being ortholinear. I'd blamed the key wells, because it sometimes felt like my fingers would slip onto the wrong key. In hindsight, this was probably just the ortholinear factor. But those issues mostly cleared up in a couple of days. The part that took a week or so was actually the thumb clusters. Getting used to hitting backspace with my thumb, enter with my thumb, etc. That's what took me the longest.

Thank you for the good info.

did u find solution for the palm problem i have it too , i am wondering what to do , i got the k100 from corsair , and Glorioud model D, the k100 has angled mat , not sure its the best idea

Thanks for this. I have the K860 and was considering the Wave for the office... but it seems that it would be a downgrade and that's not what I want. Tbh, I think the split makes it much easier to type (if you're using all your fingers, not sure what the correct english term for that is), errors are literally out of reach ;-)

I had the Microsoft Sculpt years ago. I was a translator who typed all day, and liked the keyboard a lot. However, one day I accidentally broke the usb dongle. Microsoft support told me there was nothing they could do. I had to throw the keyboard away! I still see that as a really bad design choice. Moreover, the dongle was not one of those that became flush when inserted. It jutted out really badly, that's how I accidentally damaged it in the first place.

I would recommend the Lenovo Ergonomic Go Split Wireless Keyboard to anyone interested in an ergonomic keyboard. Been using that for over a year now and like it more than the MS Sculpt and other split ones that I tried out before settling on this one. Great review.

I was planning on buying one of these for my setup I’m in the process of building but didn’t know if it would be worth it, if you don’t like them, can I have one 😁😆. Damn, bro returned them 😭

This video just came up in my YT feed. I’ve been using Kinesis Advantage keyboards for about 15 years. The first one I tried was borrowed from a coworker and I was sold on it. Fortunately the company I was working for at the time bought one that I used for several years until I switched jobs and finally had to buy one for myself. After more than 10 years of reliable service, I was looking at replacing it. I wanted a full-split wireless keyboard and the only thing I could find that I would have considered using were Dactyl keyboards I would have needed to build myself. Then Kinesis announced the 360. I managed to get in on the pre-order and have been using it since it finally arrived after a 6 month delay from the original ship date. Yes, they are expensive, but they should last years; and compared to having wrist and hand pain that limit a software developer’s ability to work, the price is very reasonable.

To suggest an alternative: there are "true" split keyboards having two separate modules, one for each hand. Check out the ZSA Moonlander and the Kinesis Advantage360 keyboards. Such keyboards are ergonomically advantageous over unibody designs like those in this video in that the separation and splay of the two sides can be adjusted. Often the tenting angle can be adjusted as well. This goes a long way in achieving neutral wrist position and comfortable typing.

Thought it might be a good idea but this video has convinced me that it's a throw-away gimmick and not even that cheap.

Hey, this is terrific and I actually just received my RS PROPS costume yesterday. I’m curious because I haven’t opened the box yet that Jamesport Bell that you put on in the very beginning did that come in the box or did you have to purchase that yourself? And if you had to purchase it yourself, would you please drop a link to purchase it althoughI thought that everything came in the box but if you could do that for me, that would be awesome. Thank you very much! Great job!

So I am thinking about getting the OLED version, I do work from home but Ive read productivity on OLED’s is just a no no. Are their other Ultra Wide 49 inch monitors you recommend in 2024?

Your monitor is waaay too high. The top of your monitor should be at eye level, or lower.

The k860 made me type faster the flow of the finger to the keys was great! I’m tall for a girl so some keyboards can be small!! Thank you for this review

Not Oled or Neo but VA panel G9, right?

I'm looking at the K860 for work, but mouse shoulder is a big problem for me. Have you checked out any of the Perixx ergonomic keyboards that also have detached number pads?

great review. i like your style

Typing this comment with Microsoft Sculpt, and I used to own Microsoft Ergonomic Keyboard 4000, so let me tell you: these keyboards suck. . Background: I'm a translator. I type a lot, like many books a year a lot. One common fault I found with these 2 "ERGONOMIC" keyboards is that the keys are too large, too wide apart. And you have to move your wrist and your finger joints A LOT to reach them. After about an hour with this thing, I start to get wrist/joint pain. Oh, forgot to mention the wierd angle of your wrist. Da hell? Do I have to prop some pillows under my bum so my hands can properly align with the keyboard's inclination? . The best course of action is just to get yourself a good wrist rest and take a break regularly then any regular-shaped keyboard will not give you RSI. I'm currently using a Microsoft wireless combo keyboard. The keystroke gives a good feeling. The thing is durable as hell too! I tried using expensive mechanical keyboards and those damn things broke after a while: some keys stopped functioning, some keys doubled the stroke, etc. . The BEST keyboard for typing, from my experience, is the a-shaped keyboard. The buttons are of normal size. The keys aren't splited. So you don't have to move your wrist and joint too much. Combine that with a good wrist rest and you're good to go. Damn shame I can't get the one I want (A4Tech A-Shape Natural Keyboard) deliver to my country. . PS, coming here looking for a review on Logitech Wave, might get myself one.

Does anyone know when incase will release their version of the sculpt? I've been waiting for months now...

Me too! I set myself a 30min a day keybr session for two weeks and by the end of that I got feeling natural with it.

I bought two Microsoft 4000 about 5 years ago when they were still available. Never found anything better. One of them is pretty worn out now, hard to see the keys, typing almost totally by memory. Can't fathom what I'm going to do after these keyboards are gone. I have a couple of Logitech keyboards and a few others that I bought through the years but I'm not happy with them.

Is the K860 too wide? I have a pretty small built, and am more accustomed to 80% keyboards. Think the width of the K860 will initiate some mouse shoulder issues. Looking at the Wave but I don't think the curve is pronounced enough. Have heard of Keychron's Q8 but am unsure of how relevant it is for ergonomics.

Does it make much difference whether OLED or non-OLED for a gaming computer?

weird that your gateron browns arent so loud

The best ergonomic suggestion is to take breaks.

the monitor 👍 the wallpaper 💖💖💖💖💖

Sculpt is garbage. I had to purchase 3. Every time something broke. 1st one, dongle went bad. 2nd one, mouse went bad (you can only buy it as a set), 3rd one mouse windows button went bad via the PCB, so I had to frankenstein the two working mice.

Fist time going for an ergonomic keyboard. Thanks for the video, it helped a bit: I'll start with some cheap trial version and then would go for ERGO I guess

I feel like this keyboard would take me far too long to learn, though it is cool. Great video and i think the amount of words used was fair.

Do you have wrist tesonovytis or wrist popping when you rotate your wrists?

A tiny but great channel! Thanks bro

Damn that’s a lot of words for a neat device

Oh dang another video?! Yo this b FINNA! Liked AND Subscribed 😤

i just got mine today and it was nice to use at work but I think I regret not getting the one with the strap. Is the strap completely detachable?

Thanks for sharing! I was going to get the pink wave! Because it’s pink lol and also smaller but I think I may go for the K860. I just wish they had it in white. But ergo is more important to me than anything else. Update: I actually ended up getting the model K350 Logitech. My friend has two of them and she let me borrow one for a week and I truly have to say I loved it! Fits perfectly in my hand as I type. Thanks again for sharing!

Thank you so much. @Samsung should hire you to write a user-friendly manual. I learned more in this video than anywhere else I've been online.