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I don't know, I very much disagree? I don't see how Vriska as a character can't both have done something wrong, along with those actions still being explainable and sympathetic to an extent. I think, first of all, that your perspective on Vriska's need to kill innocents is incredibly strange. In many cases, claiming that "[you] had to do it in order to avoid being killed" is an incredibly weak defense. Additionally, framing the Flarping troll kids as "fucks" who "signed up to die" is incredibly ignorant, I have to say. Troll society is presented as harsh or whatever, but everyone on Alternia are literal children. Same goes for Vriska of course, but I think justifying the murder and mutilation of kids just because they "knew what they singed up for" is just so ignorant - after watching your classpect video, I'm incredibly surprised to hear this. These kids likely don't know what they signed up for, and given the inequality of the hemospectrum, Vriska is literally murdering at least hundreds of people who are less financially, socially, and physically weaker than her. When faced with cruelty, I really don't think it's at all acceptable to go along with it just because it's the easiest way out of a shitty situation. Also Kate Mitchell is not a very smart or nice person!

after much thought I have come to the conclusion that the single most overpowered classpect combination is heir of hope. it is literally the deus ex machina, mary sue, protagonist andy classpect. heir is the prodigious main character class, they are naturally good at their aspect and are aided by it in early stages of the game even before becoming a god tier. hope is the friendship is magic aspect. so an heir of hope player would be the crying dickhead that talks the villain out of being evil and convinces them to instead work in retail. great video btw.

Looks like youtube is pushing this out to people again? Maybe I *should* pick homestuck back up, it's been a good few years and I've forgotten most things up to where I left off, I'm pretty sure I'll like it even more having more media literacy now than before discussing and thinking over classpecting this hard is actually super cool, good work

gotta say. genuinely eye-opening i know i may have had my mind changed when i reread the comic (which i plan on doing soon anyway), but having this analysis to guide me instead of the fandom's prejudice is making me reevaluate and appreciate her a _lot_ more already so yeah, thanks for that! great job honestly

i'd like to ask: what about a rage player, essentially, becoming "impotent"? one where they can't find the direction to orient towards and thus can't "start the crusade" so to speak or one where they've been stuck in high-intensity mode for so long but with so little return that there's little to nothing for them to dredge up. i understand if i'm misconnecting dots, explaining the thought poorly, or if it's something that doesn't really work in the frame-work [such as if it means the person would instead, even if temporarily, role-play a different aspect] ... note of clarity because i'm paranoid: "can't find the direction" as in they're having trouble finding the right place to start dismantling the problem or being unable to articulate what the problem is exactly rather then not finding a problem at all Warning for this paragraph:: Explanation of curiosity paired with personal mindset/experience. Nothing explicit. Nothing too bad was done but the school system has failed me at parts:: this thought started because rage keeps drawing me in some ways, but also i'm... painfully passive by this point. i have long had it drilled in that 'rampages', screeches of pain or fear or anger [even when fully justified], and even the act of bearing teeth let alone outright lashing out are all "wrong" and "never to be done" so...

for the issue of some classes supposedly being gender-coded; we have to take into account the character that said that is alien enough that their concept of "girl" and "boy" might be skewed. i've leaned towards thinking that it's not that certain classes are gender-coded, but that certain characteristics where accidentally misconstrued as gender-expression [on top of the character only knowing of our canon cast, which would reinforce this misconception] // good video so far just needed to throw this thought out there

Yes YESSSS I'm getting the popcorn

Could you talk a bit more about why uncle Iroh is a Mage of Breath? I'm definitely Breathbound, but can't be sure if I'm a Page or a Mage

I feel the excuse about her ableism to be a bit weak. Like it or not Hussie shaped Vriska’s character, and he passed on his ableist views. She acted and spoke in ableist ways, saying the reason she did this was because of the author doesn’t change the fact that she did them and it’s part of her character. Saying she wasn’t ableist and it was just the author projecting, doesn’t answer why she acted in that manner canonically. Say a not so honorable person makes a character, and they get self indulgent, making the character do horrible things like murder or whatever. The reason the author had them do that is irrelevant, the character still murdered people, you can’t just say “it was because of the authors own beliefs”.

I saw this video and discovered that I am a Prospit - Bard of Heart. Since I was little, I have always had unstable emotional tendencies towards myself, I always let myself get hurt and ignored my emotional situations. Although I understood that it hurt me, I never cared about it. My only goal in life has always been to have someone or people by my side, who I have always sought to help and see better. Saying more from the romantic emotional idea, even from my friendships. But, In many ways, this ended up affecting the lives of these people. Either negatively or positively, due to the way I see myself. But not in the way I see these people. I try my best for these people, to make them happy by simply loving them, understanding the ways they feel so that one day in life they can be better. And that they, eventually, will help me. But usually this just ends up as an illusion. Eventually, these people part ways with me, both because of complicated situations or because of Superficialities in causes. A superficial example would be me ruining a relationship, or me ending up tolerating all the abusive feelings and actions someone would have towards me. But complex examples would be relationships where both sides try to stick together, but it just becomes bad and it breaks down both of our mental health. So yea let's summon souls and destroy The enemies with this one 🔥🔥🔥

the classpecting system was my first dive into introspection, and the in depth yet subjective framework it provided was extremely helpful for my own self growth and identity development, as an autistic person who's horrifically out of touch with my emotions. it's still the framework i default to when analysing characters. really good essay, super insightful and well developed, presented and argued!

Watching your video for the second time this week, god I miss talking about Classpects! I'm absolutely a Page of Breath, though I subscribe more to the theory that Page is the Counterpart to the Knight (even to the point that the Page outfit resembles Robin's outfit to match the cape and cowl of the Knight) I would do ANYTHING for there to be an official explanation of Classes, just like they did for Aspects and I really wish people would talk more about it, it's probably my favorite part of Homestuck

i knew i was a space player (or space bound by your terminology) ever since the extended zodiac quiz came out and the description resonated really hard with me but i tended to jump between classes a lot, but when you started describing rogues something just clicked! for some reason i ad never considered rogue despite Roxy being my favorite character from HS so realizing i share a class with my fav feels really cool (even if it feels a little obvious in hindsight). Also a rogue of space sounds like they'd have cool abilities in sburb like stealing the distance between two things or something similar to that

i wish i were hopebound. im not hopebound.

Aaaaaaaah great vid, got my sub lol ::::)

I never really liked any of the quizzes that randomly gave you your classpect. This document was extremely well written and helpful! While i am still conflicted whether im breath or space-bound, this is the closest ive ever been in finding my aspect! Thank you :D

This is my favorite classpect analysis, nothing else comes close, or they just feel shallow compared. While I'm sure I am a Void-bound, I'm stuck between whether it's Maid or Seer. We'll see!

I think I disagree that the Lord/Muse are just meant to be power ups that don't say anything about their holders. They both only appear in dead sessions, but that's because the dead sessions are meant to be extremely distorted versions of the game for only one player. But if classes at least refer somewhat to the players' relationships with each other and the world around them, and promote self growth for better or for worse, then the Lord and Muse are pretty much the inversion and amplify their players' worst or most self-sacrificial traits to make them of use to the universe and the flow of paradox space in general (and win their session, which is an allegory for an isolated social life since the normal sessions are played by friend groups). Both Caliborn and alternate Calliope are somewhat dehumanized and presented as inherently immature within the text; Caliborn tries to appear human and engage in human activities, but comes off as a manchild, while Calliope accepts that she will never be anything resembling a human (or a troll, or anything else with a social life). By the time they reach their final form (Caliborn as LE and Calliope as the black hole) they are pretty much just a force of nature, unbelievably powerful and important for advancing the plot but incapable of being reasoned with or speaking much at all. In other words, the master classes can (but aren't always) the guy who locks himself away creating art to represent his warped feelings, or the guy who works overtime at the expense of his health or social life, or just the guy who makes a big sacrificial charge in battle. It's not exactly a positive class to be aligned with but it does mean you can do good things and will be revered, admired or feared by many.

Awhile ago, I tried poking you on Reddit, but you never got back to me there. In my defense, I forgot to check if you had a youtube channel - and if you did, it would be easy for my response to get lost in that. But hey. Here's to gambling. I like what you've got. I respect the work you put into cataloging it. And if I had run into it earlier, I think, most likely, I wouldn't have gone down the path I did - but, alas, this is not that timeline. I've written more than a few drafts of my own take on classpects, and I'd be interested to hear your word on it. I think you made it closer than most, but, maybe without meaning to. Depends how "There is no correct answer" should be taken, and what doubts you may have that it's all *just* flim flam and fun. Anyways, if this doesn't make it to you, then, in some nebulous vibe-y way, or just for posterity, I do wish you the best.

As a 25 year old man who has been invested in HS since I was 13, this still makes no sense. But hey at least maybe im a Time or Heart Bound. 💪🐴

I wish Vriska was real

thank u :)

I have no idea what is going on but yeah 👍

I put off watching this video for a long time because it was.... LONG... but it's really good and I'm glad I've watched it. I've watched and read a lot of classpecting theory, and I feel like I have an extremely good understanding of aspects, but I felt like my understanding of the classes was sort of incomplete. I was kinda stuck on the "for self/for others" thing, and having a hard time figuring out how classes could pair together in a way that makes sense. I feel like this video has given me a lot to work off of and I'll probably be coming back to reference it in the future. I do have one issue, though. Page of Rage for Shinji Ikari? I've classpected Eva characters in the past and I came to almost the same conclusions as you about Rei and Asuka (I had Maid of Heart and Thief of Light, respectively, though I think Knight does fit Rei better now), but I think Shinji is almost certainly a Page of Blood. His entire character is about his desire for connection with others and inability to express it, how he shuts out the world and disconnects from others instead of opening up to them, but in the end he realizes that connection with others is basically the most important thing ever forever. Anyway, because of that greivous error I am requesting a refund for this video, thanks. (thats a joke, if you do believe rage fits him better then i would like to know why)

I like your video and I find it very educational (and accurate because there is new information in the post cannon that maids are passive) but I feel like the class part of the video is very short and focuses to much on how they use their aspect than what their personality traits are. I’m trying to figure out my classpect and I know I’m a lightbound but the class I’m not really sure about. I have read more longer descriptions each class and I find it more helpful than the shorter version. I feel like you are the closest to the answer when it comes to classpecting but I think the shortness of the classes make it harder to tell which you are because the seer sounds like me a little but the longer version of it reveals to me that it’s not really me. Maids sound interesting but I don’t think is uncommon to love your aspect and they’re probably other classes that feel the same when it comes to their aspects

While I still believe that viewing myself as a Seer of Light would be a constructive framing of my personality, this treatise has me consider that I may play the role of a Prince of Void. That sounds quite edgy though, which I would rather not come across as. In struggling to convince people of things (theories, philosophies) I fail to meet the criteria of a well-realized Seer under your definition. Moreover, I even find myself butting heads with people over my extrapolations or conclusions in regard to jumping to conclusions from limited information. I can easily find myself more concerned with explaining my thoughts and finding the most precise language possible (eliminating ambiguity) rather than discovering new information, but nonetheless I think my penchant for information synthesis would still more readily make me Lightbound. I'll just have to keep it in mind, I suppose.

society is intellectually regressing

Oh hey! This is the document I've been using to help classpect my friends and various characters i enjoy! It may seem silly to some but realizing I was a Witch of Void was kind of a huge landmark for me in terms of self-actualization. I'm a person that struggles to understand myself and my patterns, and while this is just a simple hero title, I find it goes a lot deeper in the way that you chose to present them, patterns of behavior, what gets you out of bed in the morning, how you deal with challenges greater than yourself. Thank you for writing this, I will hold this document with me for the foreseeable future, even if I'm met with eyerolls I'll die on the hill of this being legitimately incredible

39:55 ... epithet erased mentioned?! Wait... if jello is a homestuck fan... and a homestuck classpecting video essay mentions epithet erased.... Mobius double reacharound.

This was an amazing listen! Got into Homestuck last 4/13 when my friends finally peer pressured me enough, and I've been hooked ever since. Still getting through the story, but all the class terminology was going over my head and I just needed something to make heads or tails of it all. That's when I saw your video. The first surprise was the sheer depth of it all. I still don't believe half of it was intentional, but the intricacy of patterns and symmetries that complement each other so perfectly, the classes and aspects that are so all encompassing but done in such unusual labels to create novelty, it's mind-blowing. Beyond the analysis, though, this outlook of classpecting turned out to be an unexpectedly useful tool of introspection. I followed the comments and tried to classpect myself. Space is easily my favorite aspect (which is probably because of ADHD :P), but I found myself resonating most with your description of Heart. This was confusing as it's probably the aspect I feel least confident about in real life contexts. This confusion came into clarity, however, when you brought up the Page. Despite my lack of confidence, I want to be better. I want to learn and grow. I've found this helpful. By framing it this way, I have abstracted the fear and anxiety. I feel it, but it becomes a challenge, and I understand deep down it must be overcome. The path of growth goes from overwhelming, nebulous infinity to a single name: Page of Heart. So what I mean to say is, thank you so much. I came for a needlessly complex dive into silly webcomic lore and came out with deep appreciation of these fantastical worlds and a way to structure thoughts I couldn't before even articulate. ❤

got into homestuck a couple of weeks ago and ngl classpec system is one of the best fictional mayers briggs type of classifications i have ever seen in media. once the subject was brough up in the story i really couldnt take my eyes off of it. thank you for your paper! i know hussie can be somewhat cynical of classpecs subject, but my god did they do really good job at giving just enough to speculate but not enough to have concrete answers. if my own fictional classificaion system would have been analyzed in a similar manner i would simply cry out of pure joy

47:56 Somehow I just Knew like 5 minutes into the video, “yeah, this person’s definitely listened to The Magnus Archives before.”

BROKE:Vriska did nothing wrong WOKE:Eridan did nothing wrong

Communists: "violence is when you teach kids how to behave."

im so glad that the algorithm recommended this to me when it did as ive been wanting to make a ttrpg based around spurb and the classpect system and this is by far the most ive agreed with a more "rigid" definition of the classpect system id also like to mention that as a rouge of blood i felt incredibly called out by the descriptors

Sans Undertale Doom-bound (this is a joke)

You know, I know it's very likely isn't the point you're going to make, but I just find it so incredibly weird that people constantly try to judge and measure Vriska up to the standards that they'd have for real life people. For one, she's a fictional character, but more than that, she's a fictional character in a piece of fiction that OPENLY FLAUNTS ITSELF AS A PIECE OF FICTION. Homestuck is a story about being trapped in a story, and Vriska is one of the few characters who is tragically perfectly okay with that fact. I feel like this understanding is crucial to why Vriska does what she does - she's Hussie's little plot device and sometimes it's like she knows it. Using the metric of "these are a list of things a moral _person_ does and does not do" is just.... not useful, and not comparable to Vriska. She stays trapped in the comic for a reason.

best kind of youtube content: nerd talking very passionate about some piece of media for around an hour

I absolutely love how in depth yet comprehensive this is. It totally solidified my class is Rogue, but now I'm conflicted. I always had it as Rogue of Time, but this is making me rethink my old aspect I got in the times of quizlets in 2015, Breath.... Breath really does fit me as a person, but Time is just so much cooler. But then also part of the things that makes Time seem cool is the freedom it could give me to move through Time, which is DEFINITELY a Breath mindset! 😭

I don't know what's with this video that makes me keep coming back to it. I always listen to this when ever I'm working or when I'm bored I just rewatch it in it's entirety. I guess this makes it easy to guess that I'm a light-bound. Anyway, thank you for making this and reigniting my hyperfixation on homestuck and classpecting again. -your friendly local Prospit Maid of Light

I always thought I was a knight or like, knight of rage or even light. Until I found your video and needless to say I'm not sure how I feel about being a Rogue Of Breath. It does fit me a lot though that's for sure. Thank you for this long but understandable and very good analysis of the classpect and aspect!

I run a classpect blog and whenever I need a boost I play this in the background

Well, after an incredibly long time of self-delusion i think this is the video to convince me that I'm not really the seer of heart that i always projected but am actually much more functionally bard of mind

I think a lot of the pushback about Vriska is just very immature people with low empathy and a deliberate refusal to understand Troll culture fundamentals vs Human culture. It's very clear that Tavros is willingly contributing to the toxic nature of his relationship with Vriska in a form of hopeful codependency. He continues to listen to her and engage with her from the lens of someone wanting a matespritship with someone else wanting a kismesis. It is very explicitly explained that these types of unbalanced relationships lead to unmitigated violence and eventually flat out murder. Which is precisely what happens when there is no longer anyone to auspisticize them directly. Anyone who actually read and understood the quadrants would've seen Tavros' death at her hands coming a million red miles away. He wouldn't let go of his unrequited flushed feelings for her, and to make it worse, his reason for doing it was selfish and disingenuous. For his own self-esteem's sake. The same as Vriska's reason for engaging in a one-sided kismesis with Tavros despite knowing its unrequited. Self-hatred and lack of control. These things they do aren't inherently malicious, but speaks to a needy immaturity that, to me, stems from the problems caused by troll culture as a whole and perhaps even the truth that trolls aren't actually that well suited to the society they've been placed in. It's something that happens in a lot of toxic relationships. Sometimes it's both parties' fault - one for lacking the will to stand up/advocate for themselves and the other for... in short having a control complex. These aren't personal moral failings, just things people get wrong sometimes, get hurt, and hopefully learn a lesson from. You have to kinda grow up more to really understand why Vriska, within the context of the narrative, did nothing wrong. Nothing she wasn't supposed to do. Nothing that wouldn't have made complete sense, given her circumstance. And that's the hardest part about empathy - looking within and being able to acknowledge the fact that you can never say for sure what you would do in someone else's situation because those experiences shaped them as easily and pervasively as they would shape you. That's a lot of what Homestuck is about and it surprises me so much that it goes over people's heads so easily.

I'm a Page of Light, myself, and I'm honestly comfortable with that title. Thank you for posting this, I will *totally* have fun Classpecting my favorite characters with it 🤩

Ah, just as I remember it. I went in this video expecting some new information and updated meanings ever since my time collecting data from both official and unofficial sources back in 2016 and while this definitely shines some light into things like the horizontal pairs I didn't know about, it's mostly the knowledge I had accumulated too, which is bitter-sweet since once again I feel confident in all of the shit I've told people over the years as some form of weird authority that basically self-proclaimed itself that but nothing has really moved since that place in time. I actually went back into my Homestuck folder (yes, that's a real thing on my computer) to find all the stuff I had piled up around god tiers and hero titles. Some of them have different interpretations of concepts like reverse pairs or altered versions of the aspect wheel, before we had anything official and people were speculating, and I honestly see some potentially still relevant connections that might make you think every aspect is closer to each other than you might think. I also don't know how much of all this is still around on the internet today as a lot of it comes from obscure tumblr blogs and what have you. Never was on there for the record, I just ended up on a lot of small pages due to this extensive research effort. Now personally (+ something which is unrelated to the matter at hand and holds on pretty loosely), I've started noticing a huge potential error in people's god tiers in regards to their frequency. Specifically, the god tier I've picked too, the Mage of Space. I've done a lot of on and off research over the years and recently I've started questioning why there are so many people claiming to be Mages of Space specifically including me, and it traces back to an infamous quiz hosted on a unique website, which I did twice again and gave me a Mage of Space. My theory is that due to the Mage class being very mysterious and vague on purpose on top of Space being known as the "cool" aspect that people can easily wrap their heads around (as well as Time), especially after Cascade, the quiz isn't balanced correctly and the Mage of Space title is much more easily dispensed as the answers you give are generally easily giving points to that specific combination. Why am I bothering with this? Diagnose your own selves people. I've grown up a lot since then and I've figured out that quizzes are for suckers. They don't work well and might've misguided me too, although in my case I think it's pretty accurate, there's a comical amount of relation to that entire description of Space and the Mage role fits how I interact with the concepts described by the Space aspect. The biggest telltale sign is probably the fact that I'm very into science nerd shit and space as in literally space and how cool it is. Also very into astrophotography and I'm very content and relaxed when it comes to loneliness, something which I've always dealt with a lot and hence understand and accept in a non-self-destructive way (at least not anymore ha, I've made peace with all that by this point but all of this was real bad a couple of years ago), pretty much all of my hobbies at this point require no people or relationships and connections to move forward. The number one thing I do in almost all phases of my life so far is have a lot of free time to absorb a lot of knowledge I might at some point utilize and it's all related to either physics or technology. Used to getting my developed logic turned on me too, it's annoying cause I like tidying up everything in little boxes (which I think is just a human instinct to be honest) but it ain't that black and white. The weird thing with that combination is that it can make you question whether you're a Light player or not and I still struggle with that a bit. There are a lot of strange parallels in the description of a Mage to the Light aspect despite classes revealing the HOW in how you utilize your aspect. Something something knowledge, understanding, caring more about the answers and all. One of the charts I have saved depicts an aspect wheel with Light right next to Space and it makes a bit of sense in the more literal, object-type definitions of the aspects. Oh and yeah, I do struggle against Time as the opposite aspect whenever I dive too deep into this desire to collect information and understand, obsessive Homestuck stuff aside it's literally manifesting as a lack of sleep and being late (or running) to almost anything cause I just want more hours in the day to research random shit and get into new things, going on for years now. This was happening back in 2016 and it's still going on in 2023 (21 years old currently). And that's the other beautiful thing with classpecting - it's a made up system describing real people and personalities in a modern cultural context that can actually work as some kind of identification to (at the very least) a piece of someone's being that fits into this mechanism. I love that. Anyhow. I'll finish this off by saying that as a Mage I really like listening to Light players (at least the ones more in line with information and not luck), I'm the kind of person who goes through huge text walls and complicated, detailed analyses, which is why I absolutely loved this video! Good job my man. This was a great memory refresher and ties in beautifully with what I knew from way back when.

is there a version of the text version that isnt on a bloack background?

what about when she fused tavros with a cat making him permanently allergic to himself

I have decided on my class being prince but i cant stop flip flopping between aspects, ugh why cant i have a functioning copy of sburb to read my mind

Wait could you repeat that please But instead of repeating it say something completly different.