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TECH TIP - Setting sag the Race Tech way
Get the balance of your bike correct by setting your sag. Learn why we recommend standing up, how to find your stiction zone, and a some tips to speed up your tuning in this RT Tech Tip video.
Looking for step by step written instructions with photos? Get them here: racetech.com/page/title/Sag
Other helpful instructions, information about your bike, and of course the products Race Tech offers can be found on racetech.com.
Looking for step by step written instructions with photos? Get them here: racetech.com/page/title/Sag
Other helpful instructions, information about your bike, and of course the products Race Tech offers can be found on racetech.com.
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TECH TIP - Properly installing your front forks and front wheel
มุมมอง 6Kปีที่แล้ว
Install your forks and front wheel properly and smooth out your ride! When working with riders, we often find the forks on their bike are pinched, bound up, and not installed properly. Not only will an improper install make your bike perform poorly, but it can also cause additional wear and damage to your components. Looking for step by step written instructions ( racetech.com/page/title/Fork I...
Race Tech's Mental Edge by Paul Thede
มุมมอง 6K6 ปีที่แล้ว
A free release from Race Tech! Is your goal to become better on the bike, at your occupation, or to reach your goals? We have a gift for you. Paul Thede’s Mental Edge! Created in 1992, Paul Thede released 'Mental Edge' , and since then many riders have used the concepts and techniques presented in 'Mental Edge' to stand on top of the podium. Even though it was created ‘back in the day’ the conc...
Race Tech | Tech Tip - Shock Components and Adjustments
มุมมอง 35210 ปีที่แล้ว
In this Race Tech - Tech Tip video, Rob Brown overviews shock components and demonstrates how to properly adjust a shock's clickers. Race Tech Suspension Bible: racetech.com/page/title/Suspension Bible Race Tech Suspension Seminars: www.racetech.com/page/id/27
Race Tech | Introduction to Emulators
มุมมอง 165K11 ปีที่แล้ว
Race Tech founder, Paul Thede explains his reasons for inventing the Gold Valve Cartridge Emulator and the advantages that follow when installing them in Harleys, vintage MX bikes and cruisers. To see what products Race Tech offers for your bike, visit Product Search on racetech.com or call 951.279.6655.
Technical Edge Dirt Shock - Part 6 - Assembly II
มุมมอง 15K11 ปีที่แล้ว
Part six of Race Tech's "Technical Edge - Dirt Shock Maintenance" video, with Race Tech owner Paul Thede. In this segment, Paul walks through re-assembling the shock. For more information about Race Tech's products, tools, and Technical Edge Suspension Seminars, please visit racetech.com or call our friendly sales staff at: (951)279-6655. Want to learn more about tuning suspension? Check out Ra...
Technical Edge Dirt Shock - Part 5 - Assembly I
มุมมอง 22K11 ปีที่แล้ว
Part five of Race Tech's "Technical Edge - Dirt Shock Maintenance" video, with Race Tech owner Paul Thede. In this segment, Paul walks through re-assembling the shock. For more information about Race Tech's products, tools, and Technical Edge Suspension Seminars, please visit racetech.com or call our friendly sales staff at: (951)279-6655. Want to learn more about tuning suspension? Check out R...
Technical Edge Dirt Shock - Part 4 - Gold Valve Installation
มุมมอง 50K11 ปีที่แล้ว
Part four of Race Tech's "Technical Edge - Dirt Shock Maintenance" video, with Race Tech owner Paul Thede. In this segment, Paul walks through the installation of the Race Tech Gold Valve For more information about Race Tech's products, tools, and Technical Edge Suspension Seminars, please visit racetech.com or call our friendly sales staff at: (951)279-6655. Want to learn more about tuning sus...
Technical Edge Dirt Shock Part 2 - Disassembly and Inspection
มุมมอง 13K11 ปีที่แล้ว
Part three of Race Tech's "Technical Edge - Dirt Shock Maintenance" video, with Race Tech owner Paul Thede. In this segment, Paul walks through disassembly and points out what to look for when inspecting the shock. For more information about Race Tech's products, tools, and Technical Edge Suspension Seminars, please visit racetech.com or call our friendly sales staff at: (951)279-6655. Want to ...
Technical Edge Dirt Shock - Part 3 - Gold Valve Explained
มุมมอง 54K11 ปีที่แล้ว
Part three of Race Tech's "Technical Edge - Dirt Shock Maintenance" video, with Race Tech owner Paul Thede. In this segment, Paul explains the gold valve and valve stacks in depth. For more information about Race Tech's products, tools, and Technical Edge Suspension Seminars, please visit racetech.com or call our friendly sales staff at: (951)279-6655. Want to learn more about tuning suspension...
Technical Edge Dirt Shock - Part 1 - Disassembly
มุมมอง 22K11 ปีที่แล้ว
Part one of Race Tech's "Technical Edge - Dirt Shock Maintenance" video, with Race Tech owner Paul Thede. In this segment, Paul walks you through disassembly of the shock. For more information about Race Tech's products, tools, and Technical Edge Suspension Seminars, please visit racetech.com or call our friendly sales staff at: (951)279-6655. Want to learn more about tuning suspension? Check o...
Technical Edge Dirt Fork - Part 5 - Assembly II
มุมมอง 11K11 ปีที่แล้ว
Part five of Race Tech's "Technical Edge video for Dirt Forks", with Race Tech owner Paul Thede. In this segment, Paul continues to walk you through re-assembly of the forks. For more information about Race Tech's products, tools, and Technical Edge Suspension Seminars, please visit racetech.com or call our friendly sales staff at: (951)279-6655. Want to learn more about tuning suspension? Chec...
Technical Edge Dirt Fork - Part 4 - Assembly
มุมมอง 14K11 ปีที่แล้ว
Part four of Race Tech's "Technical Edge video for Dirt Forks", with Race Tech owner Paul Thede. In this segment, Paul walks you through re-assembly of the forks. For more information about Race Tech's products, tools, and Technical Edge Suspension Seminars, please visit racetech.com or call our friendly sales staff at: (951)279-6655. Want to learn more about tuning suspension? Check out Race T...
Technical Edge Dirt Fork - Part 3 - Gold Valve Installation
มุมมอง 36K11 ปีที่แล้ว
Part three of Race Tech's "Technical Edge video for Dirt Forks", with Race Tech owner Paul Thede. In this segment, Paul shows how to install the Race Tech Gold Valve. For more information about Race Tech's products, tools, and Technical Edge Suspension Seminars, please visit racetech.com or call our friendly sales staff at: (951)279-6655. Want to learn more about tuning suspension? Check out Ra...
Technical Edge Dirt Fork - Part 2 - Inspection and Cleaning
มุมมอง 13K11 ปีที่แล้ว
Technical Edge Dirt Fork - Part 2 - Inspection and Cleaning
Technical Edge Dirt Fork - Part 1 - Disassembly
มุมมอง 26K11 ปีที่แล้ว
Technical Edge Dirt Fork - Part 1 - Disassembly
My YZ250 has 2mm of a friction zone. If it had 5 mm, I think I would make sure the linkage and swing arm pivot are greased well. The shock length can change with a pre-load adjustment? The rider is in a slightly different position, (or ate, took a dump, etc.), for the other measurement. Have you ever read the "Motorcycle suspension bible" by Paul Thede? lol
Chain too tight? That was a good point.
Why worry about pulling a measurement from the center of the axle? Unless the end of the tape fits snug its going to be hard to get the center everytime. Clip the axle nut seems much more logical, but I'm not the "expert". I hope they rebuild bettter than they set up.
How about free sag? I've been setting my sag up for 35 years and was scratching my head when the expert was calling out numbers? What was he talking about?
I call sag "rider sag" (rider on the bike), and "bike sag" (just the bike weight. The bike sag is used to tell you if your spring rate is good. After you set the rider sag, measure the bike sag. If it is under 15 mm, you need a stiffer spring. If it is over 25 mm, you can use a weaker spring. Those are old school numbers before the bars were rotated forward (a free style set up basically), and riders are riding a bit more forward on the bike. That "teases" the front end "trail", so riders are going to about 105 mm or a bit more (used to be about 100 mm), and accepting up to 35 mm of bike sag. I am too old of a dog to try new tricks (don't like crashing), and the bike geometry is basically the same since 1982,---so you can set it up either way. I stick with what I know at my age. :) Doug in Michigan
I can't believe i have never seen this. Thankyou sir this video will become a weekly watch for me and my son!
Great info thanks RACE TECH
I need a stiffer ride. to much sag in rear suspension. I’m 225 lbs so I don’t know if I need to buy a stiffer spring or just do the math and adjust accordingly. Also need to adjust the front suspension for a an overall more sporty ride. Any help much appreciated. I have a 2022 gas gas Mc 450f with WP suspension.
You def. need a proper spring for you weight , stock spring is good up to 190lbs
You need stiffer fork springs and shock spring. I had the same problem starting riding again after 18 years off, and 40 lbs more (220 at the time). If you set the sag on that soft rear stock spring (sag will be the same no matter what spring you use), the front will be so low, the bike front end is really "nervous", (because you lost front end "trail", part of "rake and trail", that keeps the wheel steady). Te Race tech site has a chart for rifer weight and spring rate. Do that first, before any other adjustments. There are no adjustments that would fix my soft stock springs with that weight.
@@rebelliontotyrantsisobedie5602 That depends on the bike, but I would say 190 lbs is the high mark for stock springs on the stiffest bikes. 180 probably is more true for most people on a stock 250 or larger bike.
@@rebelliontotyrantsisobedie5602 it’s a 450 and it’s a factory bike.
@@EarthSurferUSA thanks for the advice
Go ahead🤙
Great explanation, thank you.
Thanks Paul! Disappointed that you don't make one small enough for a set of XR100 forks!
I am 220 pounds. How do I calculate my SAG number? How would I calculate it for somebody who is 150 pounds?
Get the right spring rates for the rider weight first, before any other adjustment Then set the sag for the best bike handling, (last, the clickers for fine tuning, and that can get complicated) I like the rear sag closer to 100 mm than 105, so I don't always need a berm to turn. :)
this guys explains it very well ill be sending my suspension to race tech!
Is this asfalt only or would that completely change these settings?
Ok this still doesnt answer where your sag should be set at 😅
Check your owners manual
@@justinreid1986 He said set at 96mm standing up.
Yes
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You should at least mention checking the static sag after doing the rider (dynamic) sag. Status is the sag from extended to compressed just by the weight of the bike, no rider. If your manual says the bike is equipped with a rear spring for say a 165 lb rider and that’s not you, then you go adjust your dynamic sag, then your setup may end up too far from acceptable, because you’re too light, or more likely too heavy, say 200lbs.
Paul 86rm 250 article I remembered him modifying thr Suzuki withe highly resistant linkakage he had polished and harden .but I was wondering if thehe knows the kx250 2005 Aoss kyb mid stroke shim positions since mine fell apart with it coming off
I wonder if it would make sense to put a series of smaller additional holes in the damper rod higher up on the rod (rather than two large holes right next to original ones), to progressively increase compression damping (and decrease rebound damping) as the fork gets more and more compressed. Seems like it could provide additional protection against bottoming out while not affecting handling in the middle of the suspension travel.
Can you tell me the setting on these emulators please. Eg: tightening the spring = ? Loosening the Spring = ? Cheers
wow,no wonder why they charge 2k for a pair of forks on the bigger bikes
What about rebound damping? Does drilling the damping rod make rebound quicker? I'm installing heavier fork springs so I also need more rebound damping.
According to Racetech's website, rebound damping is not affected much by installing the emulators, so you'd need to play with the oil weight
Thanks
I started doing my own suspension and I wonder: how much air is trapped under the seal head with this method? And how can I bleed the last bit of air from the shock?
Put your richard on your bike
This vid would have helped me in my 80's racing days. Especially with mental attitude. I was a different (and slower) guy on race day. I could beat or keep up with my buddies on our practice tracks, but had a real hard time riding to my actual level on race day. But I am happy to say I did win a couple races,---with no confidence. lol
3:55 Good saying. I have another similar. "The day you think you know it all, is the day you have a lot to learn." :)
After much thought after riding again after 18 years off a bike, it seems to me there are 2 was of setting up your bike today. 1) The new way, people ride more forward with handlebars rotated forward, and to compensate for that, they are running more rear end sag (105mm or more), and more static sag (about 35mm). I don't like the way the front end feel in corners with the bars up that high so I went back to our old set up. 2) rotate the bars back down so the ends of the grips are pointing down a bit, (corners so much easier for me), and get the sag set between 95-100mm, with the static sag at about 20-25mm.) I see a lot of amateur kids with go-pros on the modern tall bikes with high bars, who can't corner worth a crap, and pretty much have to have a berm to turn at all. Even in the C class in the 80's, there would be a couple of slow guys, but I have never seen so many slow guys in the corners as I do today. Like everybody.
Thank you for this post, I just check my sag after the holidays and now that my bike has 35 hrs and my sag was 120 with 45 free sag. I'm now at 25 free sag with 105 107 race sag but after reading your comment and how I struggle with rutted turns I'm debating on running 95 sag
@@barnescycle I would not make that big of a jump at first. But I bet 100 mm of rear end sag is a good place to start. I lowered my YZ250 suspension .75" o each end, and found 98 mm is the sweet spot for the stuff I ride on. I can feel it if the spring sacks a bit to over 100 mm as the front end wants to push on flatter corners. Under 98 mm, and I can feel it tuck easier.
Also, I don't know who much you weigh. But you will want to make sure you have good spring rates for your weight, before you do anything else. A heavy guy, on most stock suspension, especially after setting the rear sag, will feel so low in the front, the bike can become un-ride-able. I never noticed that when racing for a decade at 180 lbs. But a new bike years later at 220,-----oh boy did I learn. :)
I have a 99 vmax with progressive spring. I know racetech sells flat rate springs but my progressive springs are practically new. Researching i find mixed results on in the cartridge emulators are compatible with a progressive rate springs. Are they compatible?
Progressive springs are good for comfort when riding in a straight line on a smooth road; they are bad for handling though, especially when braking or on rougher roads. They are just as bad for stock damper rods as they are for emulators, and putting the emulators in would still make your handling better, it just won't be as good as it would be with straight rate springs.
Thank you for having these videos online and free to view.
I understand that you guys are the suspension gurus... but what about free sag? This should of been discussed so that other people have an understanding of whether they have the correct spring rate for their weight.
True. It's a new generation. I can go through a MXA mag today with a red teacher pen when they write about anything technical, but the problems are in every industry today.
How about the front?
My sag is 55mm. I just ordered Race Tech 5.4kg shock spring. I weigh 155lbs. Am I going in the right direction? Should I get the gold valve also?
Ride with a fat GF on the back. :)
Who are you who are so wise in the ways of the science?
I have this on DVD 😁
Go ahead!
I watched this almost every day after school for a long while. Still talk about it to this day.
Could you do one on front spring pre load? KYB.
Glad to see fresh tips here. Love my gold valves and set up. Keep em coming.
He forgot to tell you that in competition first place is the first loser (in life).
Really? Do you have any examples?
@@EarthSurferUSA Cemeteries all over the world have lots of examples.
Ktm triple clamp Fork pinch bolts 106 inch lbs lower clamp bolts & 150 in lbs for the upper. Honda lowers are 180 in lbs, 192 upper. Yamaha 168 in lbs lower, 204 in lbs/17 ft lbs upper.
Good stuff. 🤙
Good stuff Paul. I just saw this after all these years and it’s still valuable and I’ll bet overlooked..
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Some YT techs (lol) are saying to plug the tiny rebound hole at the top of the damper rod. True??? Racetech says nothing about the little hole.
Look up "DAMPING ROD FORKS and EMULATORS HOW THEY WORK" on Racetech's website. Plugging that hole will make rebound damping extremely high since the oil would have basically no way of escaping chamber B.
Too the MOON! THANKS PAUL!
Dude,,,,, genius. To make something "simple" to address something so complicated..... and guaranteed. Thank You for sharing.
Hmm, no talk about rebound or the effects of rebound vs improvement to compression with this device
When I replaced the springs in my wife's bikes and was offered this option. I turned it down. Now that I know more about what they do... I will say yes