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The Marine Surveyor Notebook. Ben Sutcliffe marine
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Ben hopes these short videos taken normally in one go no editing helps make boating safer for all, Ben is a Fellow full member of the YDSA, & member of SCMS, British Marine & RYA, has over 44 years of experience in the marine industry, 4th generation of boat builders and has well over 20 years of surveying all types of craft:- GRP, Steel, wood and aluminum. Ben writes for the leading yachting magazines including yachting monthly and P.B.O. He also writes for towpath talk a narrow boat newspaper. In this site he shares regular findings and tips for owners and buyers.Ben started this site after encouragement from his oldest son when diagnosed with bladder cancer, happily now in remission! Feel free to subscribe and also share his journey of surveying with your friends and shipmates. Ben really hopes his snippets of expertise will help provide useful info and lead to safer times afloat for all!
Ben's website www.bensutcliffemarine.co.uk or call 0044 7796457307 for commercial enquiries.
Ben's website www.bensutcliffemarine.co.uk or call 0044 7796457307 for commercial enquiries.
Engine mount failure Again!
So firstly, big thanks to all of you who have recently subscribed since attending the Southampton boatshow and seeing my foredeck stage presentation!. Here's a classic engine mount failure on my first day back in my day job! Enjoy
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Thinking About Buying a Boat?
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Come and join me at the Southampton International boatshow running from Friday 13th September to Sunday 22nd Sept. along with my marine surveyors notebook talk we are also running some how to buy a boat talks too with several industry experts. Thinking about buying a boat? Get insider tips, expert advice, and everything you need to make your boat-buying journey smooth and exciting. Head to our ...
Laying up covers on and a few tips to protect your boat through the winter. part 3.
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Here's the last of three separate videos on laying up a yacht. Loads of little rios to help protect the vessel. From a proper fitted cover to ways to stop wasps getting in your anchor locker and looking after the anchor chain!
quick set of tips for checking antifreeze in the coolant system for winterizing!
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So laying up chianti for winter here in Greece.. its 40 deg today but being prepared for winter and any sub zero temperatures are important to protect your engine whole laid up. Here's a few simple checks
how to change the oil on an engine. unit a beta marine 75hp winterizing
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So here's a number of little tips on how to change the oil on a diesel engine. For winterizing. Our boat is in the ioian and doing it in 40 plus dwg of heat is a challenge!
quick look at chain plate installation on a Sparkman & Stephens yacht
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here's a quick look at how the chain plates on our Sparkman and Stephens yacht are passed through the deck and anchored in within her fitout. prevention of moisture is essential!
how to moor when there's a lack of mooring bollards
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heres a useful bit of information on how to quayside moor with a lack of mooring bollards. I'd like to pay tribute to my friend John Goode who we sadly lost a few years ago.
even when on your holidays, please think about your families safety when transferring in a tender!
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A thieves paradise! Outboard and RIB security... or the total lack of it!
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outboard and RIB security! or the serious lack of it can be a real eye opener!! ben was on a job late and came through this club Compound, it's a thieves paradise! almost every outboard was not locked on the back of the small tenders and RIBs!
serious pitting on an aluminium pontoon boat
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here's a florida pontoon boat with some serious pitting to her 3mm hull plate. had she been properly protected with an epoxy coating before launched its unlikely this pitting would have occurred
Never rely on someone else's survey! fortunately the buyer was wise to employ his own inspection!
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so here's a great example of why when buying you should always obtain your own independent surveyor working for you. The seller was trying to persuade the buyer that his current 4 year old survey was reliable and accurate. Thankfully, my client stuck to his guns and employed a surveyor. money well spent in this case!!!
it's all in the preparation! a good epoxy job on steel wide beam 8 years on!
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just over 8 years ago I attended this vessel and recommended the plate coatings stripped back to bare metal and properly epoxied with the manufacturers recommended 5 coats. it was done in sensible temperatures and has been in the water 8 years. it's in extremely good condition and just proves good preparation and timely weather with suitable temperatures is essential. the anodes have barely wor...
Serious hull failure of the main stringer under deck of a RIB
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so while I appreciate the filming isn't great the issues are clear to see of the mainstringer having failed where the GRP moulding was pasted in.
seacocks ! the true design how to fit
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After several years of requests I've finally got all the bits together to show the important issues that many of the current posts on fitting a sea cock don't cover!
simple exhaust issues. failed manifold hidden and poorly fitted turbo elbow
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en shows two common findings when on motor and yacht surveys. failed castings for exhaust manifold and a badly fitted elbow off a turbo and it's also not an insulated pipe the correct volvo penta part has a second metal jacket attached before any lagging if fitted.
really dangerous life jacket cylinder. the importance of checking auto lifejacket yearly
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really dangerous life jacket cylinder. the importance of checking auto lifejacket yearly
The danger of a pointless battery isolator !!
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The danger of a pointless battery isolator !!
serious multi fuel stove stack failure. risk of carbon monoxide poisoning!
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serious multi fuel stove stack failure. risk of carbon monoxide poisoning!
Dale Nelson 28 sea trail on Lake Lurcern. watch how smooth she is at speed.
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Dale Nelson 28 sea trail on Lake Lurcern. watch how smooth she is at speed.
Southampton boat show World knot day 2023 on the foredeck stage with Des Pawson MBE!
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Southampton boat show World knot day 2023 on the foredeck stage with Des Pawson MBE!
How to remove seized set screws or studs from a log burner door.
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How to remove seized set screws or studs from a log burner door.
Bowline, brilliant, simple and quick way to tie it!!
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Bowline, brilliant, simple and quick way to tie it!!
serious corrosion of steel barge swim from lack of maintenance
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serious corrosion of steel barge swim from lack of maintenance
A good a reminder of when was the last time you checked the torque of fastenings.
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A good a reminder of when was the last time you checked the torque of fastenings.
Seriously failed balsa core on GRP yacht.
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Seriously failed balsa core on GRP yacht.
Mercruiser inboard petrol engine, the importance of regular fuel hose and filler hose inspections.
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Mercruiser inboard petrol engine, the importance of regular fuel hose and filler hose inspections.
Serious crevice corrosion on a stainless steel propeller shaft.
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Serious crevice corrosion on a stainless steel propeller shaft.
Very interesting video, thanks. Would a more traditional hull construction be more likely to hold up better in a grounding? Would it be easier to repair?
Scrap time
Sawsall time😢
who the hell would build a boat like that?
I can attest to the importance of regular inspection and timely replacement of engine mounts. I didn’t do this and thus recently had to replace all four mounts, the torn but still functional shaft seal, and the cutlass bearing. All that work was not enjoyable - though of course being fixed again is. I have a look (all mounts are easily seen) as part of my pre-start for every sail now.
😂I think the engine mounts was was not the main problem on this boat…..
Yeah I agree those were beyond shot. I do want to mention when putting the drive traine in gear, you seem to indicate there was a problem by the amount of movement. I know the mounts were shot but I dont feel that was excesive even with good mounts. Maybe I'm off base and should be changing mine, your thoughts?
Hi the engine was no longer physically connected through the mount. No easy to show! Thanks for the comments .
What cost will the owner need to account for when calculating the replacement?
Interesting question. Always best to use genuine units. Often it's a labour issue but anything from £50-250 per mount and obviously depending on size and load plus fitting. Alwayschange in pair's and if over 10 years old do all of them!.
boats glory days are over needs to be scrapped
Very informative video. Ρepair and disposal.
Glad it was helpful!
Glad it was helpful!
Or, convert the boat into a displacement hull trawler. Leave a 6 or 19 foot mast for a steadying sail, antennas, navigation lights, etc. drop the keel, repair the hull to be watertight and reasonably fair. Fill the bilge with cement for ballast. Would make a slow but decent live aboard trawler.
You can do nothing in the terms of repair. Boat is from 1990's. Dismouting antimould far exceeds the value of the boat. Second option i lot of to do or invest for poor outcome. Simply for the amount of the cost of repair it is possible to buy similar boat with such great damage or defect. Problem is in the design as well. Keel bolts are not aprochable and what material of the keel bots and nuts that came too rusty. It mast be more carbon out than in the structure of the austenite crystal lattice of steel from which the keel bolts and nuts should have been made.
This is the symptom, now look inside. Inc sufficient backing plate?
The design totally relying on the deck being secure to the hull unlike most yachts have a strap down the stem.
There is an option 3. I think the sailboat may have reached it's life expectancy. What year is this boat? I see this was posted about 18 months ago.
Really appreciate these vids as a boat owner. Thanks for sharing your expertise.
Thankyou Sir
Wouldn't be going any further than swimming distance from land on her... Sad but totally knackered
Structural liners are a curse. I wouldn't own a boat built like that. I've seen a french built 35 ft boat that had a keel you could swing sideways by hand. The liner had been crushed by a grounding and got totally detached from the hull.
That's very common with many production boats all around the world.
If I could afford the fiberglass, it would get an aluminum keel with a zinc cast bottom. There would be a big wide Tee at the top of the new keel with bolts a good foot wide. Your next video would be a big granite rock with a gash being filled in by rock repair specialists.
Ct1 that'll fix it !
I will check next time on board, 😳
Do you find that keel bolts like this come out promptly? I am feeling like I would take off the keel, tear out the grid, one bit at a time to maintain the boat shape, and then glass in floors and stringers. I am not a pro, and I am thinking the job would take two months including drying time. The amount of fiberglass itch is beyone calculation: Defcon 4. Lay days in the yard alone would be $6K where I live. At least 10-15 gallons of epoxy, plus some Kay-Cell. And an acre or two of roving and stitchmat. A small fortune in sandpaper. A small plastic cup for my tears. Am I wrong?
Retrospective glasswork never takes. There is no chemical bond. Only mechanical.
@@stephengrimmer35 That seems overly pessimistic. Lots of repairs are just slathered over the top of heavily ground out structure. Epoxy seems to stick pretty well. Poly, not so much.
Not impossible. Once cleaned back most do come out
Ha the hull laminate may ‘ sound’ solid still but.. has it lost some of its stiffness - only removing a test sample would ever relieve that doubt
Total loss 😢
To me this looks like a complete horror. He does this all hang together?
Bad news I'm afraid 😢😢😢
My boat (to be refitted) is a Laurin Koster 28; she has a full keel….. hull and keel are one, to my mind a much safer construction!! The wet area is much bigger, so yes, in light airs she will be slower than finn-keeled yachts, but that’s ok…. I am not in a hurry…. When the conditions are bad I know I can rely on her…. her motion in rough weather will be so much smoother, and on top of that I will NEVER have to worry about loosing my keel…..EVER!!!!
I'm astonished that it could be repaired to original integrity, and further, at a cost that would be reasonable given the actual value of the boat.
Yes they can - I have managed a boatyard that did the repair of at least ten plus boats damaged from groundings
Im on your wave length, so surprised they can fix it, I would be checking my insurance. But then again I don't know much about yachts
Thank you! Wonderfully successful - we haven’t heard a creak for three days after a single application 😊
Great to hear!
Very interesting video, but in my opinion the boat is a death trap just screams end of life.
In boatbuilding often as I've said a good repair is really better than the original.. if done properly.. and that is often the real issue.. getting it done properly with a surveyor who understands the issues.
I would never sail in a GRP boat that had been repaired in such a critical area. I would scrap it.
As per my last comments if done properly it's better that the original.. however I've also been on yachts where the owner was never aware of the repairs that existed until I showed him!
Man, that’s pretty Munted. Speaks volumes for having an encapsulated keel!.
I do love my encapsulated long keel SS 42 .. but even these if damaged can cost a few pounds to sort out if it's iron and not lead ballast fitted
Or just not running aground. Plenty of people manage with non encapsulated keels by avoiding the bottom!
I'm gonna say Beneteau?
Oh, a beneteau basher. American i guess ? 😂😂😂
Two words, Cheeki Rafiki
@@stephengrimmer35 yes, and ? A boat was severely grounded, was not repaired and set out to cross the ocean. Unfortunately it sunk. Could haven been a Najad or a HR or even an Oyster ( which has bad reputation for losing it’s keel) or a medieval boat like a Rustler or Tayana. So please explain ? You are certainly american, since here in the EU Beneteau is considered a well built safe blue water cruiser. We are living on our boat since several years, crossing several oceans. The boats we see most are Beneteau’s, and most of them have nothing breaking. So, do you even have a boat ? If you have, i guess, it is one of the old medieval ones and you are trying to convince yourself that you have a good boat. We wish you success !
As an ex insurance underwriter, I can say that this is not worth repairing, unless someone buys it for pennies, then has the time, money and skills to repair it themselves. The problem still remains though, that the structure as designed was inadequate to resist a grounding impact. Restoring it back to spec will still mean the next impact will put you back to square one. Not an insurable proposition without a complete redesign and upgrade in strength.
Expedition Evans did a good series on that. Similar issue and willing to put the work in and accept what they might find when gutting the boat, they were with some luck able to come away with a much bigger boat than their savings would otherwise allow.
As a former boat yard manager and a marine surveyor who has over seen many repairs worse than this is have to disagree
Interesting.. the claims paid for it to be repaired against the insured value. The repaired craft is certainly stronger than the original pasted together hull and internal frames
@@TheMarineSurveyorNotebookBenSu The problem lies in the future. The repair was almost certainly an upgrade on the original scantlings, and definitely on the original build quality. And the repair costs would lie within the original valuation. However, whilst many current "underwriters" would insure it again for the same value, I wouldn't, which is entirely my privilege as an underwriter. No insurer is obligated to offer insurance, and I can forsee an expensive argument in future about insured value. Just because a surveyor says it's worth X amount doesn't mean it is in the open market. I encountered many ridiculous "valuations" given to yacht owners in my career, and flatly rejected not a few of them. They were quite free to insure elsewhere.
In my opinion the boat should be scrapped.
Yes scrap .I Know
I’ve seen a number of yachts like that repaired. It’s a LOT of work but it’s very doable.
When I buy a big boat, it will have a full keel.
you mentioned 2 option. You forgot the third, which is to scrap this piece of junk.
Often a good repair is stronger than the original production design. So I wouldn't always rust to the third
Amazing footage, thank you. I surveyed two of these type of boats in the past few years. Curiously it did not take substantial grounding to create such damage, one was motoring at the entrance of a marina around 5knots and grounding in soft mud, the vessel just powered through but the damage was done. I contacted the manufacturer who suggested that these boats, using a grid to support the keel, are made to have the keel hang from the hull/shell and the boat should not rest on the keel while in dry dock. ! Cheers, a
Yes it's not always a substantial grounding that causes the issue as many vessels are pasted together so very little tolerance to being flexed
This is the first of your presentations I've come across.. will be searching for more... ! I would have liked to know if this was considered a viable repair project.. not knowing the age of the boat it's difficult to make a guess.
Quite viable
I live in a small Dutch town on the IJsselmeer. There's an electronics shop in town having a 250 euro diesel heater on display "for boat or caravan" says the note. Unbelievable if people would buy that piece of crap. (I've been 'so silly' to spend literally 10x that amount on a Webasto heater (boat model of course with leak-free exhaust).)
I'll bid three Half-Crowns and take a chance on being bitten.
Seems a Total loss to me
Very repairable when done properly
Holy moly. is that boat a write off then?
No very repairable
Very interesting, even if it caused flashbacks to my own mishap 10 years ago. Regarding economic repair, most costs are for boat handling and furniture removal so don't vary that much with the extent of the damage. GRP work only accounted for 15% of my (insurer's) repair bill.
Nice one - what a relief! For a minute I thought you were going to recommend backstops, looking at your opening shot!
Is this worth repairing?
Yes
Hopefully your yard neighbours are not watching your videos … although it might be better if they would actually listen 😂 Cheers, Harry
And that is how easy it is! And also a good reason to do it yourself to (a) get to onow your engine snd (b) as shipyards tend to do it simultaneously while changing the fuel filter (in spring). Thanks for again a clear video! Harry
I will in spring do one on fuel filter change as that's when I do that one...the fuel tank has been filled and I use marine 16 treatment to try and prevent diesel bug.. so far successful. There is a video on fuel bug .
@@TheMarineSurveyorNotebookBenSu that is indeed how to do it. Clear explanation as always Ben 😃
I think money to burn is the problem right enough. I’ve seen lots of boats have all their anchor and chain out when on the hard too. Do you have any idea why people do it?
On many modern boats reduces weight in the bow and let's thieves benefit for obtaining some very expensive anchors! 😄
If I understand you right, you lay your own boat with a standing rigging. In Germany most boat owners think this is damaging the boat due to the exposure to the wind and the pressure on hull. By contrast, in the Netherlands it is very usual to keep the rigging on during the winter. Do you see a danger of damage or is this fear unsubstantiated?
Very interesting, in the old days we all used to remove spars and unstep them and store them under cover. There are big advantages to removing and restepping every year. But costs in UK and certainly here in Greece for unstep and re step are prohibited compared yo many locations in Europe