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Thanks for subscribing and I'm glad to see a kindred spirit in the comments. I really hope they don't end up together too. I feel like beyond will end bittersweet in some way as Miles' father is on the chopping block and in the comics Miles' mother did die I believe, so both of them I fear for. I think some type of sadness will be at the heart of the conclusion of the movie and I'd rather it be some loss of a romantic connection instead which would truly make the friend zoning of the first movie a reality.

they do end up together and have children in the comics tho...

They must break the canon💀

@@dreamypurrz So...? The movies are inspired by the comics, not direct translations of them. Character dynamics and personalities change across them, therefore relationships will also change. I haven't read the comics myself, so I don't know their exact personalities and relationship in the comics, but I imagine it's different from them in the movies, seeing as in the comics they are of marriage age. It's very different when it's two teens and two grown adults. Honestly, they probably will end up together at the end of beyond (for several reasons), I'm just saying why I think that's doing a disservice to the movies and their characters in these movies.

@@pheebaline i was just saying, i also want them to end up together, but i also agree that they might part ways

Did I say Gwen thought that? I don't believe I did🤔

@@branalysis well you said you think Gwen thought he wasn’t an amazing Spider-Man but really all she wanted was for him to succeed. She just thought he wasn’t ready and didn’t want to force into a situation he wasn’t ready Again when Peter B tells miles to break out of his grasp, you can tell Gwen wants him to break free.

I believe I was referring to her opinion of his readiness before he came thru at the end of the first movie. Since he wasn't ready at the time. For most of the 1st movie he simply wasn't an amazing Spider-Man and Gwen would've reasonably thought the same. In the end of into and in across, of course, she does think highly of his skill as a spider person now

@@branalysis that’s not what Gwen thought tho. I’ll just leave at that mate tho. Hope you have a great day mate Deuces ✌️

Btw, I recommend Jax blade's video on Miles & Gwen for a well argued opposite take from yours. th-cam.com/video/Kpb8E6hxZto/w-d-xo.htmlsi=zeD1NrUTLdKcA2p0

Well, perhaps I coulda phrased her "lying" a bit better. I said she was lying as she really hasn't talked to him enough times for such a statement to even have much weight. Idk if Miles and Gwen talked for 5 hours straight but I won't deny that that convo was important and fruitful for the both of them. The clip I include where Gwen says "what i always think, you're amazing", is included for the same reason. In the first spider verse, she went from thinking he wasn't an amazing Spider-Man to thinking he was at the end when he proved himself so saying "always" makes such a statement ring hollow for me, as her opinion of him wasn't like that till the end of spider verse 1. It over simplifies the history of her opinion of him in a way that feels disingenuous to the audience imo. If the romance confronts the rose tinted glasses aspect of their relationship in beyond, the romance will feel much better definitely. First love glorification is certainly a factor to think about but I expect a bit more set up than what we got. Thank you for your comment. I love seeing essays commented under my videos. I hope both of us are satisfied by beyond

@@branalysis I think you might be taking "What I always think. You're amazing." A little too literally. Since he came into his power at the end of ITSV, she has indeed thought he was amazing. But she started thinking that about him before that point, b/c it's not just about his powers. From the moment Gwen meets Miles, he walks right through all the walls that Gwen thought she had built to keep people out and befriends her almost instantly. I think she found his empathy and understanding to be amazing. There is a subtle moment in ITSV where she is watching Miles as he effortlessly brings Peter B out of his depression about MJ when Peter sees a picture of her in the Spider cave. This impresses Gwen, so much so that she' just assumes that Miles will be the one to get them home, and has a rude awakening when she discovers he really isn't ready, which causes her protection mode to switch back on until Miles appears at the collider at the climax, having taken control of his powers and, after only an day off being Spider-Man, is already an effective hero who pulls their bacon out of the fire. She spent the next 16 months thinking he was amazing, and when she finally sees him again, her regard for him only continues to grow. In Mumbattan she is not just impressed with his competence as Spider-Man, but also at how he immediately took charge, formed a plan, and got everybody on board with it, even Hobie, who never takes orders. What I'm saying is that Gwen is saying what she has thought of him ever since they parted at the end of ITSV. And there was a lot more meaning behind her words in Mumbattan than, "I think you're really good at what you do." She was indirectly saying that she loves and admires him and has for a long time. I appreciate your video even though I don't agree with it. It's probably the most cogent argument I've seen against the ship. Keep making videos, dude. You're good at it.

I agree that Gwen isn't just commenting on Mile's competence as a spider man, Miles' willingness to take risks so decisively and stick to his guns, believing in his ability to make miracles happen is a huge part of what she admires about him. I think you've made well informed counter arguments for sure. Thanks for the encouragement and the discussion🫡

All that stuff you wrote sounds like headcanon, speculation and crazy theories from a crazy fan who is very obsessed with that stupid ship. You wish for crazy people like you to feel obsessed with the same old ship and you don't know what you're talking about, @dgmilloway you are obsessed every time you see Miles and Gwen's relationship and creating your speculations and crazy theories. You are contradicting everything about SpiderVerse and creating excuses just to obsess over a relationship between two characters that you want both to be a married couple! You don't understand any of that. They are not the only ones who have this kind of bond, you are denying everything you saw in ITSV and ATSV. Miles and the Spiderman of his universe, also had that connection and bond, just like the rest of the Spider Gang and especially Margo, but with Gwen she is the most advanced that is why I detect that Miles is in the wrong universe. Spiderverse is not about the lives of normal people, it's about the life of an African American boy who becomes a superhero and meeting others like him based on Marvel comics. both had a romantic relationship just like in the comics, just as it was based and inspired, not in the same way but inspired by those elements. you and no one is right, especially not the video, none of us are right about what will happen to them, just because you want to treat them like a couple!! I hope Miles and Gwen being a couple and friends at the end of Beyond the Spiderman, not like in the old comic, but like in the new comics that are coming out.

A lot of media have romances in their plots regardless if the creators actually care to write a good romance. And sometimes these romances end up portraying unhealthy or poorly built romances. We live in a era of media engagement where shipping is such a loud aspect of fanbase that shoehorned romances may even exist to appease certain fans. Miles and Gwen's romance has an opportunity to say something about this tho so hopefully it does

@@branalysis I have a alot I want to say to this thoughtfully, will respond soon

@@branalysis Friend, SpiderVerse films are an adaptation of the comics, and everything is based and inspired by them. It's not about a romantic relationship being built, it's about superheroes. I respect your video but none of it makes sense, all of that has only caused problems.

@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 Miles and Gwen aren't codependent. Missing the person you connected with instantly and who understood the biggest secret you had in a way that no one else in your life can is not codependence. It's just missing a connection that was important to you and which can't be replicated due to their special circumstances of being super heroes. Teenage pining is also not codependent. It's kind of impossible to have excessive emotional or psychological reliance on a partner when you can't even see them and believe you never will again. It takes actually interacting with and over depending on the other person to form a codependent bond. When they are together, they do not display any signs of codependency. Gwen's navigating of her refusal to take Miles' hand and Miles respect for her boundaries while still expressing his own opinion and desires is actually extraordinarily mature for a couple of teenage dorks who have never been in love before. All of the trouble that occurs between them has very little to do with any sickness in their relationship, and more to do with Gwen's circumstances and beliefs in the reality of how the multiverse works, magnified by her trauma with the death of her Peter, and what happened when she tried to tell the truth to her father. She is not emotionally enmeshed with Miles. She is, in fact, the opposite. She suffers from avoidant attachment. She pushes people away, she doesn't over rely on them. Miles does not ask anything of Gwen either. They just care about each other a lot and want to be together, but one of them believes it is impossible while the other does not. Also, neither of them are enabling the self-destructive behavior of the other, which is the true danger of codependency. So I'm not sure where this idea that Miles and Gwen are codependent comes from.

@@dgmilloway Do you not consider near-social isolation to be self-destructive behavior? While they don't explicitly encourage it with each other, the existence of them in each other's lives seriously enables both of them to completely separate from their own reality. For Miles especially, we see him, over the course of 15 months, make no friends at his school except for Ganke, his literal roommate. He can't even list a single person to his parents when they ask him who his friends are. But we do see his sketchbook, which is nearly entirely Gwen. And it's almost the same for Gwen, except she does have some other friends. However, she pushes most of the people who care about her away: we see it with her band. And instant connection does not equal a solid foundation for a relationship. In fact, when you're 15, it rarely does. They knew each other for 2 days max, and even if they did do a lot of talking in those two days, it's not nearly enough to really know a person. On the basis of those 2 days, they both spend 15 whole months apart. It's impossible for them not to have begun romanticizing each other in this period, because when you don't have the person there to learn about, you assume their personality traits. You can see the reality check Miles goes through when he sees Gwen again in the beginning of atsv. He realizes that he *did not* know her. And it's not even close to impossible to form dependencies on people you cant see again: we literally watch Miles do it. He literally goes into a scientific field just so he can see Gwen again. I would consider that a dependency, or at least a serious reliance. Especially when you're at an age like that, it's incredibly easy to fill in gaps about a person you don't really know. That's often the basis of high school relationships, and also the reason most don't work out. Gwen is avoidant, and Miles copes with that by filling the gaps of his knowledge of her with assumptions. When they get proven wrong, he doesn't know what to do except feel betrayed by a girl he knew for a total of 3 days. We watch it in real time.

@@pheebaline They were not socially isolated because they were stuck on each other. They were socially isolated because they were super heroes with secrets they could tell no one and duties that took up all of their time and forced them to lie about it. Re: their relatively brief time together in ITSV. They didn't connect instantly over trivial things during those two days. Or develop a mutual crush over their shared love of Mario Kart like normal teens would. They connected and formed a strong bond over an experience they shared with literally no one else in their universe except each other. Two kids bonding over the huge power and responsibility they had thrust upon them. Over the trauma of watching helplessly as their Peter Parkers died. And then they shared a scary adventure together where they faced great danger and saved each other from dying on multiple occasions. That is the kind of shared experience that can really bring two compatible people closer together. I've talked about the romanticization issue in another comment on this video. But this is also not an unhealthy thing. It is very common to wear rose colored glasses in the early days of a crush or a budding romance. I think it's biological. Our minds feed us endorphins and encourage us to see the best in our objects of affection. Miles and Gwen just had the disadvantage of being separated for 16 months which led each idolizing the other for longer then usual. But they certainly made up for lost time in Across.The assumptions on both sides were forcibly stripped away by the end. Re: dependency. Miles was not emotionally dependent on Gwen. He just missed her terribly b/c she was the only one he knew who could understand the whole of who he was because she was like him. And vice-versa for Gwen. If anything, it was their memories and mementos of each other that helped keep them going when the weight of being Spider-Man got too heavy, that reminded them that they *weren't* the only one. Someone else was out there who was going through the same things they were going through and understood. Was finding Gwen and the rest of his Spider friends again a motivation for deciding on a career in hard physics and dimensional theory? Of course it was. A very understandable one. People need to be able to associate with other people like them, and there is *no one* in his universe that's like Miles. Sure, he's good with art. I knew a lot of artists in high school as talented as him. Of all of them, one went on to art school to study art. Choosing to do something else for a career is, frankly, the norm. And Miles isn't only an artist. The kid is super smart. It wasn't just a lottery that got him into Visions Academy. He's multi-takented. The one time we see an example of his school smarts is in ITSV. A test for the class watching a documentary on dimensional theory starring Doc Ock. He intentionally gets a zero, which the teacher turns into a 100% b/c she knows he understands the material and won't let him sabotage himself. So no, I wouldn't call that a sign of unhealthy dependence or over reliance. It actually seems like a solid career choice, and Lord knows the field is in desperate need of more ethical people like Miles to counter the nuts like Liv and Ohn. And lastly, I say they aren''t co-dependent b/c codependency has a specific meaning. It doesn't just mean "dependant." So, respectfully, I pretty much disagree with everything you just wrote. I personally find it troubling when people pathologize Miles & Gwen's relationship (and relationships in general, tbh) whenever one party makes a serious mistake with no ill intent. All relationships go through rough times where someone messed up and work needs to be done to fix things and make it stronger. It doesn't make the relationship toxic or unhealthy. It just makes it a work in progress.

International viewership is something I didn't even think about, how cool!

Thanks for watching and the feedback. Yeah admittedly, I found wording what I wanted to say very difficult for this video. Multiple parts were rewritten over the course of months of off and on writing. So the script isn't as concise as it could be.

Engagement is engagement🤷🏿‍♂️

I literally didn't, what are u talking about?

I'm not caught up with the manga so this is high praise to me. Thank u‼️

I bet you have the ticklest feet🥰

I love it regardless! If the audio needing work is the only thing wrong with the video then that means everything else is great! I enjoy your analysis very much, thanks for sharing it One time my sister compared me to george thinking that it was a compliment, but it sure didnt feel like one

Great video. Word of advice, I know it comes with time ... but ennunciation helps immensely.

Thank you for the video. The audio is actually good, though there's some times difficult to understand, which I understand completely. Not easy to write a script, reading and give life to it. I'm just curious: It seems that you have like a candy in your mouth and changing it's position from time to time, is it true? xD I understand if you don't respond. Keep up the great work ma dude 💪

Lol, that's understandable. Thanks for trying to get through it. This was only my 3rd vid and I was much more nervous recording and had a way worse mic than I use now. I believe my videos past this one sound much more polished

I think I've improved since this video, I was also using a worse mic for this video

Witnessing more couples in college has made me witness the allure of neurotic guys trap some girls💀

It's a bad speaking habit I've had since I was young😭

@@branalysis luckily you said habit, meaning it’s not a speech impediment. All you have to do is practice, good luck bro 🙏🏻

Is this a reference to Seinfeld or should I be disturbed💀

I had a way shittier mic when I made this😫

​@@branalysispronunciation. It sounds like Ronda Rousey speaking. Mouthful of marshmallows

I think I've gotten better at vocalizing since then. And the old mic wasn't helping with my worse pronunciation. This video is almost 2 years old and was only my 3rd video.

Came here to say this

lol

I hate hearing my voice recorded so this is nice to hear😅

Thank you! Glad u liked it