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Anything on new balance changes?

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I really just wasted 6 mins on this but good esiting for your points lol

It’s not that bad anymore! It ramps up fast though

She be hulkin on my wing till I death.

Is it only on steam?

I think is why Astartes was so popular. It properly captures the enormous power imbalance between regular people, space marines, psykers, and finally the some of the cosmic horrors of the Warhammer universe.

Show me Titus one shotting a Beast of Nurgle eith his thunder hammer and then we'll talk. Also SM2 fans dont be salty jn thereplies im just doing a funny

love the video and I agree, the contrast is honestly what makes the setting so fun to read about for me

Darktide gave me such trauma that I stopped playing it. It was really a stressful game. And that music, when mission is complete and hordes after hordes are coming, there are barely any bullet left and I am running towards the plane.... man, I felt like literally I am running for my life there. Darktide is on point from that perspective, we are not really expected to come back from any mission, when we come back it felt like we barely survived. While on space marine 2, I am playing a hero, and doing heroic stunts. There is harder difficulty, yes, but it is not traumatic.

I mean the rejects are fighting Daemonhosts, Unclean ones and Chaos Ogryns, I know the game looks and feels "realistic" in setting and that's good. But when you think about it, it really isn't and that's fine. That said Fat Shark isn't going to do a big add on with new assets, I hope I'm wrong but I don't see them risking that.

Cadians for 10,000 years fought back the warp and won. They held back 12 black crusades and nearly held back the 13th until abbadon crashed his Black stone fortress to break Cadia and the guard still fought on while the planet was In pieces against worst than what was In SM2 so it’s not necessarily that regular humans can’t hold their own.

Honestly if it’s a more simple marine type like ultramarines ( if we’re ignoring faction allegiances) or more believably the black legion I think a reject kill team could hypothetically take a 3 man squad of them. If we’re talking by game logic the rejects could take much worse than a bolter round judging by the fact that they can take plasma bolts to the chest and the psykana shield on the psyker would also prove very useful. Or if we’re going for a more realistic approach just about everyone other than the zealot becomes about 2 to 3 times stronger with the vet getting access to plasma guns, krak grenades and power swords, the psyker would just start bending reality (as unsanctioned psykers tend to do) and the ogryn could suddenly go toe to toe with the marines in terms of physical strength, even the zealot has access to a thunder hammer which would cave in their ceremite armor rather well. As for battle planning the whole gyst would be that the rejects sit behind a psykers psykana shield and have the vet and psyker hit them at range. Then if they close for melee they have an ogryn and a thunder hammer to deal with.

Right up until 2:18 you had me, then nope, the cadian true born are the ones with purple eyes and they are the ones still fighting the "replacement" cadian troops aka troops from different planets added to cadian regiments to bring them back up to strength are the ones with normal eyes and they are the ones affected by the warp fuckery, go back and play the level again, all of the true born cadians are immune to that shit. The planet broke before the guard!

Seeing the difference between the threats in both games, I can't imagine how difficult a single Thousand Sons chaos marine would destroy you so quickly, including most of Tertium's lower levels

ehhh, the a lot of named charaacters in lore being just humans who would put average space marine to shame. And considering that Zealot either have Emperor helping him either have damn force field tech if say rejects are not "just some leftover"

The Space Marines in SM2 turn chaos cultist into clouds of red mist just by running into them, the main enemies in Darktide XD

In darkride we may get a huge kill count but that's because most of those enemies are pox ridden zombies that shuffle towards you with without much thought or strategy The Moebian 6th, the highly trained elites traitor guardsmen are roughly spread out through the hive city using pox walkers and poorly armed cultists to bolster their ranks, from a narrative perspective we're supposed to be the miracle best of the best of the rejects and conscripts Inquisitor Grendyl is throwing at the problem en mass because his normal stormtroopers are being picked off and he cant recoup his losses any other way You compare this ragtag spure of the moment chaos uprising to other traitor militarum forces who actually properly supplied with tanks, artillery, aircraft and freaking daemon engines and suddenly we're not so impressive cutting down what are basically malnourished, brainwashed, diseased zombies 😞 You send in a detachment of space Marines to deal with this and they'll crush this rebellion in no time, especially Raven gaurd, masters of infiltration, stealth, espionage and assassinations, or the Blood Angels, champions of melee combat, you see how Ultra marines easily clear out a swarm of Gaunts, imagine marines specifically trained in melee prowess being attacked by a mob of decrepit corpses with rusty pipes and knives made from garbage

The veteran has a plasma gun and a bolter and the any of the ogryn can beat a space marine in combat.

There is power armor for regular humans , the inquisition and the women only factions use it. Forgot their name. Power armor is not that important, there is a lot of legendary human warriors that never wore it

Calling it rn, Plaguebearers.

got to check out some of @Luetin09 's lore videos, just make sure you have a few hours free first

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SM2 also made me realize that Darktide is the result of Fatshark wanting to be so safe that their brain turned off, they wanted Vermintide again but in 40k and at any cost and regardless of it making sense or not, im not a huge specialist on 40k lore but im pretty sure the Darktide characters doing what they do is already a bit lore breaking. Fatshark could've had everything SM2 has today 2 freaking years ago, but they'd rather stay safe instead, the terrible console focused launch in an age where consoles are slowly dying was also another example of this.

Ive heard it explained this way. The darktide rejects are for fighting for control of cities. If a space marine is called to a planet then its safe to say that its either a planet thats lost or about to be destroyed. Difference between city level threats and planetary level threats.

Reminds me of the chats i had with fellow rejects a few times now, where those that have maybe seen some majorkill(love his stuff dont get me wrong) stuff beyond the game itself, going "Cant wait for the next update where they gotta add a chaos space marine as an enemy, thatd be so cool" and everyone that knows lore at least enough to go "lmao no" makes me think of a interaction between a reject team where they come up to a csm going "were gonna kill u!!!" and the csm goes "lol", atomizes the skull or bisects the body of anyone caught out in the open with a single bolter round, "lmao" repeals any magic by the psyker before putting a bolt into their skull too, maybe needing a few more before scoring a hit from the migraine they might cause. Sure the ogryn might get a lucky swing on one of em but unless the big boys luck is blessed by the big e himself the csm slices off the ogryns arm before tearing off his head too then

I'd say if you wanted the best mix between say the 40K space marine power levels to civvie levels in a game, rogue trader the rpg by owlcat is the best game to give what that range would be.

rejects could fight gene cultists

this video made me realize that a game like Darktide/Vermintide were we play as Orks would have endless possibilities regarding enemy, weapons and missions

Yeah. Darktide is basically the weakest a protagonist can be without dying like flies. I love it.

fun fact, all the guardsmen in that one level that are seemingly unaffected by the warp have purple eyes, meaning they are true-blooded cadians and have an innate resistance to the corrupting influence.

Thanks for the upload man!

To be fair: the Astra Militarum soldiers who did go insane in Space Marine 2 were no true Cadians, as their eyes aren't purple. Soldiers from Cadia were somewhat immune to those kinds of Chaos magic, due to the proximity to the Eye of Terror, but Cadians forces had to take in offwolders to bolster their ranks after Cadia fell.

40k logic Get caught taking too many chicken bones out of the trash The result - arrested and sent to fight in a penal regiment against a nurgle cult! You have to love 40k 🤣🤣🤣

Darktide, you're essentially rolls of gauze being stuffed into a wound, while the real important fighting is being done elsewhere.

One thing people don't realize about the Rejects in Darktide: Yeah, they say heretical things, that's the point. They're unfit for service in the rest of the imperium, but they're all too valuable to just imprison or kill. So they get tasked doing the dirty work that no one else can do. A team of Guardsmen would get torn up on Hive Tertium, but a much smaller team of very skilled Rejects can clean things out much easier. Also, Darktide has the Rejects fighting fucking Daemonhosts, Beasts of Nurgle, and Plague Ogryn! These Rejects are far from normal. That's why people have been saying they should add a boss where you fight a Chaos Marine or somethin. As other people have said, the Rejects we play as have essentially reached Main Character status.

The rejects are special, no one can deny that, strong willpower combined with something that watches over them, be it the emperor himself or maybe even a rival chaos god or something else its up for debate, but the fact remains that the rejects (the ones that come back form missions now, and regurarly are promoted to Auric operatives) face nurgles rot daily and somehow shrug it off like it was a weak cold for a few hours, they face beasts of nurgle that are death sentences to any living being due to its life cycle, but somethings interferes with nurgle's corruption to fully take root in the rejects. In the case for Cadia, the entire planet and soldiers from it have developed slight or moderate warp resistance due to fighting for so long close to the eye of terror, and chaos only won because abaddon rammed a one of a kind giga spaceship, one of three of something, into the planet to crack it open, leaving only two similar spaceships left in the galaxy of that class. when they say that the planet broke before the guard did they mean it, If Cadia had weathered for longer chaos as a whole would be scared due to the potential the people on it had. Something is watching over the rejects, given that they also face daemonhosts and even persevere sometimes against it.

Whilst I don't agree with everything said about power weapons here, the power supply is an interesting point. The ones used by people not carrying an external power supply ought to have a little internal one, which obviously would provide less activated duration. That being said, on the models there isn't a tendency to have externally supplied ones on space Marines and the others on regular humans. I'd just write it of as a gameplay mechanic.

One thing I love about SM2 and Darktide is, WH40K always had an issue with "scale", where wars that should be full of hundreds of thousands, planet sized wars, always felt like the number of combatants either on screen or detailed were way too small, and the scale felt off, but in both of these, the true scale of a planetary or hive-city threat feels really strong and visualized well.

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Never played Darktide and stumbled to this video accidentally. But yes, a regular space marine soloes whole that level that was in the video from Darktide ( i presume it is Darktide ). That's what i love about WH40 lore, the power scalings. I mean a space marine is not "the best from the best" ( like for example we see it is said for people in things like navy seals or something in real world ) but there only about dosen to houndred almost superhuman level people that are "the best" on a given world, and then they are even more enhanced. And custodes...they are different story entirely, how i said that probably a space marine soloes whole level and everything seen in Darktide footage, one custodes soloes whole ship full of space marines as seen in Space Marine 2 game. But there are good stories among guardsman as well as among marines....and thats great. Now...a question, for autor of the video or anybody reading this. I like Space Marine 2, i want to play more WH40k games, thought about Rouge Trader or that space ship combat strategy game ( cant remeber the name ), but friend mentioned Darktide in passing the other day... so, is it good ? what kind of game is it ? can i get a tl:dr ?

I understand that there's an in-game reason why weapons aren't good relative to what is available to more important factions (even guardsmen), but in terms of gameplay the process of acquiring and upgrading weapons is just horrible. Stacking dice rolls for a ridiculous price per weapon is unfun. I'm okay with some RNG, and have several hundred hours on Vermintide 2 and have played for several years so I'm used to FatSharks toxic RNG fetish, but this Darktide system is just bullshit. The fact that there is no way to get back meaningful amounts of materials when scrapping weapons AND the only way to get materials is by grinding matches AND each upgrade costing ridiculous amounts for the stat changes given makes upgrading essentially worthless. There is no way to continuously use your favorite build throughout the game without incredible store RNG. Vermintide 2 balanced RNG item drop mechanics, resource acquisition, and grind perfectly imo, at least in terms of balancing FatSharks NEED for RNG progression and the player's need for fair and meaningful progression. The fact is that the gear level floor, recyclable crafting materials, abundance of "free" chests, and blueprints to craft whatever weapon you choose (provided you have enough levels) saved Vermintide 2 from being crushed under the weight of what could've been a frustrating slog through lootbox gatcha grindfests

I understand that there's an in-game reason why weapons aren't good relative to what is available to more important factions (even guardsmen), but in terms of gameplay the process of acquiring and upgrading weapons is just horrible. Stacking dice rolls for a ridiculous price per weapon is unfun. I'm okay with some RNG, and have several hundred hours on Vermintide 2 and have played for several years so I'm used to FatSharks toxic RNG fetish, but this Darktide system is just bullshit. The fact that there is no way to get back meaningful amounts of materials when scrapping weapons AND the only way to get materials is by grinding matches AND each upgrade costing ridiculous amounts for the stat changes given makes upgrading essentially worthless. There is no way to continuously use your favorite build throughout the game without incredible store RNG. Vermintide 2 balanced RNG item drop mechanics, resource acquisition, and grind perfectly imo, at least in terms of balancing FatSharks NEED for RNG progression and the player's need for fair and meaningful progression. The fact is that the gear level floor, recyclable crafting materials, abundance of "free" chests, and blueprints to craft whatever weapon you choose (provided you have enough levels) saved Vermintide 2 from being crushed under the weight of what could've been a frustrating slog through lootbox gatcha grindfests.

I understand that there's an in-game reason why weapons aren't good relative to what is available to more important factions (even guardsmen), but in terms of gameplay the process of acquiring and upgrading weapons is just horrible. Stacking dice rolls for a ridiculous price per weapon is unfun. I'm okay with some RNG, and have several hundred hours on Vermintide 2 and have played for several years so I'm used to FatSharks toxic RNG fetish, but this Darktide system is just bullshit. The fact that there is no way to get back meaningful amounts of materials when scrapping weapons AND the only way to get materials is by grinding matches AND each upgrade costing ridiculous amounts for the stat changes given makes upgrading essentially worthless. There is no way to continuously use your favorite build throughout the game without incredible store RNG. Vermintide 2 balanced RNG item drop mechanics, resource acquisition, and grind perfectly imo, at least in terms of balancing FatSharks NEED for RNG progression and the player's need for fair and meaningful progression. The fact is that the gear level floor, recyclable crafting materials, abundance of "free" chests, and blueprints to craft whatever weapon you choose (provided you have enough levels) saved Vermintide 2 from being crushed under the weight of what could've been a frustrating slog through lootbox gatcha grindfests.

Just as Fatshark added Beastmen in Vermintide, I believe they could maybe include Khornate cultists for Darktide.

Space Marine 2 made me realizie how half assed Darktide is

The NEcron Overlord can become immortal. Which is fun.

Never forget that a woman swung a Crozius; a Chaplin's whacking stick; and the force of it was so much that her spine snapped like a twig and she woke up in a hospital.

Also quit your job

That lotion on the night stand