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Ember Prototypes
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We’re a small, agile, rapid prototyping and design service in Vancouver, Canada. We are local engineers with years of experience designing, prototyping and manufacturing.
MATERIAL SCIENTIST explains IPA recycling: a chat with Andrew Mayhall from 3D Gloop!
We had a very interesting discussion with Andrew Mayhall, a material scientist and co-founder & president of 3D Gloop!
This was such an interesting discussion that we thought it would be worth posting the entire interview up.
Be warned - this one is LONG and un-edited!
See our previous video on IPA recycling here:
th-cam.com/video/txSbP4tcukU/w-d-xo.html
Find out more about 3D Gloop! here:
www.3dgloop.com/
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This was such an interesting discussion that we thought it would be worth posting the entire interview up.
Be warned - this one is LONG and un-edited!
See our previous video on IPA recycling here:
th-cam.com/video/txSbP4tcukU/w-d-xo.html
Find out more about 3D Gloop! here:
www.3dgloop.com/
emberprototypes.com/
emberprototypes
emberprototypes
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The REAL way to recycle IPA for resin 3D printing
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What filament do you recommand that can support multiple vacuumforming in chain ?
Thanks for this. A simple cost effective solution.
awesome project. I bet you can utilize home assistant to control the heater entirely. There is a bambu lab integration to get the chamber temperature, and weather or not it is printing. Use that to control a zwave outlet to control the heater.
Did I miss the part of what your chamber temps were before the modifications?
I didn't measure that, but it definitely wasn't anywhere near 60C. Maybe between 40-50C.
It would be nice to actually get a response from email
@@oeq0616 I always try to respond. Try following up, maybe I missed it
@@emberprototypes Its not the initial response it is the reply that isn't being responded to.
What air filter is that one?
@@TheRealDoubleT I designed my own because I was testing something new 🙂
i think i will do something like this too
Great! Thanks for watching!
Dude this is sick!
Awesome mod thank you. I installed this a month ago and had great success printing asa that I was struggling with previously. Also what filter do you have installed in yours?
Yeah I love this mod so much haha. It's a homebrew version of the bentobox...I was testing some different ideas 🙂
Bro you read my mind! I had a similar idea, thanks for confirming!
Thanks for watching!
Great idea. What I do wonder though is how the internal components will behave long term. I can imagine the X1E has either components rated for a hight ambient temp. or are insulated appropriately ..
AFAIK the X1E has the same electronics as the X1C and mostly the same components. My X1C has been running with this for almost a year now and still chugging along.
worried about heat creep? hotend jamming?
Haven't run into that and it's been almost a year! Obviously don't run it with PLA or low temp materials 😅
It would be interesting if the printer's firmware was in control of the heater. Maybe something that could be achieved with X1Plus 🤔
Files?!?
Heyas! thanks for the video. So is this thing still operational? It wasn't really made to be sitting in a hot chamber.
@@TheMugwump1 yup still working fantastically
@@emberprototypes Awesome! Thanks for the reply.
So based on your discovery I purchased the same heater for my X1C. For safety reasons, my printer has been added to my air duct system to vent the case to atmosphere actively. Because of this I'm inevitably going to be drawing cool air in through the gaps in the gas and housing since it's at a constant negative pressure. Do you think this heater will be sufficient enough to keep up with using a vent system? I should know in a few weeks once I get it installed, just curious your thoughts.
Probably not to be honest, you likely need a much more powerful heater. An alternative way to accomplish what you want while still taking safety into consideration is to enclosure your printer in something like a grow tent and place a large air purifier inside said tent. Then you can use a chamber heater like this while still being safe.
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Do you recall the depth you used for the logo on the updated version? I am working on some parts and using their technical specs is far too deep for what I am hoping to achieve. Also curious if you've printed any parts in 1mm and how those may have come out.
Logo depths are 0.5mm and it turns out really nice for me!
@ awesome. Thanks!!
@@BagBuff anytime!
Im late to the party, but the temperature sensor is located on the button board on the upper right hand of the chamber. The button board has an emergency stop button and a sleep button to turn off the screen. That might be why there is about a 10c difference. It seems like an odd placement of the chamber sensor. I really do like your chamber heater. It’s very straightforward.
Yeah I've learned this as well. I will update my pinned message with this info 😅 but yes, it does seem like a weird spot to put the sensor doesn't it? Thanks for watching!
Be nice if you could mod the button board to move the temperature sensor to be inside the chamber. Just getting the chamber up to over 60c using off the shelf components is nice. You got the temperature in the ballpark for the materials used. Winning!
@@Teddyboy-EM best mod I've ever done honestly (and easiest as well)! Yeah I don't get why the temp sensor is on the button board...
Great idea!
Thanks!!
HINT: To remove that glue, it is PRETTY simple. You shall just use like sunflower oil, or something similar. Rub the part in with the oil (those remains you want to get rid of), let it soak for like 2-5 min, and then use a thin scraper made of hard plastic and scrape it off, or you can use your finger nails.
I believe the chamber temp sensor is above the glass door attached to the plastic housing above it.
Yes you're correct, the temp sensor is on the same board that is used for the accessory button on the top right at the front...so the place I put the sensor isn't actually the best spot 😅although it's still true that I'd like to measure the temperature close to the electronics so they don't overheat
My only gripe about my X1C, and it's now about to be fixed because of this. $41 total for me due to sales, and I already have a smart plug. woohoo! Polycarbonate has been my arch nemesis so far,
Let me know if this helps you defeat your arch nemesis 😉
Super intersting to see a resin printer making functional parts not just miniature figures as most videos here seem to depict.
Yeah, definitely tons you can do it with it! Thanks for watching 🙂
Pretty cool! With larger parts I have found the plates to show themselves a bit thin and bend upwards, (lifting away from the magnetic surface of the bed); I'll be curious to implement this upgrade and compare results. Also, the Doubble sided smooth PEI plates are a bit thicker and make a big difference in this kind of situations.
I was thinking of doing a vacuum chamber version of this , lower temps involved and IPA will still evaporate just need to reclaim it from the pumps outlet
I think it can get tricky with condensing out the IPA in a vacuum system, but definitely possible!
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I installed this and then started getting heat creep super bad on my abs prints when the chamber was at 60c. Do you use a different nozzle than stock? Seems like the stock nozzle and fan isn’t sufficient to cool the hotend when the chamber temp is this high. Several failed prints an hour in and then completely back to normal when I ran without the heater. Any chance you’ve run into this? I also insulated the chamber so the heater might be overkill for abs anyways, maybe heat creep is less of an issue with nylon? Plan on printing a lot of nylon as well so either I’m happy I did the upgrade if I can figure out this issue. Thanks !
Weird, I've never, ever ran into heat creep with ABS ever in my 10+ years of printing haha! It's typically just a problem with PLA. I haven't had the same issue on my machine with the heated chamber. What temperature are you controlling to? I wonder if you're actually going above 60C and need to drop it down a little bit.
Ya I was surprised also, it was the last thing I checked. Changed nozzle, dried filament again, messed around w the settings a bunch. But eventually since it always happened like an hour into the print I realized that was when it got up to 60c. Ran it with the heater off and it printed just fine. Been running the heater for a couple weeks before this happened but it was before the heat in my apt kicked on so the ambient temp was a lot lower and the chamber never got that high. Both the inkbird and the onboard chamber temp sensor are reading within 1-2 degrees of each other but maybe “60” is just pushing it for my setup. We’ll see how it works with nylon but I’ve been able to stop all my warping issues and avoid clogs running it at 50 with abs. Thanks for the reply! Definitely a worthwhile upgrade but like anything else takes some figuring out.
@@YapScience super interesting. I'm glad you managed to find a setpoint that's working though! Temperature is a tricky thing to measure accurately sometimes 🙂
Awesome for making and sharing this knowledge! Can't thank you enough!
You're very welcome! Thanks for watching 🙂
Cool, but after some time in the atmosphere you are going to get down to 91% and stay there since you can't distill past 91% without a vacuum. Or does the machine vacuum distil?
Yup that is absolutely correct because of moisture absorption. Still does the job very well though.
Just thinking about doing it myself. How good is it?
Been great for me!
muchas gracias desde argentina, estube buscando algo confiable desde hace tiempo, si bien el costo es elevado, es una solución ideal al problema del IPA
I think this is a stupid question but will just waiting for the material to melt and just using gravity to get it out work?
Unfortunately not, often you need some increased pressure to force clogs out.
Very cool to see how this can be done professionally and cleanly.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for this. Good research for us as we prepare to disassemble and clean our unit. Design issues all around that these spills are so common and so CATASTROPHIC.
Yeah, definitely a big miss from a design perspective. The machines themselves work amazingly though, and you kind of learn to watch out for specific things. In the 5 years I've owned these printers I've only had 2 spills (*knocks on wood*) so it's been alright. The new Form 4s aren't plagued by the same tank design issues so they should be much more robust with lower operating costs.
Does it impact auto bed levelling on Bambu? presumably the height one the printed areas is higher?
It does, but with auto levelling it handles it automatically 🙂
Bambu Studio now allows you to add textures and SVGs in the slicer the same way Prusa Slicer does 🔥💪 You can see how to do it in the release notes here: wiki.bambulab.com/en/software/bambu-studio/release/release-note-1-10-0
How do you remove the tube? Mine seems real stuck, so I need to unscrew something?
I've had that happen sometimes and it's super annoying. What that usually means is that you have an extruder clog (not a nozzle clog) and you'll have to dismantle the entire extruder to get the jammed filament out (which will then let you pull the tube out). It's a real pain when that happens 😢
6 months later... is there an update on longevity or any component wear? I just bought it all to do PC-ABS but I would like to know how your machine handles it long term
@@Xaedous it's still chugging along great for me!
@@emberprototypes this is what I wanted to hear.. I am trying to get pc-abs dialed in and the actual layer adhesion is an issue
@Xaedous heated chamber should help. I remember using polymaker pc-abs in the past and that stuff wants to warp like crazy
@@emberprototypes warping isnt the issue.. just weak adhesion between layers. like it s solid but breaks easily along the layer lines
@@Xaedous do you have the cooling fan turned off? That will help.
So to summarize this for the home hobbiest you CAN reuse your ipa after letting it settle and decanting the top layer off. If you further run it through a filter of some sort you will remove more of the dissolved resin portions but it is dependent on the formula of your resin and statistical chance. Distilling is the best way with a home distiller that has a temperature controller but that has safety concerns and you will not get it above roughly 80% IPA. Either way eventually your IPA will become so saturated that you will have to dispose and use new "fresh" IPA but there is really no way for the home hobbiest to know the saturation level other than the solvents effectivness at cleaning a part.
@@gsargent1970 just to correct you here - decanting and filtering may not and likely won't remove much (if any) of the dissolved solute, but it *can* remove non dissolved components which will increase the likelihood of mechanical agitation cleaning your parts.
What does the inkbird C206T do in this loop? Does it turn on and off the heater to maintain set temperature?
@@deathpunchrigby1664 correct!
exactly.
This is a 50W heater were a Qidi 1 pro uses a 300W unit. Not sure it will be enought to be efficient.
It's been enough to maintain 60C no problem.
@emberprototypes It is good to know. Thanks a lot.
Awesome mod! Thank you so much for posting a video. I've been wanting to put some sort of chamber heater into my P1S for a while and the heater and Inkbird just arrived today. Have you had any thermal issues with the electronics in the long term? I'm a bit leary about mounting the heater just on the other side of the back wall from the mainboard. Also curious about what some of the longest print times you've run with the heater on?
I've had zero issues thus far and have been running this for a long time now. I've had very long prints (20 hours) as well as non-stop production work and it's been working like a champ so far for me!
@ glad to hear it! I just finished the setup in the same configuration as you (well, with a bento box) and just fired it up for the first chamber heat. Thanks again!
@@justinu1182 woot! And no problem, happy to share the knowledge 🙂
i am looking to do the same, except it will be outdoor ! I ve seen photo of the axio fan inside the tent, is it possible to make it work like that ?
Yup you can put it inside no problem!
No modification in oven?
Nope. This oven works perfect on "cookie" setting haha
Great information. I just ordered the heater and controller. Already happen to have a stack of the kasa plugs. Just tried ASA for the first time and I am at a 100% failure rate and I have been told by others that got the Layerzerodesign heater that they went from 100% failure to almost 100% success by chamber heating. This option is 1/4 the cost and from what I have heard regarding delivery times of orders of those other units, about 15 days faster to get a hold of so very happy to come across your video. Thanks!!!
@@Skul-Ski yeah this is by far the easiest and cheapest mod. Let me know how it works out for you, it's been great for myself!
You might want to put something on the bottom edge of the back panel to resist chafing the cables.
"everything out" where are the fumes going through that hole on the wall?
@@AsdasdAsdasd-xq1nr outside the building
I use Onyx from markforged. On my P1S is going relly nice and also big parts. no need to make upgrades
Great quality check