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If the danties were a lie why were they mentioned in the Joseph Smith papers? I understand if the only stories came from outside sources, but the official papers mention them. If you wouldn't mind providing proof that all of the sources we mentioned in this video were lying that would be great!

@@BehindTheVeilOfficial They were mentioned then because danite boogeymen as a story weren't created now. It was a story back then. There wasn't anyone that was actually proven even as a danite boogeyman. Think about the mobs. Why would you be worrying about danites when the mobs of that period were the real boogeymen and real story. Doesn't it seem odd to you that everyone would ignore the real story, which was murdering, rapists that were combing the countryside invading mormon homes and cities.... when you see the truth its not as pretty. If you were stirring up the mob, you have to have a story. They created this idea of danite boogeymen to trick people to join the mobs to invade mormon homes. Anyone there with those mobs isn't going to identify themselves because if they do now they are murderers and rapists. The real evidence you can find is that hundreds of bank failures happened around that time. The country was full of failing banks around that time also. This was part of why people joined the mobs. They wanted someone to blame for the bank failures. And it made people do things they wish they hadn't. But it doesn't meaning joining these pitchfork mobs was the right thing to do. I suggest you find another topic. When ppl find out their ancestors were part of these mobs it will hurt them.

I don't mean to be rude but I am not seeing any direct evidence that contradicts what we have gone over in this episode. All I am seeing is speculation on your part. And that is totally fine, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If you could take the sources we have referenced in this video and prove each account had made up the story that would be great!

I'm afraid I don't understand your comment. Are you saying that our titles on videos about Joseph Smith are lies? If so, I would love to see what evidence you have that shows what we are saying and putting in our titles are lies.

Either way what Brigham is doing is not okay. He is either announcing for the world how much he hates Emma. Or he is trying to advocate and get members to do the disgusting practice of Polygamy. I am sorry if you think we took something out of context, but either way what Brigham is doing is disgusting! And if you say what we are doing is ridiculous that is totally fine! You are more than welcome to your own opinion. But at the same time I would love to see some statements proving what we are saying is ridiculous. Obviously the church is going to whitewash it because they don't want people to actually know how bad the history is. That is why we are looking at papers and journals written at the time. I am not trying to be rude here. You have actually been very respectful and I really appreciate that! And I enjoy a civil debate.

@@BehindTheVeilOfficial Sorry, I think you may have misunderstood. I’m not saying that what you are doing is ridiculous. I am saying that the LDS church’s current narrative found in the gospel topic essays and the saints books is ridiculous, and I’m glad you are calling them out for it. I’m LDS but I believe we are dead wrong about polygamy. Correct, Brigham is in the wrong regardless. I just want to make sure you know that many of these quotes are given under very specific circumstances and their truth is questionable. Thanks for engaging.

I am so sorry for misreading your comment. That was my bad!! And thank you for reaching out and making sure that we are understanding the context around statements. You have been very nice and professional and I appreciate it!!

@@BehindTheVeilOfficial Hey, no problem. I watch and read a lot of content on this topic and find it fascinating. I just try and add context where I can. For example, it is highly doubtful that Emma ever tried to kill Joseph. It may be what Brigham said but it defies contemporary evidence. Where the two of you formerly LDS?

Yes, my one year of being out is coming up next week. And my co host, she has been out for almost 2 years now.

Thank you so much for your support!! We really appreciate it!! And thank you for bringing up those accounts of other women living in polygamy and the Danites! I will definitely have to look further into those stories!!

We are just presenting the evidence and accounts that we have found. Do you have any unbiased evidence the goes against what we have gone over? Or is it just your feeling that some of these conversations may have not happened? But if you have any unbiased evidence that contradicts what we have gone over in this video I would love to read over it.

@@BehindTheVeilOfficial No, I don’t have a contradicting statement for everything you’ve said but you are presenting all of these statements as fact. If you know the context surrounding many of the statements, you would see why they shouldn’t be trusted. I’m not saying that Joseph didn’t make some mistakes or that he didn’t practice polygamy but there is another side to this that you may be unaware of. William Mclellan is a good example, are you aware of why he said this? Even church historians admit that statement is very questionable. I do love your analysis of section 132 vs Jacob 2 though, this contradiction is very problematic for the church.

I'm glad you enjoyed our analysis of Section 132 vs Jacob 2! And there were multiple times in this video as well as others where we have said this is what we found and leave it up to the viewer to decide whether to believe it or not. And I apologize if we may have missed some context. We try our best to accurately portray what happened.

All we did was read people's journals, is that not the "real stuff". And what "real stuff" are you referring to? Could you point out specific points in the video where we were wrong and provide unbiased sources for what actually happened. I am totally open to feedback that has credible sources that are not biased.

@@BehindTheVeilOfficial let me ask you this, and I mean it seriously not just to harp on you. Have either of you legitimately studied the gospel of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? I know the story of Joseph Smith getting plates to translate seems a bit fantastical but so does Noah’s Ark and Moses parting the sea, and Jonas being swallowed by a whale!! But I do believe they happened and I do believe the Bible. But I also believe the Book of Mormon as it is a history of the Nephite’s and Lamanites and the gospel coincides with the Bible. There is NO WAY Joseph Smith could have written it in the timeframe he translated it. There’s also NO WAY he could have had all the legit details of the land and the history that actually happened. If you think so, then you give him credit for being brilliant and that simply was not the case! He was not well educated. A lot of people believed stories about Joseph that were untrue.

We both have studied the gospel and were strong believing members of that church for the longest time. We have both held lots of callings within the church. I don't mean to be rude but you dodged my question. You claim that the information we provided is false and I asked for unbiased information on what actually happened. Just because we are no longer believing members of that church doesn't mean that the information we have is false. If we are factually false on something we will fix it, but believing in the "gospel of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" does not invalidate the journals of the people who lived at the time. Again I don't mean to be rude! I am sure that you are a wonderful person just trying to defend what you believe in. But after doing my research into the history of the church I have decided to trust more in facts than feelings.

@@BehindTheVeilOfficial I’m sorry for you! I hope you truly figure it out! See the additional comment I added before I saw your reply

Additional note…I’m not trying to be rude to you either. It just hurts to see people lose their faith.

I am curious what you mean about it not ending well. Could you provide some more clarification on what you mean. And all we are doing is talking about the history of the church. We are not directly telling people to leave. That is their own decision.

@@BehindTheVeilOfficial I think you’ll look back on this one day and see nothing but sorrow and shame. It’s not yet too late to reexamine what you’re doing and think better of it. “Not directly”….do you hear yourself? My heart brakes for you.

I appreciate your concern for my future feelings. But we are pretty happy with what we are doing and if we regret it in the future then that's our problem. Also, I still stand by saying "Not directly" unless you can find anywhere in our videos where we have directly told people to leave.

Did they get something wrong? If so, what is it?

I apologize for the annoying scripted delivery! We will continue to work on improving the delivery of the information!! I appreciate the feedback!!

Could you point out specific parts on our video where we provided inaccurate information and provide your source of accurate information for said topic? We are committed to providing accurate information so we appreciate specific feedback.

She won’t. Hearsay is her only argument

What did they say that was incorrect? A lot of non-Mormons watch this content, and there are a lot of claims from believing members that are, like, “This information is wrong,” or “Do more research,” but the members won’t elaborate. It would do a lot for your cause, and help those of us who are trying to learn the truth, if you could specific the problem(s) with the video’s content.

Also side note I love how the mormon church makes Joseph smith out to be a martyr … no friends let’s call it what it is …. He was a criminal and manipulative and that’s about all he had going for him

That same church that sold indulgences to get to heaven? Catholic Church has some dark history like most systems, governments religious institutions. They all can go off the rails so easily

If you want to get rich, start a religion. - L. Ron Hubbard 💰💵💰💵

@@DancingQueenie There was no Great Apostasy. Joseph lied… 👍 Jesus and the apostles all died poor.

My church is the true one because my book says so. How original 🙄

@@sacadadeonda Do some research before you blather… Just saying. “History of the Catholic Church” by James Hitchcock. 👍

Of course! You are welcome to use this information! If would wouldn't mind linking us as the source that would be greatly appreciated.

There is nothing illogical about the Nicene Creed. God is simply beyond our human capacity to understand Him. God was NEVER a man like us. He is an eternal Spirit: uncreated, almighty, transcendent, and upholder of all things both seen and unseen. 😊😊😊

​@@petertherock7340 You and the Emperor Constantine will both have to prove me wrong beyond the veil. How about all 3 of us talk then to see if you 2 are correct and I'm wrong. I'm betting that Jesus is literally the son of God the Father. I won't bet money as money is worthless beyond the veil where we will find out who is right.

@@jaredvaughan1665 Constantine had nothing to do with the Catholic Church’s teaching on the Holy Trinity. In fact, Constantine was more inclined to agree with the Arians. We don’t have to prove anything. It is up to you to do actual research. The Catholic Church has never taught that God was once a man like us. That is a fact. 😊 😊 😊 See “Introduction to the Creeds” by Steve Ray.

​@@jaredvaughan1665I reject the Trinity and the LDS version of God. Jesus is the literal Son of God but that's where the LDS ceases to be accurate.

@@truthbebold4009 God was never a man. That is an infallible teaching of the Catholic Church. The Holy Trinity is the fullness of revelation. Mormons are simply confused and lost souls who have never learned the teachings of authentic Scripture. Joseph Smith tried to turn man into “god…” just as the ancient serpent tempted Eve in the ancient garden. Do not ride the “snake.” Follow Jesus instead. 🙏

Lust after children (just short of her 15th birthday) is worse than being “deceived.” Lusting after orphaned girls living in his house he called his foster daughters and seducing them is horrible. He was way worse than just fallible and human. He was a lustful, lying low life I wouldn’t want living anywhere near my family. Men like him slither through lives and cause irreparable damage.

@@jaredvaughan1665 I find portions of the scriptures unsettling. Nephi being commanded to kill Laban…Abraham being commanded to sacrifice Isaac…the first born of all Egyptians being killed so that Israel would be released from bondage… I don’t always understand why something is in the scriptures or how it got there. Nevertheless I believe they are a true account of God’s work in humanity told through mortal eyes. More importantly I place my hope in Christ and my faith that His chosen prophet and apostles will provide the most clear and accurate direction on how what He would have me know today. The Scriptures are so essential but they are not, nor are professed to be, perfect.

I generally agree with you on verses 4-33, I can see these as the new and everlasting covenant related to a monogamous sealing. What are your thoughts on verse 26 though? Does a sealing excuse you from all sin other than shedding innocent blood? 26 Verily, verily, I say unto you, if a man marry a wife according to my word, and they are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, according to mine appointment, and he or she shall commit any sin or transgression of the new and everlasting covenant whatever, and all manner of blasphemies, and if they commit no murder wherein they shed innocent blood, yet they shall come forth in the first resurrection, and enter into their exaltation; but they shall be destroyed in the flesh, and shall be delivered unto the buffetings of Satan unto the day of redemption, saith the Lord God.

Re visit you're understanding of proof. There is no proof that Joseph had any kind of supernatural relationship with a possible creator. There is substantial evidence against this position.

Ben Franklin was not a religious leader and never claimed to be. He was actually a Deist. Every religious leader is flawed, save Jesus alone. But being flawed and being a committed sexual predator isn’t exactly the same thing. It’s a matter of degrees.

@@jaredvaughan1665 God didn’t call Joseph. Joseph invented himself just like every cult leader. Ben Franklin? I’ve read a couple biographies and hadn’t heard he claimed to be a prophet. Did he seduce teenage girls? What religion did he make up?

@@AprilFriday-de6vm High virtues often travels with high vices. If Joseph drowned after the Church was restored, then that is between Joseph and God. The Church is God's church, not Joseph's. God could have chosen another King of Israel, but he chose flawed David, not for his bad qualities, but for his good qualities. Often times those who have the greatest virtues also have some of the greatest vices. Thankfully I read the Book of Mormon to come closer to Christ, not Joseph. I worship Jesus only.

@@jaredvaughan1665 you are certainly welcome to that opinion, despite the fact that you could make the same case for David Koresh, L Ron Hubbard, Rev Moon, and a hundred other founders of high-demand religions. Maybe David Koresh really was the one true prophet of God, but sleeping with teenagers was just an incidental flaw that occurred because extreme virtues and vices supposedly correlate? The more you look at how high-demand religions work, the more Joseph Smith fails to stand out.

Thank you so much!

Of course. They are brilliant at back pedaling.

My mom’s high school BFF and BYU roommate was told she’d have sonS and daughterS. She had 4 girls, a boy, 4 more girls then a boy. Waaaay too many kids they didn’t want and could not afford. Ruined her in every way. Her hub’s ambition was to be an apostle so he took this crap seriously. (He’s NOT an apostle, not even a bishop.)

Care to explain why mine was at least 90 percent wrong while I was a faithful member then? I was doing and believing everything I was taught by the church, but that still did not stop every promised blessing from failing. And this is not a matter of time for them to come true either, as they give specific times for certain blessings to happen.

@@sertinduhm6378 Your faith was tested and maybe you gave up too soon!

What about the 57 blessings that we have recorded from the 1800s that said these people will live to see the second coming. But every single one of them had passed away, and clearly the 2nd coming has not happened yet. So you are saying that every single one of those people was not righteous enough for that blessing to come true?

@@GeorgeDemetz no. I did not give up too soon. Once again, the time for said blessings already passed. They were on a time limit set by God and the Patriarch. Furthermore, I came to disbelieve the BOM the more I read it. Lots of unanswerable questions.

@@BehindTheVeilOfficial I have to admit that sometimes these priesthood blessings are not inspired, and that reminds me of a blessing I gave to my grandfather to not die. It was not the Lords will, and I was not worthy to have that much power as the Book of Mormon (Jacob) stated that no one could do such a miracle unless he were cleansed from sin every whit! Continued...

Chad’s version was everything. Same cadence, same images, same you-are-so-special message, same vision of a glorious future. Same bull schtick.