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glad you enjoyed! I have the same role, and its super solid. My buddy I usually run with uses that exact roll. nothing wrong trading the bonus damage of explosive payload for the AOE of firefly, especially when one for all is already giving so much extra damage.

Cuz tbh i just didnt care to grind a different role lol. Just wanted trench barrel cuz the origin trait refunds enough bullets on melee hits for me. Prop coulda gone with field prep but dual loader aint too shabby. There are def better perks than dual loader tho.

For end game content this role is 100% solid

and thats honestly not a bad thing! explosive firefly is solid for low and mid tier content, and tremors is better for end game. If you have a solid fatebringer for mid level content, and you have a tremors roll of the coup, then you are rocking it.

is this... aura?

It’s certainly a decent roll! I would recommend holding onto it man. I will warn you, explosive payload and rampage don’t stack. Rampage is the only damage perk to not stack. In fact, a x3 rampage midnight coup (33% damage) does more damage than a x3 rampage + explosive payload midnight coup (31% damage). It’s currently a bad bugged interaction. But I will say, explosive payload does make it easier to get that first kill or two to keep rampage rolling in most levels of content. I kept that roll for that exact reason.

Midnight works at every level of the game! If you already have a midnight, don’t go for a fatebringer. I’d wait til they remaster the VoG weapons

Yup. Pretty easy. id say explosive one for all is the better role as it supplies similar dps as kinetic tremors but on all targets. But in certain content, like contest mode or grandmaster content, kinetic tremors can go crazy on tons of encounters. Its good to have both.

I could totally see that. Personally, if I am going to do build synergy, i tend to stick with elemental primaries. So for handcannons, zoulis bane on solar (for incan), ancient gospel for void (naturally gains volatile rounds on void and prismatic, but aslo has destabilizing rounds), nation of beasts for arc (volt shot for ionic traces and ad clear), and a head stone hand cannon (a few options now for stasis)... the only one im not down for using is strand as I don't think any strand hand cannon currently posses top tier endgame perks yet. so in that case id prob use an osmosis fatebringer.

@ absolutely. I mean if I’m going for ACTUAL build synergy then yeah I will use any one of those other offerings. But for meme shit line Altars of Sorrows for…whatever reason, lmao then yeah it’s fun to bring out every once in a while. Also as far as a Strand hand cannon, I’m sure you’re already well aware of Better Devils and all it has to offer, but I am curious as to what you mean by “top tier endgame perks”, cause it seems to be the most Strand hand cannon ever

Yeah! I wouldn’t mind explaining why I don’t like better devils in pve. Realistically, for strand synergy, the go to would be hatchling and slice right? Well neither of those perks are exactly excellent. Slice performs better on other weapon frames, and hatchling simply is just worse than Incan, destabilizing, volt shot, head stone, and kinetic tremors. Really the only “strand synergy” benefit that means anything on better devils is the ease of making tangles so that you can shoot them or throw them. As for pure weapon performance, it’s not great. The most of the S tier hand cannons include explosive payload + either a damage perk or subclass synergy perk (a subclass perk that does damage while also working with subclass verbs. So slice doesn’t make the cut). Better devils doesn’t have that. If explosive payload was in the left hand column, then you would be able to roll it with tons of other damage perks. But sadly, explosive payload is in the same column as perks like frenzy or one for all. Your best options are likely demo/pugilist/reconstruction + explosive payload. are these combos bad? No, not at all. But in high end content, this gun is going to hit like a pea shooter. The amount of demo/puglist procs won’t be much, and reconstruction on a hand cannon, which you will be emptying consistently, won’t feel amazing. So these parks aren’t too crazy in the current sand box. This is a strand gun, so it automatically does 10% less damage than kinetics. Explosive payload will make this weapon essentially hit as hard as a kinetic hand cannon with no damage perk. I’d let this slide, as most players tend to do for guns like zoulis bane, if it could roll hatchling in the left hand column as it at least has something to with ad clear, even though it’s not amazing, but it’s not in that column. Sure, it does have one for all, but at that point, use a different strand weapons. This is just my opinion but I do think strand 140 rpm hand cannons don’t compete perk wise with the other elements or kinetics, nor do they compare to other strand primary types. But if you HAD to use a strand 140 rpm hand cannon, I’d prob go with a demo/puglist + explosive payload better devils… kept confidence is just not a good pve hand cannon so you are kinda stuck with better devils.

I disagree. It does not clear it by miles. It’s close my friend.

I do agree fatebringer does look better. It definitely captures that classic destiny weapon aesthetic that I wish many more weapons would do. Sadly the aesthetic of destiny 2 is much more akin to power rangers or mobile games nowadays in my opinion. The vibes of destiny has sorta left the game. Either way, I do have friends that feel the exact same way about midnight coup. It certainly looks and feels different. For me, it is the barrel. I sorta had to get used to the gun after using fatebringer for so long, but after trying out one for all, its impossible for me to go back. it is just too much damage. But use whats comfortable! that is what matters most when playing end game content. As long as the perks are solid on both options, choose what you think you will perform best with and what you can rely on when things get tough. If you like how fatebringer feels and looks, there is nothing wrong with sticking with it. It is tried and true. The perks are not bad by any means. I just wanted to highlight the clear advantage of midnight coup, and if you choose to eventually migrate and get used to it, I promise it will serve you well.

Yeah for sure the meta has certainly evolved past it. Although, I will say, if your goal is to get an explosive payload frenzy midnight coup, the difference between fatebringer and midnight coup only comes down to enhanced perks and origin traits, and that is such a small difference. I would toss it up to feel at that point. Midnight coup certainly has perks that outperform fatebringer though. I hope they renew VoG weapons soon.

I think it depends on the kinetic and the builds. Over all, things like area of denial GLs are way better at transcending, but certain kinetic weapons are really good in things like day one raids. I would not use a kinetic weapon on a solar, void, or arc builds. A lot of the subclass synergy comes from the weapons. Things like incandescent don’t matter much on prismatic.

I’m sayin the same thing homie

You are actually right! Midnight coup is a former 150 rpm handcannon, now 140 rpm. It is a light weight frame handcannon, unlike fatebrigner, meaning the reload and handling is actually superior to that of fatebringer. This is partially why I recommend midnight coup, as explosive payload makes up for less range, and one for all can be used for more damage, and you don’t need the reload boost of frenzy.

Haha yeah. I clear my vault of unused weapons every new dlc. I usually get back to full vault towards the end of a content year, but I like starting a new dlc with tons of space.

I think explosive payload and frenzy is solid. I just think one for all is a good bit better because it’s way higher in damage, and the hand cannon has high reload at base due to being a lightweight frame 140, so you don’t need the reload bonus. But frenzy is also really good. Palindrome needs to come back tho I agree. It feels way better than gospel imo, and I’m surprised it’s not back yet.

Yup! Although midnight coup is the “better” option, ultimately when it comes down to it, the weapon that feels more comfortable to use is what’s going to carry you.

Kinda irrelevant but I hope that if bungie ever updates the vog weapons they also bring back the age of triumph armor from destiny 1 like they did with the crota armor

Yessss I loved the warlock and titan chest pieces so much.

It’s a solid role. Keep using it homie. But yeah I agree. Fatebringer with some newer perks would be awesome. But also the raid has a bunch of weapons in solid weapon frame archetypes. So some new perks would be amazing.

I always believed that rewind rounds should have been an origin trait for vog weapons.

I dunno. Maybe like a baby version of it. Might be a lil broken if they made it straight up an origin trait haha. I will say, I don’t like that perks like bait and switch, reconstruction, rewind rounds, and other raid perks are just normal on random legendary weapons now. Raids should have unique perks forever, which makes them forever a standard of loot.

I do agree that explosive payload and frenzy together make an excellent role, and if that’s your desired role, and you don’t care much for enhanced perks or an origin trait, fatebringer adept is certainly easier to acquire that role through spoils and Templar farming. In terms of “better” roles, midnight coup has an intrinsically faster base reload as it is a light weight frame, so the reload bonus of frenzy isn’t as needed. This, in combination with the way higher bonus damage of one for all (35%) as high up time if not higher than frenzy in most modern day content, makes it a better perk than frenzy. Hence why most day one raiders and content creators that use it in raids gravitate towards that role nowadays. One for all with firefly or explosive payload has near constant uptime. But frenzy requires almost nothing. Both perks activate by just playing though. It’s preference. I do think people are still a little stuck on frenzy though for end game content as it’s not really a game changing perk like on for all is when it comes to time to kill. But it has other stat bonuses that one for all doesn’t have. So like I said, preference. Fatebringer is def easier to get the explosive payload and frenzy role, and yes, with the adept, will save vault space. However, most new players for what ever reason will not go into a hard mode raid to get the initial drop, let alone farm, purely because they simply avoid LFG for some reason. So for those players, midnight coup is easy to attune and has numerous solid roles to boot. There are bonuses to both hand cannons. I kinda wish I went over the perks of actually farming each gun in this video but sadly I didn’t. One other thing I probably should have highlighted is weapon comfort. If one option feels better to use in pve, probably use that even if the perks are slightly different. What ever is more comfortable to use is generally what I recommend for end game content, unless the weapon is just out right worse in every way.

@@Olgod2004 does tresh frenzy on fatebringer matter or nah?

@@yol_n I assume you meant thresh frenzy. I would say no. The goal of a kinetic hand cannon is straight damage. explosive payload and frenzy on fatebringer does that better. and if you want a super regen perk, believe it or not, kinetic tremors actually supplies faster super regen on tremors hits. Midnight coup is simply the better option for almost everything. I have a video coming out that explains all of the upsides and downsides of the perk, as well as the best weapon types to use it on.

Personally I could never go back to the OG midnight as outlaw and rampage is so power krept. I would not mind getting a new one with explosive payload and rampage together, but they need to fix the bug between the two perks first. But if that’s your mojo, keep goin man! I remember using that weapon a good bit. The thing was fun to use.

Very real 😀

I completely agree with you. They should come back. At least periodically. It gave so much life to the onslaught grind.

Yessir. Def haven’t used the handcannon as much this episode as area of denial GLs are currently smacking, and rocket side arms exist. But if I have to use a hand cannon, it’s either explosive payload OFA midnight or explosive payload incandescent zaoulis bane. Explosive payload kinetic is great in grandmasters and day one raids/dungeons. I’d try and get it.

@@Olgod2004 One day I'll get my last 3 craft patterns for Zaouli's lol. For now I'll suffice with my Demo +Explosive roll until then for energy legendary HC, or Heal Clip/Incan Lunas Howl

@@Equivalate heal clip incan on lunas howl is still amazing! but yeah, hopefully you get those patterns soon enough. I do kingsfall runs constantly so if you ever want to run something just hit me up.

thats fair. Id say you are probably still better off using a void arc solar stasis or strand hand cannon though if you care for the synergy. kinetics tend to just be for pure killing power. but something like an osmosis frenzy roll on fatebringer aint too bad.

haha yeah i empty vault space prior to every new expansion. Towards the end of the year I tend to get full. Either way, the weapons I recommended in the video arent optimal by any means. It is more just weapon types new raiders should ensure they have. Rocket side arms and area of denial special GLs are great and are amazing for ad clear and damage swaps, but for the average new player, a fusion/sniper for back up damage and then a solid heavy weapon or too will be enough to clear. I based this video off of weapons I tend to recomend to newer players when I teach them a raid.

“As a redditor”

I think the shader I showed on the sniper is cryptic legacy. There are only 2 area of denial GLs currently. The stasis one is from episode echoes, and you can just go play and get it by spending engrams or getting it to drop. It is craftable too. The void area of denial GL comes from vespers, so it is a little harder to grind. I recommend getting the stasis one as it is great in prismatic loadouts and it has autoloading holster.

Yeahhhhhh this was just a place holder thumbnail haha. But I like the gun so I might just keep it.

no problemo. Its nothing too fancy. As you attempt master raids and grandmaster nightfalls, you probably are gonna wanna grow your weapon selection beyond the stuff I mention in this video. But, the weapon concepts I go over in this video will get you through any raid or dungeon.

Yup! If you want more damage than fatebringer with similar on demand up time, explosive payload + oneforall. If you want champion damage, explosive payload + kinetic tremors. If you want firefly with some damage, one for all is way better than explosive payload. Its sort of a open and shut matter imo. Midnight is just better.

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Yeah, Rose slaps Oh, you meant pve

She midnight on my coup till i explosive payload

She mid on my night til I coup

@@-quantomwraith-9393so hilarious. I love Reddit!

I might just be goofy lol

Firefly activating one for all on nearly every kill is crazy

sadly nah. I was in college at the time and currently I still am. I had a big exam that I needed to sleep for and study for so I had to hop off after the first run. I was just glad to have crota on contest under my belt at least. If they bring back wrath I am gonna book out time to actually commit to it. Crota kinda happened out of no where for me.

I know I just had a picture of it haha. Its a place holder. Ill have a thumbnail eventually. Im just busy with college rn.