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cannon are much better in terms of dps, but siphos are still great at crowd control, but very challenging to use it in the current meta edit: both unit excel in different situation, narrow long corridor? cannon narrow chokepoint? siphos under enemy ranged fire? cannon enemy spam siege equipments? cannon enemy spam infantries only? siphos there's a lot of different situation ask for 2 different unit, look at the map, look how how others are using the unit, then learn what fits what situation not to mention it highly depends on your playstyle, would you like to play hit and run, or roll and shoot, shoot and scoot?

@Jm_-db1ie I felt they are made for different situations, and quite often in ranked I feel that fireman would fit so great against enemy phalanx spam at choke points, but my concern was it's ability to make kills. I think it does not have the same capabilities to make a good amount of kills and is much more of a support unit, it may win some battles for me, but I am gonna be like an unrecognized hero, also I was concerned about how difficult is it to use the unit since it's range is not really safe and survivability is extremely low

yes, this is old vid before the nerf, they are cap at 18m as of today.

ye, but like 50/50, sometimes do well, sometimes do bad o3o, mainly because of the changes in meta

yeeeet

@@Jm_-db1ie loool

ye, but this video is quite outdated, unless they make temporary doctrine achievable again

when i first got them, i went bottom line. they felt like throwaway unit (do a lot of damage in 1 single charge, but dont survive), but top line granting dmg reduction, combine with doctrines they survive pretty well, long enough to cause a lot of chaos

bruh

no, u cant obtain anymore, at least for the time being, they have disabled the way to obtain it

I have some stuff going on in rl (uni), don't really have time to do video atm 😅. I'll try to get back in Jan when stuff are settled down

take you time man your doing good!@@Jm_-db1ie

It's outdated mainly because of the changes to the siphos, 2 seasons back, if you aim it right, you can shoot and cover up to 30m of distance. They changed it so they can only hit up to 18m, which is a huge nerf in this guide, which mainly shows how to aim up to 30m, which is the huge advantage. Now that they nerfed the range, with cc immune maul spin, cc immune epic schematic poleaxe, yyd, and all that kind of shit, it extremely difficult and limited the use of siphonariori in the meta. I rather take a coconut and spam V against an infantry blobs now

Ah, idk it was nerfed that hard, to 18 M, Thx for the info!

tbh this guide is sorta outdated

could you please tell me what changed ?@@Jm_-db1ie I was just about to recommend some pp to watch it

still bug the last node on top? @@Jm_-db1ie

i kept telling u guys.. it's impossible to get that op doctrine.. why you guys keep thinking i still have that doctrine..

@@Jm_-db1ie i can hardly believe these boys fire that fast. Were they buffed or something? seems like they shoot 3 4 times on a good charge. Do look like fun units.

th-cam.com/video/8NI75RxuuMU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=J9aN0_OMEV5hdxN watch this

yes bottom veterancy

@@Jm_-db1ie ok thank you!

Liaos are brawler, their gun are only useful at close range when using guncharge. Liaos could sustain itself in a close quarter but are currently out of meta due to power creep in the meta Firelancer are skirmisher, their gun are accurate and powerful up to 50m away, they would barrage during their charges. They fair extremely bad in the current meta in close quarter. They are also plagued by bug and bad AI, it does takes some time to learn how to use the unit properly. I have made a unit guide for firelancer, you could check it up

working on it, new season ranked going well with firelancer *evil laughing*

@@Jm_-db1ie the Best player

HAHAH, but they deleted your camels xDD

@@Jm_-db1ieyep, that why i put cry face xD

please refer to this video :D th-cam.com/video/8NI75RxuuMU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=J9aN0_OMEV5hdxNo

@@Jm_-db1ie Thanks for the link, I'll check it out. I see that the current Firelancer can shoot very fast. I will try to copy you from the new season.

oh boy, yea i remember you as well xD had fun being "stuck" in the ground? xD

this is with the broken doctrine, check other video, i have made one guide without the doctrine, and one montage, and another one is wip

yes

jav serg when im on map which supply point are either hard to access to takes too long back and forth. imp jav when know there will be teamfight around choke point that i can save ammo for heroes and throw shields on frontline fight while safe in teammate shield formations

没，没被nerf 我个人有2种猜想为何不射击 1 - 冲锋时，有敌人在50米以内,但不在射击范围内（在后面）， 老关宁的ai会bug因为不能向后射击，直到近距离才开始射击 2 - 有敌人在老关宁的阵型中，让老关宁的ai不射击而是打击。就算是在一两个关宁的近战范围，还是会影响其余的关宁

Oh no jorvis. Not at the moment, homeless for the next 1 week

@@Jm_-db1ie oh that doesnt sound nice

@@jorisv207 nah, it's not

Not really, did experimented a bit with blast Liao's, but still didn't like it

@@Jm_-db1ie how about monastics?

@@mattb7450 uhh, not really a fan of it, might give it a go during doctrine removal

@@Jm_-db1ie whens doc removal?

@@mattb7450 today, I think

This video was when I had the 8s firerate reduction doctrine, I would recommend you to check out more recent videos

@@Jm_-db1ie Is the 8s firerate reduction doctrine still obtainable?

@@wetshredder4962 No, unfortunately they have turned off all possible way to receive temporary doctrine (prob due to this video). (Daily 3 battles, Weekly Ranked Battle, Titles Rewards)

@@Jm_-db1ie you cant even use them anymore

@@husher2527 sorry, what do you mean?

hey ya, thanks a lot ^^

我有四个关宁啊 晋升和不晋升的上下线各一个

You may refer to this video. th-cam.com/video/8NI75RxuuMU/w-d-xo.html

@@Jm_-db1ie thank you!

Which bug are you referring to?

@@Jm_-db1ie I was referring to the rapid fire shooting for the fire lancers. At least I’m assuming it’s a bug because that seems OP lol

@@jackziemniak that one is due to a temporary doctrine you get from daily 3 battles, reduce 8 sec in between their each shots. Their original fire rate is 7s with bottom line being 6s, with the doctrine it became machinegun. And of course I'm also the reason why temporary doctrine rewards are removed from the game xd

With Jm, yes they're 😊