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Vintage Shimano
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Videos from Bobby at Vintage Shimano.com, the UK source for quality serviced and New-old-stock vintage Shimano components for bicycles.
Totally new to making videos!
www.vintageshimano.com
Totally new to making videos!
www.vintageshimano.com
Adding tension to Rear Derailleur B Tension Assembly.
Assembling the B-Tension assembly on 90s rear derailleurs is pretty tricky. I was asked by one of my instagram followers if I could show how I do it, I have a few different techniques, but this one is probably the easiest and requires the least tooling.
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Servicing Simplex Retrofiction Shift Levers
มุมมอง 3.8K4 ปีที่แล้ว
Servicing Simplex Retrofiction Shift Levers
Shimano 600 Pantograph Clean up by Vintage Shimano
มุมมอง 2.3K5 ปีที่แล้ว
A short video showing how I restore pantographing on cleaned parts. I use enamel paint marketed for model makers by Humbrol and a fine brush before removing the excess. This 6200GL rear mech will be like new!
105 Golden Arrow Rear Mech - The Works - Full Strip, Pantograph, Rebuild by Vintage Shimano
มุมมอง 3.5K5 ปีที่แล้ว
In this video I strip, clean, re-pantograph and rebuild a first generation 105 rear mech. There are a few bits were you should grease springs etc and I haven't (this was mostly to keep my hands clean for the clarity of the video. I've put text in the video to guide you. Let me know what you think and what parts you would like to see done next. All music is by Jeff Kaale ( soundcloud.com/jeff-ka...
First Gen Dura-Ace Front Derailleur rebuild by Vintage Shimano
มุมมอง 8545 ปีที่แล้ว
This first generation Dura-Ace front derailleur had already been cleaned ultrasonically, they are beautifully engineered, the tricky bit as always is tensioning the spring without hurting your fingers. I'm going to record a better version of this you can follow along with once I sort out a better camera and mic! Available at www.vintageshimano.com UK based, ships worldwide. Website : www.vintag...
Shimano 600EX Arabesque Shift Lever Restoration by Vintage Shimano
มุมมอง 5K5 ปีที่แล้ว
These SL-6200 Arabesque shift levers were caked in old grease and the pantographing had seen better days. They had an ultrasonic bath, a bit of wire brushing and new paint before being rebuilt. Available at www.vintageshimano.com UK based, ships worldwide. Website : www.vintageshimano.com Facebook: vintageshimano Instagram: vintageshimano Twitter : vintag...
Shimano 600 Rear Derailleur Restoration by Vintage Shimano
มุมมอง 14K5 ปีที่แล้ว
A full restoration on a 600 Rear Derailleur. It was absolutely filthy and needed fully stripped, ultrasonic, new pantographing and rebuilding. Available at www.vintageshimano.com UK based, ships worldwide. Website : www.vintageshimano.com Facebook: vintageshimano Instagram: vintageshimano Whatsapp me : wa.me/ 447595507770 Look out for promo codes on all my socials!
How do you dismantle? Get spring out to clean? Tvm
Thank you brother
If that spring/pivot is stuck fixed, can that cause the chain to skip ? New chain and new sprockets.
Possession of a pair of disembodied dowtube shifter bosses is high-grade shaman shit. If you wore that as an amulet around your neck, i promise that NOBODY will dare to fuck with you, not even cybernetic vampires. Stay blessed, and thanks for an informative video.
Ive seen this narcissistic shitbag salesman 1000 times.
Kurp is such an idiot on China. Baffling
Hello! What is the liquid bath you throw this into? 🙏 thanks
i have a really old shimano SIS rear derailleur with no B screw, can i do this so it has better chain retention? as is is it is slipping when i pedal hard
Bruh its not that easy youre making it look
Thank you, this helped me a lot!!
A very interesting video - now I know how they work; thank you - I never dared to take mine apart! For a while, these were supplied with Allen key screws to attach them to the frame. The versions using a flat blade screwdriver get a bit chewed up over time, as per those used for your excellent demonstration. I wonder if the Allen key screws are available as spares?
Off the top of my head I think they are just M5 socket button screws, I'm not 100% sure of the diameter of the head or the length of the shank right now, but If you have the original flathead version you could measure it easily. The flathead screws aren't the best.
@@VintageShimano Thank you - I'll see what's available.
Thank you for your video. You helped me figure out where the leftover part went when I was putting it back together. @6:30, RE: The tricky bit: my derailleur was a bit worn and it was quite difficult to load the B-spring while holding the derailleur body at the same time-- the spring kept slipping out of the groove inside the parallelogram and was starting to round out the top of the groove. I mounted the bracket axle bushing upside-down in a vise and, with the pulley cage removed, assembled the parallelogram on to the axle bushing. While pushing down and rotating the parallelogram, I had finer control over the rotation and got the tab on the bracket over the stop on the parallelogram. After that, putting the C-clip on was easy the easy part. Thanks again.
Can you do a Shimano 600ex crank set, or brake caliper set .. what kind of black paint is to be used.
Hi, great video! Would you use this group to mount a gravel bike? I found a Columbus sl tubeset with this group mounted for a reasonable price. Thanks!!
Thanks, this helped a lot with my Shimano 600 repair. Greetings from Zeeland
Can you say what paint you used?
What kind of paint do you use? I have an arabesque too, and I would like to do the same
This is for the alternate universe left drive bicycle
A far more noble timeline, indeed.
The mechanism is the same as "clutch" in a roller blind, giving low friction when raising but high friction at rest and when lowering the blind, thus allowing the bottom weight to tension the blind without dragging it down, whilst also allowing the blind to be easily raised. Until the mechanism eventually fails (typically the spring breaks) the effect is so good, it just feels right in both directions.
I have just received a derailleur and it has no b plate only a bolt. It has a b screw. Is this b plate necessary for adjustment of b screw.
Where can i get parts , need like a small bolt for the jockey wheel
You've done a good job explaining how they work. Thank you. But do you have any tips on how to service them, if the friction is no longer working?
If the friction is no longer working the inner spring will probably be broken.
Mine are auto shifting on climbs, especially when I stand. Any suggestions?
If you have these Simplex shifters; they shouldn’t (unless they have not been tightened enough, which is easily remedied with a screwdriver). On the other hand, like one of mine did, some time ago, the spring may have snapped. If you take it apart you may find that the bent spring end no longer restrains the spring to the slot, leaving it free to rotate, not providing the resistance to avoid auto shifting. You can get around that, for a while, by tightening the screw. But that’s not the way they should work.
Wowww! Que gran trabajo! Un gran saludo from Argentina!!
Thanks! Your video helped me a lot while assembling mine!
Nice video ! I Neede it when i am going to fix my Shimano derailleur ✌️
Don't grease a Simplex retrofriction shifter! If you can't help yourself, a tiny drop of oil or a smear of grease, but lubricants *undo* the action of the spring's friction. The way the spring works, btw, is the change of inner diameter of the spring when force is applied *against* the coiled direction, thus releasing the friction grip on the post it sits on. This makes for friction increased in one direction, and reduced in the other. The principle was pioneered in early cash registers!
I might have been a bit heavy handed with the grease. I only intended to put a thin film to protect against corrosion.
Great video with attention to details. I'm working on a miyata mtb modifying it to drop bar and downtube shifters. The downtube is 32mm OD and no braze on bosses on it. I'm looking for a solution on how to install shimano downtube shifters in this situation. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Great film !!! Quick question, i have the 105 group set on my Raleigh Panasonic Corsa .. problem is that when i change to a higher gear when climbing a hill the chain keeps jumping back to the lower gears under load when climbing. Frustrating. Could you kindly suggest the solution! Thanks DJ
It could be a number of things, most likely a mis-sized chain, or worn parts. I'd suggest you speak to your local friendly bike mechanic about it
Solution... Tightened the screw on the shifter handle ..
Fettling with my bike , decided to clean the and dismantle the rear derailleur on my Raleigh Panasonic 1985.. got into a right pickle getting the tension back.. Your a life saver .. ! Thank you VERY much.
Hi, the B-tension on my Shimano Deore derailleur is weak, I've taken it apart and given it all a good clean. What I notice on re-assembly is that it springs freely until I fully tighten the bolt onto the mech hanger, as though that's crushing the seal that it's supposed to rotate on. Have you come across this? Thanks.
It sounds like you might have a seal or bushing missing? Are you sure all the parts are installed?
@@VintageShimano Thanks for the prompt response. All parts definitely accounted for. The behaviour is about the same compared to before the strip-down and rebuild. I will take it apart again just in case I messed something up with the rebuild. Cheers.
@@VintageShimano Aha! Some grime I'd missed under the head of the bolt was the cause. That's nicely seated on the washer and it's springing freely again when fully tightened.
@@thepandaman glad to hear it!
hi , i had exactly the same issue as of now , can you guys tell me what i exactly need to do , i read about the bushing and stuff but i'm still confused , my rear derailleur spring works just fine until i install the wheels on , the spring tension will just gone after that
Pls make more videos for new generation rider that is not familiar specialy old parts
That's a good idea!
How did you remove the bolt out of the shifter?
Do you grease the jockey wheels?
Grease or oil the bushing in the middle, but not the teeth
Hi, how did you put back together the spring you removed at 1:57min (attachment to the frame)? thx for the great video
Put the spring in, then the bracket axle bushing which is the chromed part that goes on top of the spring. Put the pivot bolt though this assembly. Then I squeeze the assembly together with my fingers while rotating the b-screw plate with a pair of pliers until the little nub on it goes behind the stop on the body of the derailleur.
RJ has a video where he does it, he holds the bolt in a vice with a hex wrench. th-cam.com/video/L5KWFhzIPoc/w-d-xo.html from 14.50 or so, this system hasn't changed in 30 years and is pretty much universal among shimano rear mechs (except the AX series')
thx a lot. Yeah I watched the video from RJ but I feel like the bracket axle bushing is pressed to the grey plastic part, which I find impossible to re-assemble till now. Am I wrong?
@@aurelienblond4786 the grey plastic part I think you're referring to goes over the back of the assembly once it's assembled, it's mostly just there to keep things clean it's not essential
@@VintageShimano thx for your help. I meant the plastic part that retains the pivot bolt, I think it is essential. Does Jorge Vargas Azocar (below comment) have the same issue?
What is the paint you're used for this
Humbrol model enamel in gold. I think it's number 14 in their range.
Saludos desde México 👍
Hello, I was thinking about buying a bike with this front and rear derailleur, do you think these derailleurs are good quality and how do you rate the shifting quality of the front and rear derailleurs. The bike I'm thinking of buying has Gloden Arrow even though I would have preferred Suntour VX or Cyclone. I'd like your opinion on this.
They are great derailleurs if they are serviced, very well made, hard to break, reliable.
Thanks for your opinion, appreciated.
Hello. Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I have one question. Why you don't put the grease into the bolt and spring? I always add pretty big amount of it in these parts. I would like to just hear your opinion.
I do, I just don't do it on video sometimes for clarity, to keep my hands clean so it's clearer what I am doing. I plan to remake my videos with step by step instructions at a later date. Thanks for your question
Thanks for the video! Is it possible that you could disessambly an 600 arabesque lever and then show how to assmbly again?
I am looking for the same thing! 🙏😊
This is same process to alivio rd silver color?
Should be pretty much the same
Dang skipped over the hardest part
Holaa saludos desde Perú 🇵🇪 que hermoso trabajo necesito una de esas splinter para mi bicicleta jd 👍
That helped!! Thank you
Hi, thanks for the video However, the picture is mirror imaged. I ended up watching it at 0.25 speed in a mirror. Also, I think the most challenging reassembly step is missing (bracket axle assembly). It took me several days to figure out a method using an extra hanger bracket to keep the inner assembly from sliding off the bracket axle, yet loose enough to allow enough clearance for the guide pins to move past each other while I loaded the spring. I might have figured this out sooner, but mine is frame mounted (70's Superia Apollo Super Star, Ishiwata 022 CrMo). After successful assembly, I just removed the bracket and installed the completed derailleur back on the frame lug.
I have a few more awaiting reassembly, and better video editing software now so hopefully the next video is more useful for this. (This one was edited on a phone) The extra hanger as a stop is a really good idea, I might start doing it my self!
I wouldn't call that a restoration, it's a cleaning. You did nothing to restore it to it's original shape. Still covered in scratches.
I do also re-polish and shape parts but not in this instance. "Restoration" performs better in search, unfortunately not every part can be given the full allotment of time economically.
@@VintageShimano I am wanting to do a restoration of an 1990's Shimano 105 groupset but need to know how to re-do the lettering after scratch removal and re-paint.
@@devin4560 H Lloyd cycles might be able to make reproduction decals for you, the paint on 1055sc parts is electrostatic so it's very hard wearing. Powder coat might be similar?
Just nostalgia, i do have tourney shimano 600 gset
I need your help please. there is a part of the parts assembly that is missing. I disassembled this piece and cannot put it in. please. Do you have any email where I can contact you? thank you.
vintageshimano at gmail dot com. Send me a picture of the parts you are struggling with
Could you please tell me where the b screw ist located?
There is no B-screw on this model. Just a plate for the top spring to push against.
@@VintageShimano oh ok thank you!
That's pretty cool the Shimano dura ace down tube shifters keep moving on hard efforts despite tightening the bolt. Is there a modern alternative of this? Also thank you this is helpful.
If it's slipping there's likely too much grease inside. You want just a thin film of grease
I'm pretty certain that Arabesque shifters were cast like that, not pantographed.
That's entirely true, but people search for this style using that phrase. I think it's technically called filigree
Filigree means something different to me but I might be wrong. Anyway, it's good to know that Arabesque levers can be refurbished like this. Thanks for the video.
Cool design! Picked up the Gipiemme Retrofriction version. "Top hat" piece is nicely machined steel and spring fits in lever without external relief being cut. My big question is what kind of grease or wax is specified for the spring interface, as that surely can effect the function. Mine has more of a waxy feel which could be the film left from lighter grease having dried up after a few decades. Any idea about what came with these?
No idea what it was originally, but I use white lithium and it works perfectly, I think you could use any quality grease
@@VintageShimano Yeah, I just finished rebuilding my set and used Finish Line Grease. Seems to work fine once I tighten the screw down enough. Glad I tore them apart as the front shifter had been assembled without any grease and I needed to clean some rust away. The other rear shifter as I said feels as it had a wax like product. I recall someone servicing other friction shifters with a beeswax formulation. Perhaps that was in mine though I can't rule out that being done by a prior owner.
I see one fellow mentioning using Molypaste which can be used for lubricating press fits. Very thick for heavy loads. A marine version might be excellent for this application.
@@bcc1955 The grease in these is largely there just as a rust preventative, these are all good options
I understand that Gipiemme retrofriction levers were actually manufactured for Gipiemme by Simplex. Same with some "Gipiemme" front & rear derailleurs, which are more obviously Simplex.