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Thanks for commenting:-) I think many underplay how his introduction of taekwondo into North-Korea would affect South Koreans view of him at the time. He being one of the people to essentially create the modern Korean army (no he’s not the founder of the Korean army but he studied abroad and was a modern army pioneer in Korea before the divide), he essentially founded that army’s close quarter combat program (Oh Do Kwan, and it’s Taekwondo) which was used extensively in the Vietnam War. This army pioneer, close quarter combat program founder then travels to a country (or part of the country) that they’re actually still formally at war with, and goes out of his way to introduce that CQC program there. He being a former general and ambassador/ diplomat for the South Korean government it would seem like he could have given North Korea a whole lot more than just taekwondo if you look at it from where they are coming from. I’m not saying he did, but I do understand how the South Korean government could see it that way, but ITF orgs downplay this a lot and makes it seem as the South Korean government didn’t have any cause for seeing it their way. The government did see him negatively before his trip to North Korea too, which is why he relocated to the west in the first place (for fear of his and his family’s safety).

@@joaoguilhermebastos519 thanks for commenting :-) If you think Hwang Kees forms are too much, perhaps just introduce Naihanchi/chulgi 1? That one contains the essence of karate which is one of taekwondo’s roots and it is a form Hwang Kee taught. If that is too little the 5 pyungahns are a great summary of taekwondo’s karate roots too, and you’ll really only need the first 3 for the essence as the last two are “advanced class” :-) that way you can get by introducing few forms (or a single one) and still have a link back to your Kwan roots :-) when we neared grading in our dojang (like the last session before grading I would teach Chulgi Chudan (1) Hyung instead of our normal material because the students would either be ready for grading or it would be too late to correct them (last session before grading usually is a day before). This way they got to learn a direct form back to their Kwan roots.

Thank you 🙏🙇‍♂️

@@NedunchezhiyanSamudi thanks🙏🤩

@@NedunchezhiyanSamudi thanks🙏🤩

@@physitaku thanks for that wonderful comment :-) The Chang Hon style I am demonstrating here is done to the kukkiwon movement standard, so the Chang Hon style refers to the form itself as Choi Hong Hi explains in his book that the Chang Hon Ryu refers to the forms he made. Today many people consider Chang Hon Ryu to be ITF Taekwon-Do, but at least in the beginning Choi says that Chang Hon Ryu refers to the collection of forms he made. I hope that makes sense :-) I’ll share more Chang Hon forms in the future :-)

Chon-Ji Hyung (or Tul) was introduced in the 1960s (somewhere between 1960-65, but far from all styles of taekwondo practised it. Today it’s usually practised in ITF or ITF derived schools. Maybe you learnt Palgwae or Taegeuk il jang as your first form :-) (or kicho, Pyungahn or any other number of forms sets) :-) thanks for commenting and I’m very happy you enjoyed the video :-D

@traditionaltaekwondoramblings WOW! I took Tae Kwon Do from Master Kim Soo in Houston. He taught at ! of Houston and had 2 dojos. Went to the one near my high school. I also studied some under Chuck Norris student Ed Parker (?). They taught Tang So Do, butI kept doing Tae Kwon Do. The master kept saying I was doing it wrong! I wasn't. I was doing TKD and not TSD because I knew that better. I think TSD had one extra step. It has been 40 years, and diabetes has killed a lot of my memory. Thank you for your reply and info. So much of what you said went way over my head

Thank you Colin 😀

I’ll keep that in mind next time (or try) :-) thank you for commenting :-)

Yeah I’m currently focusing on the Chang Hon forms :-) Chon-Ji Hyung to Gae-Baek Hyung for the time being. I really enjoy them all so far :-)

It’s like martial arts instruction. There’s good and bad both within the “native country” (Japan, Korea, China depending on the martial arts in question) and abroad. You could study taekwondo in the USA and get better instruction than within Korea (or vice versa). I’m glad to hear you make a superior quality artifact (I feel bad for calling handmade swords a “product” ) :-)

@@traditionaltaekwondoramblings I grew up in a small town and martial arts schools came and went a lot. We had a jujitsu school stay open for a while after the UFC first started making Brazilian Jujitsu so huge. I could tell after a few classes his style was no good. Luckily 1 guy stuck around and had a karate school for quite a few years. It was pretty orthodox and basic, but it got us flexible, limber, in better shape, and taught us the basics. It took my good friends and myself lots of practice, training, and initiative on our own to get better. We were his first and only class to qualify for tournaments... he never had enough students who could qualify and then not long later the karate craze kind of fizzled out (late 1990s), then a lot of the associations that put on the tournaments shut down.

It’s done as a kukki taekwondo student would do it. So with no sine wave.

The punches lifts the opponent’s arms, the outward crescent kick clears the path for the front kick. So short answer: the first kick is a crescent kick :-)

Yeah I’ve heard the algorithm is pretty harsh on TH-cam. Many channels are losing views because they dare to display weapons too. I’ll Google your shop :-) thanks for sharing the name :-)

@aaronfryer5086 Thank you so much for your feedback 🙏🙇‍♂️ Looking forward to you posting your version (or simply a better combo) :-D

@jessewalters5361 That’s very interesting to hear, and thanks for taking the time to comment. I provided a little history on the form in the video description, but it amounts to: “Korean noble acquiring 4 Japanese sword forms from Japan somewhere near 1690”. I believe I have another form “To Yu Ryu” on this channel from an earlier grading I did :-) In the Muyedobotongji 4 styles are documented each by a “longform”: Un Gwang Ryu, To Yu Ryu, Chon Yu Ryu and Yu Pi Ryu. In Korea these are often the last to be learned, but in Norway we start with these as they are less flashy than the Korean and Chinese sword forms. It’s interesting to hear you make katanas. Do you have a website or a channel of your own? I’d love to see it :-)

@alpachinko9154 your eyes are not deceiving you. In the first sequence it uses the sharp edge, but the last sequence also makes use of the back edge. If you look at the mini picture or whatever it’s called (the title image of the video) you’ll see I’ve taken one of the postures of the form from the manual where the back edge is used :-)

@@traditionaltaekwondoramblings Interesting. I've never seen these forms before - the only weapons form from my Taekwondo days that was sporadically mentioned, was the Silla knife form, but that was only for 3°(?) and above black belts as far as I can remember. I've done some aikido and now currently train in Okinawan Goju Ryu karate, in which we also do some Kobudo as part of our syllabus, starting at blue belt (eskrima/hanbo/tanbo)

@@alpachinko9154 compared to taekwondo kyeongdang is extremely small outside of Korea. Heck it’s pretty small inside Korea too 😂 and inside this small group of martial artists the Japanese sword forms often gets overshadowed by more flashy forms or more “Korean forms”. These forms has nothing to do with taekwondo, but kyeongdang is part of “my taekwondo” if that makes sense :-) I really enjoy the added dimension in training by using weapons, and I also enjoy the historical side to it, as well as the genuine link back in Korean history :-) We can always discuss how close to the original the interpretation of the material is, but that the material is based on the muyedobotongji is not up for debate :-) I’m happy you enjoyed the video. I’ll be sure to share more of them in the future :-)

I look forward to seeing/hearing more about the practice. Have you done videos on the history/theory side already? I'd find that very interesting too.

@@alpachinko9154 I don’t have a video but here’s a link to an old article I wrote on the subject: jungdokwan-taekwondo.blogspot.com/2011/10/muyedobotongji-oldest-kma-manual.html?m=0 :-)

I sometimes film a snippet of training so I can review footage. I played a little bit with this combo, filmed myself (but I readjusted position to keep me in frame) and now know I need to work on extending my punches more (among other things). When I don’t film myself I keep going from wherever I am :-)

Very short answer: No 😂

Did you see the video before commenting? Could you please explain what was fabricated? This is not the typical taekwondo is 2000 years old or Choi Hong Hi invented taekwondo from nothing video, in this video I explain the actual roots of each Kwan tracing them all to different karate styles and Chinese martial arts. If you actually watch it and can give examples of fabricated history in this video (and provide a true version with sources) I’d appreciate it greatly.

@@traditionaltaekwondoramblings I watched this video before and watched it again…. Korean martial arts are fabricated lies…. This video is nothing new…. Even the new kwan, school or systems still are very ambiguous about their origins…. Most Korean system founders claim to study in Japan, then came back and form their arts. But if you take a look at the naming of their arts are not even have roots in Japanese Kanji….. Aikido became Hapkido; Karate became Takudo; Takudo became Taekwondo; Dang Soo Do became Tang Soo Do; In short, all styles came from Japan; but the funny thing is their pronunciations is completely different from Japanese’s …. So, the Koreans never know, do research or give credits to Vietnamese arts that made up the so- called past history of Korean martial arts….. They always say that they learned from the Japanese and have some Chinese influenced…. Never did they ever say that 1000 year ago and even longer there was Vietnamese King who last name was Ly; Ly came to Korea from Vietnam after his dynasty was dethrown by the Tran Dynasty. Ly help the Korean beat the Mongol invasions. Ly became a general and taught martial in Korea after defeating the Mongol…. They still have this place Wason to honor him in Korea….. There are thousands of Vietnamese Korean trace their roots to King Ly…. In fact, the first Korean president came to VietNam in the 60’s claimed to be of King Ly descendants…. This is why many terms used in Korean martial arts art not like Japanese but Vietnamese ….

So you are saying that the video is wrong because in your eyes taekwondo is more Vietnamese than Japanese/Okinawan/Chinese?

@@traditionaltaekwondoramblings I wanted to share with you that the idea Vietnamese martial arts did have strong influences on the Korean martial arts…. What I said about the Vietnamese came to Korea 1000 years ago and help Korea beat the Mongols is true…. You do the research….. The Korean last name Rhee is Ly in Vietnamese…. The Ly dynasty flee from VietNam to Korea 1000 years ago… A hundred years before the Ly dynasty, a group of Vietnamese also came to Korea…. The first president of Korea was Rhee which is Ly in Vietnamese, claim to be Vietnamese from the Ly dynasty…. Give the Vietnamese a big contribution to Korean martial arts: people don’t know and want to amid the truth………. Korean martial arts founders all studied in Japan and bring them back to Korea….. But the martial arts terms they use is not the same as Japanese ; Korean martial arts terms are very much the same as Vietnamese…. How can this be when Korea is so far away from Vietnam???? Because Vietnamese martial arts are already in Korea more than a thousand years…. So, even though modern day Koreans travel to Japan to learn martial arts, their roots is still Vietnamese martial arts that is why they pronounce martial arts terms different from the Japanese………. Aikido is Hapkido; karate is Tang Soo Do which actually is Taikukdo which later became Taekwondo. They still have the Shrine of the Ly King in Korea.

@@traditionaltaekwondoramblings I put in information for you to think than what you and others know about Korean martial arts….. There’s more to the Vietnamese’s strong influence on Korean martial arts than most Korean martial artists ever know or have ever realized?????? I have no reaction from you????? I am pretty sure this is the first time you ever heard such a thing!!!!!!! Not even a reaction !!??????????

Thanks for that and for commenting :-)

Thanks :-) I had to take a good long break as there was just sooo much negativity online (both on blog, facebook and on this platform). It’s also easier to film when the weather is nice ;-)

You are right, we can’t know what the original meaning the makers of Taegeuk il Jang had in mind. I’ve seen people from the original poomsae committee teacher the first move as a block against a punch at one time and against a front kick at other times, and against a roundhouse kick at other times. So even as “blocks” you could argue that there was no specificity in mind when making the form. If that was the case I guess my approach could be a logical second step. Each to their own :-)

@@traditionaltaekwondoramblings thanks for answer! Valuable work you are doing and one of those who inspire us others on our quest to solve the various meanings of the poomsae/kata!

This video focuses on the founders of the different Kwan and the major international organisations. While Son Duk Song was a great man (and authored some great books) he was not a founder of a Kwan (he was the second kwanjangnim of Chung Do Kwan) and he was not to my knowledge a key player in the founding of the orgs either. If I had or will make a follow up to this video, or a video focusing on Chung Do Kwan alone I’d talk a lot about him for sure, but in a short video summarising all the major Kwan and development of taekwondo? Not so much. Sorry if you didn’t like the video because of this, feel free to complain :-)

Master Son's book, "Korean Karate: The Art of The Kwon Do,", was the "textbook" used by my own instructor, Dick Worcester, who was a student of Master Son during the Korean War. I still have a copy, along with the follow up text, "Black Belt Korean Karate." Both are essential reading for anyone interested in the traditional style of TKD.

@@randallkennedy3153 I agree :-) I have both books as well and they are a great snapshot of traditional taekwondo :-)

I teach it as a reaction to a lapel grab. You reach over grab the wrist wrench it toward your hip and hammer fist strike the head of the opponent or you hyperextend the elbow joint depending on different factors. If you come to Bergen in Norway let me know and we can train together and I’ll show you :-)

@@traditionaltaekwondoramblings That makes a great deal of sense! Thank you for the insight and thank you for the invitation 👍 Norway is a long way from Australia, but who knows - hopefully one day 😊

No, this is simply not accurate. Gen. Choi fled to Canada to escape political persecution from the military dictator he opposed. This was 1972. Gen. Choi did not bring his Taekwon-Do to north Korea until 1980. This had nothing to do with the reason he fled south Korea.

Yeah I did. But it’s just a training drill, a template. I also do it with stepping. It has nothing to do with the muyedobotongji and is purely a training drill for technique. I’ll bet you’ll find the same or very similar template in other sword styles :-)

@@traditionaltaekwondoramblings I'm just curious though. Do the people at Gyeongdang ever spar?

I have no idea. My training has always been either technique, forms or pair drills. Most of the pair drills has either been straight up from muyedobotongji (the Kon bang or staff is documented as a pair drill for instance) or adapted from the solo forms. I’ve seen videos of kyeongdang people cut targets with different kinds of weapons, but live sparring I’ve never seen. Doesn’t mean they don’t spar though as I’m just a lowly colour belt in the system and pick up stuff under less than ideal circumstances because I’m eager to learn :-) Also the focus on technique, and primarily solo forms suits my current training situation very well so I’m not complaining :-)

@@traditionaltaekwondoramblings Thank you for answering. It is interesting and I do hope they might spar. Though I am curious. Are there more footwork drills and distance drills that they teach and practice?

You should definitely see the video before commenting 😂😂

@@traditionaltaekwondoramblings The Koreans claim and change their martial arts history many times….. It’s all fabricated lies…,

Yes, my master was a captain under General Choi. He also said Nam Tae-hi was the one mainly responsible for Oh-do Kwan.

Incorrect.

Tang soo do was just shotokan as was all tkd,it had nothing to do with any older Korean arts

@@scarred10 correct - as was explained in the video. All the founding ‘Masters’ of KMA either trained directly with Funakoshi OR were directly influenced by him. Even now you can see the Tang Soo hyungs are identical to Shotokans, the five Heian, the Taikyoku, Kushanku and Tekki, all there…

@@scarred10 Are you for real? My korean teachers would turn in their graves if they heard that wikipedia bullsjit 🤣🤣🤣

@@THEMARTIALARTSCHANNEL-bb4fx it's the truth,theres no evidence for anything other than karate in tkd.

Yes. Taekwondo is a martial art with a series of techniques developed for self defense (hoshinsul) and full contact combat. Sports training (kyourugui) is just one of the dimensions of taekwondo that ended up gaining prominence over the years, mainly with the modality's entry into the Olympic program.