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i found the amp making a HUGE difference on this, i always ran them on an adcom gfa5500, then i tried them on a B&k, both rated at the same wattage, but the B&K sounded so weak, and thin, the b&k was also less than half the weight of the adcom, and i found that interesting. On the adcom, it sounds sooooo much fuller and a lot better lowend.

I know you were asking Alex, but I come by every now and then to see if he's posted reviews of his BP20'S and BP30'S yet. Still waiting Alex.... still waiting 😏. But if you haven't already found out, there are a few differences between the two. The 10s have soft dome tweeters while the b's have aluminum. The b's drivers were designed by Definitive, while the 10s used Vifa drivers. The driver configuration in the b's is positioned the same front and back, while the 10s are slightly staggered (the rear drivers being mounted roughly an inch higher than those on the front. The 10s are about a half-inch wider (9") while the 10b's are half inch deeper (12") both are 42" tall. Word among owners is that the 10b's are a bit higher reaching in the highs while the soft domes in the 10's are described being a tad smoother or toned down (though many report the b's have pretty smooth highs for having metal domes). The woofers in the b's are separated by an internal brace as to reduce their backwaves from interfering with each other (especially in the midrange) for an overall cleaner sound. The staggering of the woofers in the originals may have functioned similar to the b's internal brace. Both iterations are widely regarded as having incredible bass. In some cases desribed as approaching sub like quality that is clean with very little distortion even at high volumes. This may be due to the cabinets being designed to behave like a transmission line bass loading system that increases bass output. I hope that helped.

lol u got me, been sooooo slammed, im still alive, ill have to make it!!!!!!

​@@AnthraxVX 😂 Good! No worries, man! I understand. This review was so good I traded my BP6B for BP10'S. Was not disappointed!! The first DT'S are some hidden gems man. I'll still be watching for those videos to drop though 👀

not sure, but amp choice even same power made a huge difference, i tried a B&K amp that was equivalent in power, and it sounded like garbage to me, vocals super thin, etc. I dont think its necessarily the power, since u probably arent running that many watts through it, if i remember these are 92db @1watt so that is pretty comfortable listening. obviously goes way higher as you go up but reletively good efficiency.

@@AnthraxVX thanks!

haha, man ive been meaning to do more videos, i still have all 3 sets, bp10-bp20-bp30 , still love them, i need to do an updated comparison video and audition sample, but yeah still love them and run them every day off of a gfa5503 (3rd channel for matching center) ill see if i can get around to it soon :)

@@AnthraxVX So, I’m so glad I went down this rabbit hole. I now have a pair of PB-2002, a pair of PB-7004, 3 supercube ii, 1 supercube iii. I’m using the PB-2002 and two of the subs for the main living room, for movies and music. T he 7004 and the other two subs in another room which is more of my listening room. And I just Love the way they sound.

@@Star3 yeah def techs are an awesome value and sound awesome :) glad u took the plunge and enjoy them :)

yeah, i think that if i had the 701's still id appreciate them more, but i do still prefer the m1060, ill have to grab them back from the person i gave them to so i can just listen to um back to back, as u age ur ears change preferences lol, i learned that from my car stereos :D

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Same here lol

BP30'S blow them away, I have 4 in my system for HT and music.

Nope! There is no extra woofer inside the cabinet. Just the two 6½" midwoofers on each tower. The cabinets were computer engineered and designed to work like a transmission line bass loading system. Which extends the low frequency output. Allowing these lil woofers to dig surprisingly low. The woofers being at the top of the cabinet and operating in phase with one another is a key factor in this as well. Sharing the power handling, increases the overall performance and output. The location of the drivers in relation to the port at the bottom. The cabinet design, i.e., dampening, bracing and the inner column made to act like a transmission line along with the tuned port that is also in phase with the woofers. These combined features essentially acts as an additional woofer. Not only making for deep rich bass but significantly decreases the woofers' excursion while doing so. Even when played extremely loudly, they are not moving nearly as much as the sound suggests. All factors in how the BP10's can put out serious bass and maintain midrange clarity. Great speaker design! I know you didn't ask for all of that, but just thought I'd share my findings. They are incredible speakers. The bass is clean and deep.

yeah that would suck, havent had any issues, i did send them back in preventatively just so i can get the 1/4" socket vs the mmcx connector, and they did that fine, granted it was still under warranty, if something goes wrong headphones are relatively simple components to repair and i dont mind doing that myself, otherwise yes what you said is absolutely something people should consider, thanks for the input

@@AnthraxVX I hope you do not have any issues. Like you, I do not mind replacing a part here and there which is why I love Sennheiser but Monoprice does not even sell parts for the headphones. $300 is not the most expensive thing out there but you start expecting some longevity after spending $200 or more on headphones.

@@hectorg.7282 for sure i understand, hope nothing goes wrong with them :D if so ill try reading some part numbers and see if i can find the parts, if not, guess they'll go in the can

ahh gtocha, u may also want to check that ur drivers arent separating, on my bp20s i got the drivers were separating so i removed them, checked resistance to make sure coils were still good (they were) then i re-glued the surrounds since the surrounds were still good, i now have 10s , 20s, and 30s, lol gotta make a comparison video

AJ Grape $20 dollars!!! 😳. Wow. You did good 👍. Well just for fun perspective...for the price I paid for my pair, I could have bought 10 pair if they were $20. And for $200 I didn't get a sub 😔 but that's alright the speakers are enough for me.🙂 In my setup with these I find the mids to be thick and prominent (could be my room). Also the components used play a big part too. I found this to be true with my BP6B's. For example when I first got them I was running them with a Marantz SR5000 (70WPC) the bass and highs were very pronounced mids almost none details were muted. Then I connected them to an Emotiva stack (Basx PT-100 preamp & A-300 amp). The mids and highs were there, a bit TOO there, with alot more detail but noticeably less bass than the Marantz SR5000. Even with this I thought that I just needed new speakers. But I recently got a Marantz SR8001. I had this receiver before and sold it along with the Polk Monitor 40 and 60's seriesII and that set up sounded phenomenal.. like audible air and space is the best way I can describe the sound...anyway just got another one because I remembered how great it sounded...and just like that what a total difference in bp6b's the frequency band from bass, mids and highs were equally present with clarity and detail to boot. The they still don't sound as airy as the Polk did only somewhat and they have a more realistic and grounded sound. So, with different components I experienced three different sounds from the same speakers. It interesting to say the least but this has made me a believer in finding the best synergy between components. Its a real thing. Which discovery has both simplified and complicated reality lol. But now i have the BP10's set up like this...the Marantz SR8001 as a preamp to the Emotiva Basx A-300 amp and they have detail highs, mids and lows galore.

@@AnthraxVX I got the bp6b's first and its been less than week since I've got the original BP10's (the one that kicked it all off). Was interestedin the 20's but the person who selling them, wants more money than I want to spend rightnow (not that they are not worth it) just that I probably can wait and get a good deal later..like I did with the 10's and they virtually look and perform like new and were cheaper than my 6b's. So its possible. How much did you pay for your BP20's and 30's? And how are you liking them? (Looking forward to the videos

@@JesusISdaonlyway i think my 20s i got for cheap like 200 or 300, and i paid 500 for the 30s, yeah sorry taking so long, so many projects hahha (building 3 motors right now, lawn reno, voron 2.4 3d printer, work, had to tear out and remodel kids bathroom, on and on and on)

@@AnthraxVX Hey I wanna ask you..how would you describe the GFA 5500 sound?

that is amazing they just set u up like that, i had to re-glue the surrounds on 2 of the drivers and that worked out perfectly :) good luck and i'd love to hear back how they sound :)

@@AnthraxVX - I finally got my new receiver yesterday and hooked them up. I played them on the loud side and there was no audible indication of any damage to any of the drivers so that was good, but the bass just wasn't like I remembered. I was playing through Bluetooth so I don't know if that was an issue, but I do know that the sound using my old receiver was much better, and that one I bought new in 1980 and was only 20 watts per channel. Even at low volume the bass was astounding. Now I have to crank them to get more bass, but the highs and midrange are still incredible. Anyone have any thoughts on how to improve the bass? One thing seriously lacking on this tuner is any manual control over the bass/treble. That sucks.

@@need100k i know i got huge improvements when i started pumping more watts into it, now running bp30s with adcom GFA5503, my initial thought from the improvement was from the additional power (200 watts each channel) but i dont think the claimed 18hz is realistic, i did get a mic and will be doing some readings on the bp10s bp20s and bp30s to compare them, when i turn on my sunfire ts-eq10 signature, it really filles in the low end even better and seemless transition when tuned right :) when i get some time i gotta make the video comparing them all

I see you posted this a year ago so you may have found an answer already. But if not... I have these two models exactly and I can say this. Hearing them, you can tell the BP6B's share the same dna as the BP10's. The BP6B's are nothing to scoff at. They honestly sound like a speaker 2 times its actual size. But the BP10's? Are on a whole other level. I didn't expect the difference to be as evident as it is. The BP10's have all that makes the BP6B's great, only multipled and optimized times over. The frequency band is a lot more developed and well rounded in the 10's. BP6B's go very deep for having 5.25" woofers but meet their limits much faster than the 10's another difference worth mentioning is, the BP6B's tweeter may be a tad bit higher reaching (most likely due to it's aluminum tweeter vs the silk dome tweeter the BP10's have. They both sound great..even similar. I've tried running them together (my space ain't big enough for this team). But there is a big difference between the two..that at the end of the day has to be heard, which would be its own best explanation. I hope that helps.

@@AnthraxVX thank you

I believe you about bp30s being better than bp10s. But, To REALLY get full potential w/bp30s - you need a VERY good powerful amp. In my case I would benefit better by just adding a good sub such as SVS sb 2000. Sub + bp10s would outperform bp30s for sure. Currently have Denon 4802r. Rec.,Clr 2002 center, Bp10s, 4 Promonitor 1000s.(very 👍 satellites)ALL Def. Tech

Johnny L what are better the klipsch or the bp10s.

Speakertweaker 1346 in this case I say the klipsch are better than the bp10s. But look at the price difference. From $400 to $ 1400

Grant Bettencourt yes they do need and want big power. I have a Adcom GFA 555 ii so it does the job. I run a Yamaha Rx A2070 aventage series. 9.2 klipsch 12 inch subs. I love speakers and amps so much it's a sickness like women buying shoes I guess

I own both pairs your talking about. The bp 30s cannot be matched. Best I've ever heard. If you can find a pair buy them!! Cheers

30s make the bp 10s sound like crap. Hard to say I know but much better tweeter in the 30s

Then you really need to try more headphones.