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hadn't thought about that, that's a good point

you could do a number of things. one would be to get their z-axis module to give the stick a twist axis (but cost little over half what some cheap rudder pedals cost so might as well just get pedals at that point) two could be binding one of the sliders on the base (would be janky but would work) three could be just using arrow keys as a rudder (little more jank as it would be full rudder input or no input so no in-between) four would be to buy a cheap set of rudder pedals Just depends on what you're willing to deal with, I personally prefer having pedals but there's options

@@DenialDan precious infos here! Using the analog stick of the throttle would be an option too?

@@rodrigolara idk if the dials would work but the small silver levers should since they can control axis

Honeslt dont remember. Might've been couple days. Probably depends on where to buy them from too.

For me they are butted up against the wall. If you dont have a wall to use then I'd used some velcro (hard floors) or some kind of carpet spikes (carpet floors) and stick them to the bottom with some 3M double side tape or something.

fox mounts

@@DenialDan thank you. How have you been enjoying them/ how’s the build quality

@@DenialDanalso do you still use this hotas?

@@yamahayz228 build quality was pretty good. i did have a piece break and gave feedback to the company and they reinforced it on all of the new ones they're selling.

@@yamahayz228 as for using it, it is the only one hotas I do use. I really like it

unfortunately I do not know the answer to this but I would assume with complexity of the hard ware I would assume probably not. Would be a lot of buttons for console games to support

I haven't got a clue, I usually just leave the tension on the lowest setting and add a slight curve to the axis so I don't accidentally kick the rudder too much initially

what do you mean stopped working?

@@DenialDan It simply doesn't work anymore😕

@JETMATE1 first I'd check the plugs and that they are in fully. Next I'd change which usb port you're plugged into. Then I'd go into their sim app and calibrate the lever.

imlooking forward to winwings release of their own rudder pedals

if you have the money for the TPR then you might go with those, better quality from what i understand but if you want cheapest thing to get the job done then the logitech are decent

I have the Winwing Hotas and am pretty happy with it so when they release their skywaler rudder pedals I will probably be buying those.

There's a few different things you can try to get them to register. There's a few forums talking about different things that worked for different people. You might start there

@@DenialDan Been through all the forums and tried all the suggested fixes. Other people with same problem ended up replacing the circuit board with arduino that run mmjoy. I’m not a programmer / electrical engineer.

@@Hoekstes That's no good :( I'm planning on getting the winwing rudder pedals when they decide to release them

You're welcome!

As long as the games settings allow you to tune your axis curve if not might be a little sensative, but pretty good. Some games might require you to change a setting the sim app to make the device read as 4 seperate devices in order to get all of the buttons to function (I think IL-2 is that way)

I've used it in War Thunder, Arma 3, DCS and IL-2

huh?

drilling shit

yheurah

They aren't awful at first but if you move it a bunch they wear out pretty quick. I got some mounts now though

Probably best considered just a freebie bonus, though. A HOTAS set like this really isn't ideal for tabletop use anyway, being pretty tall; best used with desk mounts that place them much more ergonomically.

Thanks!

thanks man! I hope you enjoy yours as much as I have enjoyed mine

glad I could help!

that is an idea, I appreciate the idea

I have no personal experience so would be hard for me to say but as far as I am aware there isnt any support for consoles but I'd look into it before making a purchase. From my brief search the rudder axis might work but the toe brakes might not.

if it came with Velcro strips i imagine they're to place on the bottom of the pedals and the floor to prevent slipping? I don't remember having any?

Not by themselves based on what I've read. I think you have to use it though their joystick in order for it to work with console. I don't have a console so I couldn't confirm for you but hopefully that's something for you to base your next research steps. Thanks!

At the time of making the video the price was $399 plus the shipping. I think it has sense changed because that was nearly a year ago

The max version is $500

You're talking about leaving a big of play to help with alignment, not cross threading. Very good idea. When starting a screw, turn it backwards with slight pressure until you feel/hear a slight click. You have then found the thread lead, and lined up the screw thread with the threaded hole, and you won't cross thread. Old machinist's trick. And yeah, I'm an old machinist! lol

I don't have any personal experience as I have stayed on windows 10 however a quick reddit search and people have NOT had any issues with the rudder pedals working with windows 11

@@DenialDan Thanks

I had a plastic piece break (only an issue with the fingerlift) but they have added a support to the weak area. If you google "winwing lever break" should be the first image is what broke. Just a weak spot but again I gave them feed back and they added support to the weak spot.other than that no the HOTAS has been great

@@DenialDan Thanks for your response! I'm thinking between Virpil and WinWing right now. Really hope Virpil makes some full hydraulic motion, force feedback and heated grips! This would be awesome, aswell with real life replicas.

@harksgaming7455 yeah that'd be pretty cool! I was bouncing back and fourth I just settled on price. I know some prices changed around but they just released the f15 throttle so might be able to get the bundle cheapest now

10 months later I still enjoy the hotas. I would be careful about the finger lift though. I bought one and had been using it but the black plastic piece that attaches to the metal grip broke on me. I informed winwing of the issue as it was a common one and they have added some support to that area. Hotas still running strong and I'm 100% happy with my purchase and will like continue to support the company by buying their product in the future

@@DenialDan Thanks for the info! So you replaced the fingerlift right?

@TheProtector737 not the fingerlift but rather the piece the fingerlift mounts to. The new one had the improvement on it. I did fill in the spaces with epoxy on my one that didn't break just so I didn't have to deal with it again. I would imagine relatively new hotas would come with the fixed version. If you want pictures join my discord channel and I can send you the pictures

@@TheProtector737 discord.gg/7J4vdAw6

@@DenialDan Thanks. I'll do that.

Based on what I know at the moment is I don't think they are. Doesn't list compatibility on their website so I would doubt they are. Thrustmaster has the win on that one I beleive. I'd double check that though before purchasing

@@DenialDan thanks!

you're welcome! I personally hate when people ramble on and on about things that aren't related

I guess it depends. If you're wanting a HOTAS VKB doesn't offer a actual HOTAS throttle just some regular levers so it it would be between a Virpil and WinWing. Virpil is gonna run $600 USD for both stick and throttle (not sure if shipping is included in that) vs WinWing being $400 for an Orion 2 ($470 with shipping all said and done). So it really just depends on hw to want your buttons and levers to be laid out. I personally went with the winwing because it was the cheaper of the 2 and had more buttons and dials and such but like I said just depends on how you want your ergonomics

About a week. Came in 4 seperate packages. First came on day 4 and the other three came around day 7. Will require signature upon delivery so if they miss you you can always swing by the fed ex facility to pick it up which is what I did

Yeah like I said not my favorite but gets the job done. I contemplated between these and the thrustmaster ones because they're around the same price point but I'd like to get a premium set. Wondering if winwing will make a set to go with my hotas. Guess we will see

@@DenialDan Yeah that would be nice since I just got an Orion 2 F-16EX Stick and FA-18 throttle. Very impressed with the Winwing stuff so far. I'd love to add some new pedals to the mix.

@Chris Trommler right on! We will have to wait and see

​@@DenialDan Winwing announced a set of pedals for "this summer".

It's the plastic cover sleeves that cover the channels that the rudder pedals run through and yes they aren't attached they just sitting top

turn your volume up or wear headphones 😎

@digitalsiler I wear headphones and it's still noisy af buy I've just ignored it

I had my old saitek rudder pedals and the tension was way better so I’m not sure why they cheapened out 😢

@@DenialDan damn... mine aren't that loud

right on, i have the logitech rudder pedals although they're a bit noisy

Thanks! Early launch to set the radar warning off on them to maybe make them feel pressured. Experimenting but I appreciate the advice. Optimal numbers are always appreciated

They sell a z axis module, it's a little pricey but still cheaper than rudder pedals

@@DenialDan No they don't...if you know a link please send it, its not on their site, its out of stuck for more than 2 years now

@Chaos Nature oh there's only one on there site. I wasn't aware the item was out of stock. I'm sorry

@@DenialDan no, its out of stuck , if you find a sale point pls link it here

@@ch0asnature That Z axis is only for their Super Libra Airbus stick. I don't believe it is compatible with the Orion series. I don't believe the Orion base has input/outputs to recognize Z-Axis