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im confused what I should buy. I see the base game and downtrail as separate items on steam. Should I get downtrail , as a new player?

I am a 6+ year player, so not quite paleozoic but Im in the upper cretaceous of 14 (probl'y spelled that wrong, silly science names). From my perspective, it's obviously not dying, but the trend is not getting any better. The game is playing it safe while offering nothing new to me anymore. The raids, which I adore, just feel stagnant to me, I feel like any new savage raid is just a cavalcade of reused mechanics with a new coat of paint. People say that is normal for MMOs, I say why go with what is normal? This is the game that nuked its first version and made a brand new MMO within 2 years and saved a catastrophic failure and turned it into great success, but now it wants to be...normal? The Dev Team is spineless and uncommunicative, they rigidly stick to the same formula and doll out slop, and we have to wait 4 months for the slop as well, whilist making jobs less and less stressful. As a veteran of this game, I personally feel insulted. I seriously have to wait 6 months each time to do the new coat of paint protean/ pair/light party stack, spread, stack debuff spread debuff and defamation debuff have? Get a promising normal mode only for the devs to fill the savages with mind numbing bullshit just to pad the fight to a "regular FF" fight length? "Well go play something you big meanie, I still love the game!" - Welp, Im glad to let you know I mostly have, once I clear FRU, I am probl'y just gonna quit altogether, if not just wait for 7.55 and binge the normal mode content in like 5h (because that's the standard we've accepted for non high end stuff). Unless this game picks its guts off the floor and stop being spineless cowards playing it safe I am done. You're not wrong for still enjoying it, but Im not sugarcoating my opinion anymore.

Seren must go, her people need her

Yay pyra PAX content

Better late than never!

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They just need to fix it so its not publicly visable done, there are a lot of copycat mods out there doing the same thing just not in the public eye, they are keeping their heads down so not to get targeted. I cannot recall the mod name, but it has been around for a long time making logs of people and allowing you to use a whois style command to check on people, listing name changes, server moves, past FCs etc just without the alt linking this mod does, but again they could and they have a lot more long term data. The code was public so almost anyone with modding skills could adapt it for personal and private use, mare uses the same tech now sure they dont share it but there is nothing to stop them making a db behind peoples backs, not that they would kill their pr doing it but they can. I get the outrage, but the amount of mods that use the same tech now that we know about vs the ones who are doing it with private DB's I think is more of an issue. sure flag peoples attention to that this exsists but without square taking the time to shut it down even if this mod gets killed its out there now, and I rather know what mod is tracking my information so I can opt out vs all of the hidden ones doing it, that feels way more stalker like because thoes one you have no choice with.

i already report everyone i see using plug ins/ mods.. even those who sit on ledges and bands using bard player. because feck this community of creepy erp'ers.

I used to play this game back in shadowbringers / endwalker days. Yoshi P has always had the same stance, "Don't use 3rd party tools, if we get a report about you using them, you will be banned" but never goes past this point. They will never use any anti cheat or anything that can detect this. So much of the community uses these tools for graphical enhancements, raid/dungeon helping, marker placement, node tracking, crafting utilitys etc. It would very much destroy the hardcore players of this game removing the ability to use these things. Many of the RP orientated people use loads of clothing and NPC mods would also be affected if they took drastic action. The FFXIV community is a vast and varying one, Some don't touch anything just play vanilla and are vehemently against anything of the sort, Some are OK with client side only mods like clothes, graphics etc, Some are OK with using tools like ACT or catbot for raids. But where each draws the line is different, and we all get drawn to people who share our views. It's also why the bot problem in this game is so bad. You may be surprised to know this is the case and are wondering, But where are all the bots? They are under the ground. They just teleport to all the quest / nodes etc. The ones you see in the world are just regular people who are doing it them self's, not usually the RTM guys, (still bad either way) To be honest though, I think this is probably the best approach considering the community behind this game. Make it look like you care, but don't really do anything, only take actions when absolutely necessary. Gives the players the impression they are looking in to it / working on it without messing the good thing up the community has.

basicly what he said in the post "we wont be fixing anything, please stop using this plugin" they will never do anything to stop a addon because that would mean they gotta stop all of them and the people who use addons and mods is at least 50% of the community and they play only because they can use them

Furry Fantasy 14. Dawntrail made me cancel my decade old subscription. I lost large houses on multiple servers, but I don't care. I almost quit back at Endwalker and truly hated Island Sanctuary. DT was the final straw. Is it worth it? I think the game has gone to a more Japanese player-base focus (meaning dumbass content). I have zero interest in what's coming next. Burnt too many times now. Is it dead or dying? Yes. Even Zepla left for good.

They absolutely should have forseen the potential of client-side abuses but not only does the addon maker ruin it all for anyone who uses addons for a variety of accessiblity or just personal reasons but the fact they need to tell people "Don't fucking stalk people" is mad.

This is the best MMO I've ever played easily beats both World of Warcraft & Guild Wars 2 by a million miles if you're a new player like myself just take your time with it and enjoy the ride it only gets better I think players really need to appreciate a MMO game that does this like no other I can't recommend this game enough after searching and searching for the perfect MMO I'm telling you Final Fantasy is it!

discovered your videos last pax (my first one) and i’m back again this year! thank you for the videos. also i often listen to YT videos as i go about my way instead of watching them- has anyone told you you sound like kat dennings?

Every damn year, every damn expansion you doom posting fetishists are posting this instead of actual content

Ive been playing world of warcraft for 18 years and every now and again i get really tempted to try out FF14, ill be honest, its the visual style of the game and how visually busy boss fights look that put me off, but every wow player i know that has tried it out has had a blast in that game. And still play it to this day. Every MMO goes through ups and downs on active players and i think something that is contributing to FF14s small dip is the fact that World of Warcraft over the last year or so has been getting content updates much more frequently than normal, so the WoW players that also enjoy FF14 are probably not finding the time to jump back into Eorzea, but they will be back!

I’m in agreement with your theory. HELL! The expac launch was delayed because Yoshi P wanted people to play Elden Ring’s DLC XD

The game look fun, but the graphic is so dated. When you play games from 2023-2024 i just can't go back to this graphic.

The game is still fun for me. I like the graphics, they are clean. The only thing I noticed aside from cheating in pvp is that on the JP server the Frontlines mode never pops. It is completely dead. I only came back a month ago, due to the whole mog store blunder. I never was able to play DT from the start even though I bought early access. At that time Frontlines was busy. I am not sure what happened. I am not able to find any info as too why it never pops anymore either.

They could have made Dawntrail like an introduction Addon and "jump in point" for new players like ARR was, with a focus on changeing the foundation of the game, with seamless connected zones like in ARR, with a more grounded story, adventure and exploration, change the dungeon structure, give us some rpg elements and class progression, new companions, without a world ending crisis, without the scions... but no, they didnt even try to do this... There is so much that's needs improvement and the old formula needs to change. Also Square Enix needs to invest more into the dev team, i want to see these changes soon and not in 2030... like instead of always doing 6 zones per addon, add only 4-5 zones, so we can get more side content for patches etc. OR add a post-addon MSQ zone that is a part of the world, something you can travel to, and not a lame NPC that just teleports you into the instance. The quantity and timing of zone/dungeon/trial unlocks has gotten so predictable that it actively hurts my enjoyment of the MSQ. After 10 years this needs a change... As much as i love the scions, they overstayed their welcome, their character arcs are pretty much all finished, Endwalker was the perfect ending for them. (Some- or all of them shoud have died in EW, their story was finished and it would have been a great end... OR make them disappear for more than 2 expansions before letting them show up again) not enough happens with them in Dawntrail, all of them behave like cardboard cutouts, they are back just because they are fan favorites... "sigh" A timeskip in the Story would be amazing, giving the scions and other characters a complete redesing and new lore, new goals, shift in conflics... something i thought they would do after the end of Endwalker but no... FF14 mobile for example. Seeing all these animation improvements, animations for slide casting, better lighting and quality of life options brings me to the question - what has CBU3 and Square been doing all those years with FF14? Where are those things in the OG? I know the engine is old, but adding some animations can't be that hard... The formula is stale, and the devs stopped to innovate or try more risky things a long time ago.

I'm curious if they address that stalker plugin in any way with the update

7.16 is also the release of the Master Role Quests for Dawntrail.

what's gonna happen if the season of crystalline ends? does that mean i wont be able to get the Loose Fit Attire coffer anymore after this update?

Personally for me the community is the main reason i left ffxiv, aside from just losing interest in the game. Every dungeon group or duty was filled with degens mainly talking about how horny they were for "blank" character or flirting with the "girl gamer" in the group if there was one. Meanwhile im just there running the dungeon... Just my personal experience more often than not, not to mention the party finder being filled with players broadcasting their fetishes for all to see when kids play the game 😬

I started playin XIV at the tail end of Heavensward and up until the infamous 5.2 patch. My feelings about the game are numerous but put concisely I'd say that the game was made too accessible, especially with the flattening of class designs. This focus in accessibility also manifested itself in the social policing in the game and the community was never the same after the ToS changes at the end of Stormblood, 24 man raids went from boysterous and fun to quiet with only the protected "identities" being able to freely boast about anything knowing full well that any word against them would be a bannable offense. This damocles sword ruined half public chatter in the game and the rampant degenerate talk (which only really belong to private spaces) ruined the other half. I've logged on a free week sometime in 2023 and the first thing I saw when going to Limsa for a quest was open gay petplay and honestly I'd rather work overtime than deal with that crap.

Queues are hopping on Crystal seven days a week and Aether's PF is packed. The drop in player count is like the difference between playing DRG and VPR in savage content - measurable, but negligible, and predictable too. 7.2 is coming. 7.3 promises a new Limited Job. The schedule hasn't changed and these "downtime periods" are baked into the business model as well as the gameplay cycle - not just for you to take a break, but for Square to fallow the land on the money farm.

It’s not as filled up in certain areas like when the new exp first dropped but there are still people playing .. point be is that money could be consistent after the expansion is better content was avail end game.. they fell off on this one as resulted in allot not subscribing or playing as much. That match is real. Is it dead? No I find myself playing new game plus to remind me of better stories and moments but after if there isn’t t anything to do I may take a break. Unless I go on one of those goddsdammned fixations on glam and end up proging a raid for the glam.

If you're new yes, if you're a veteran you've probably been unsubbed for most of these last 3 years than actually playing the game.

i would love for this game to die. I want a new FF MMO. 14 is just too dated now, both in visuals and gameplay.

No, yes

It pains me a lot cos many content creators posted negatively about DT and how the expansion sucks. I mean, its not helping the game. Players who wanna try playing the game and those returning players will no longer play the game because of so many content creators who made negative reviews about the new expansion. I remember ARR was very boring before same with Stormblood but both ended with a blast. I believe it will happen again to DT. You are a true WoL and I share the same sentiments as a player who started around 2.0.

The game isn’t dead and the servers are alive and well, it’s the fcs we were all in that are dead and when the ppl you know and talk to stop playing it feels abandoned and empty to that specific person. Visiting any world servers is laggy because every server is so packed

As a fellow fossil (been playing since Syrcus Tower came out) definitely a quiet period right now. It happens a lot. Remember during early Heavensward game felt like dying out. We're really missing some grindy casualish content now that people can do together.

it's not dying... but it's not growing. It's just existing now. DT was kind of a low point but all mmos go thru low points. I'm currently playing other games and I will return when they announce the next expansion and I can catch up on all the filler content. plus we got POE2 to jam out on and Monster Hunter coming out in Feb.... it's a good year for games.

Been playing a long time, it definitely feels like it's falling apart.

no. i h i have just walked away it is pish now . story shit not worth doing

If there are doomers saying "it's dying" on one side, you are the complete opposite, white knight and cope no matter what. Perfect example is you saying that the team was taking risks, however the biggest issue with FFXIV is that the formula is so formulaic that there is no risk. The story revolves around dungeons at levels 91/93/95/97/99/100 and trials at 93/99/100. Characters must appear at specific times to allow for trusts. Savage tiers launch on X.05, X.2, and X.4 always with the same number of bosses. All dungeons have the exact same layout of move down a corridor and fight two to three groups of mobs, move down another corridor and fight mobs, fight a boss, and then repeat. Job design has been simplified down so that all friction has been removed and the DPS sequence is the exact same every encounter with NO variance. CC/interrupts are almost completely unused because most mobs hit like wet noodles, or just cast circle, cone, or straight line AOEs that are easy to avoid. Healers can heal entire encounters with oGCD spells. Tanks have so many defensive abilities that they never have to worry about anything. People have far more issues than the story being an overly verbose drag written by a sad millennial with no friends. It hurts to say all this, but SE NEEDS the criticism. These overly positive, everything is great, we are just in a lull videos DO NOT help and one of the primary reason we are where we are. I say this as an original 1.0 player and someone who has held a sub without interrupt since 2.0 launched, however I finally canceled my sub 3 weeks ago. I've been in the same FC for 8 years and we've always maintained 60+ members online even during lulls, but when I logged out the last time 3 weeks ago there were 10 online at peak hours. Our GM, and my best friend, was logging in only to do some maintenance stuff for the FC. :( There are issues and they need to be discussed and taken seriously.

To save you all 15 minutes of wasted time, yes it's worth it. No the game isn't dying. Just try it. Playing for ten years doesn't mean shit in this case because so many things can change in ten years.

...no, no it's not. Way too many doomposters.

I have to agree with the whole "a chance to try new concepts" statement. People were saying before even EW that the game wasn't innovating much and was stagnating in content because it rarely if ever changes but now they've done a full 180 and now complain when they tried new things near the end of EW and now DT. People need to realise that they can't expect the game to become fresh again if they don't allow the devs to experiment and try new avenues for content.

Yeah I honestly just mainly think it's people trying to justify their burnout by fully blaming it on individual aspects of the game (ie, story). Like you, I've had gaps where I've gone a month or more without playing, it's natural when you have thousands of hours in a game you've been playing for years. When 7.1 dropped I blasted the game every single day for couple months but rn I'm mostly raid logging for FRU (with an exception for Chaotic) and it's pretty chill; think a lot more people need to be okay with doing that and the communities' relationship with the game and the devs would be a lot more healthy.

only on lvl99 story rn but only gripe so far is i wish more of the story was Voice acted. Burnout is natural yall. Take breaks, try other games, read a book, knit a blanket, idk <3 (hell dawntrail, story wise, is the perfect time to take a few patches or an expansion off and rest)

Dawntrail was rushed and it shows.

Sub expired 2 weeks ago and dont miss it. Which is sad. I want to miss it but there is nothing I want to go back to do.

I've been playing FFXIV since Legacy beta. I agree 100%. I didn't main FFXIV until Shadowbringers as I bounced around a lot until then and was a tourist after coming back in the end of arr/beginning of Heavensward. I am not having issues finding groups (except BLU spell groups lol) and RP (yes I do that, I never did until this game) has been hit hard by RMT bans and no one wants to admit it because everyone still believes everyone owns 20 FC houses and that's how they get their massive amounts of gil. LOL.

Oh hii, I just found your channel! ^.^ It's nice to hear the perspective of a veteran player. I started in 2022 and have only recently finished the msq of endwalker. XD There was and still is so much to explore, the cities are packed, my fc is active and there are always people to talk to, it doesn't feel like a "dead" game to me at all. But I understand that as a new player of course there is way more to still do so I can only compare this to my WoW experience which I've been playing for 15+ years. Honestly I really dislike the online negativity, most of it is indeed just clickbait because negativity attracts more attention (like look at asmongold, lol). There are a bunch of players like me who just enjoy the game in silence, without posting on social media. That being said, as a casual player even I felt WoW going downhill bigtime, especially after shadowlands. My friendlist that was usually full of active players who loved the game suddenly became empty. I had nobody to play with anymore and didn't like the direction WoW was going in, so like many others I quit and tried FFXIV instead. WoW did feel dead af,, but look at what happened now, they improved and recovered, now people are saying to leave FFXIV for WoW?! All this to say, it's normal for this to happen. People get tired of playing the same game for years. I'm not worried about it at all. Though of course disliking the direction of the game, the msq, etc, all of that is very valid and to those who feel this way I'd recommend to take a break and come back when there's new content or you feel ready and refreshed. :)

Is it dying? Not really. Should it die? Yes. The saga is over, the world is saved, the systems, code, and graphics are dated. I say they finish up the current "epilogue" story and put a neat bow on everything then let the game enter maintenance mode while they work on making the next FF online game.

FFXIV is dead, says everyone every expansion. It's not as bad as people make it out to be. The content of DT is great. Yeah, casuals are complaining they don't have content, and thats a lie, I know they all don't have every class leveled to 100, completed every relic weapon, completed every deep dungeon, and expansion area, ect. There's plenty to do. You just want to complain that there's nothing new for you to do. Quit complaining, go back and do older content you never did, and if that doesn't work for you, take a break until there is something you want to do.