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I left Roman Catholicism myself for very opposite reasons than you. I've watched a couple of your videos now. I think it's interesting to hear what goes on behind the scenes in the Roman Catholic Church. And I can also appreciate the more calm and none aggressive attitude that you have in the videos as well. Normally I would never speak to a trad cath because they're typically pretty terrible to anyone who ever leaves the Roman Catholic Church. Just my experience

You are brilliant. What I want to know from you is not the analysis you have so artfully expressed concerning Catholicism but rather, having abandoned your former way of life, what do you now have? Is your life now wholly given to the dismantling of the Catholic way or if not, what is your raison d'être. In other words, laying aside all your analysis of your past read life, as if the world was devoid of religion, God et al, what do you make of the world and of our being in the world? What's it all about, Alfie? Is it just for the moment we live?

So, were you also a priest? I don't get your views now. You no longer believe in Jesus? You think that having an intimate relationships with men is awesome. You now think that men sexual relationships with other men is legit?

Its an utter shame you rejected Christ , for your desires. There alot to reply to your animosity and hatred towards us, but theres a realisation that you have stirred, uncomfortably but its there now. You refer to us as the enemy, maybe its time we take note of that and see those of like mind in your group for what they are. After all it is men of your sexual orientation lusting after teenage boys that has caused a tremendous financial and reputable cost on my community, and no cost to yours. It must feel freeing to feel no guilt for your desires, to persue your desired pleasures with no shame or guilt, to believe theres nothing wrong with it, and the enemy is wrong to say so. But we not your enemy even thou you choose to be an enemy . I hope one day you would see the error of your way, and return to Christ, i leave you with a verse, "what is it for man to gain the world , but loose his soul."

These priests sacrifice happiness to follow these traditions. It’s pretty understandable why they wanna keep these tradition alive and I never hate them. I never felt pushed away from Catholic people too (Catholic School, Catholic Church, Catholic Family and Catholic Friends) but being gay and growing, it’s not a topic to discuss with. I understand why they wanted me to stay proper (being demure, not gay-gay, not too loud and tolerated but not totally accepted) when I rarely attended gay pride or gay bars, because I witnessed how easy living it was like I don’t know if it’s liberating or Sodom and Gommorah in the making. I guess being a Catholic gay is a sacrifice as well, that is, being single my whole life if I cannot find a true love and maybe devote myself to Mary. But I will never know because in the Old Testament, the true love and kiss between David and Jonathan had been sacrificed too and the answer to true love is in heaven. The Catholic Church did not erase that “true love” but it will never be discussed for sure.

ISM?

This is clearly a GPT-generated story. Good job in impressing people who do not know anything about Catholicism. Will you be having GPT-generated photos of you in altar boy clothes? I am sure it occurred to you.

Jesus is real. He transformed my life, and became to love of my life

This sappy story has huge holes in it and it's simply not credible. It's a fantasy tale, written by a "content creator" in the genre of ecclesiastical fiction, recounting things that couldn't have possibly taken place as narrated. Don't fall for it.

Good for you my friend. I'm happy you finally realized the error of thinking there is a supernatural being that disproves of your orientation. Why would a supposed deity reject some one based on their orientation? it's ridiculous. Welcome back to reality.

Why haven't You left homosexuality instead?

A priest that’s leaving to pursue a gay lifestyle made the right decision.

In the Philippines, where Catholicism is very much part of our daily routine, gay Catholics are very much active during church activities. They are of the design and creativity group during processions, beautifying the church, the route of the procession and the costumes. Also, many Filipino gay Catholics are very devout Marian devotees. Whenever there's a Marian procession or devotion, you can always find them there. They pray loud and proud, sometimes even in Spanish.

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Leave that cult ASAP. You can be Christian and not have to be Roman Catholic.

This was such a beautiful act of solidarity with this man. I am so grateful his entire parish loved him so much and were not afraid to show it. That will always sing in him more than the sad sounds of the pathetic bishop and sketchy fellow priests. To separate oneself from this 'god filtering' organization and maintain dignity takes so much courage. The work of the Holy Spirit shines all the more in men like this, and the men who showed up to be there with him. Bravo, Cade!

Good move

“Blessed are the pure of heart, for they shall see God.” Make sure that “…enemy you are fighting …”isn’t God.

Excellent discussion!

A word of caution to my young brothers out there. As a gay man pushing 60, I've been hurt, kicked around, mistreated and used my entire life by gay men. So much so that Jesus and the church have become my refuge. I wish I had dedicated more of my youth to the Lord. Live your life wisely! The gay world does not look kindly upon old men and looks even less kindly upon broke old men. Sometimes the church, like a loving parent knows better. No matter how sinful you are always maintain friendship with Jesus.

The behaviour of the congregation is so culty.

The chair thing is Plato. I thought the church was against neoplatonism.

rigid faith shatters and then can never be put back together 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

I like to view this matter from a practical, simple standpoint.I like to think about the complementarity of bodies, how it is not physically healthy for a person to have sexual relations with someone of the same sex; it is not complementary. Sexuality is binary, and this is evident. Each organ in our body has a function, and for health, they should not be used contrary to their natural purpose, as sooner or later, consequences will be suffered. Many say that the Church should adapt to modern times, but no, homosexual acts have existed for thousands of years, as we see in Sodom and Gomorrah, for example. I have witnessed how God restores and rebuilds Identity. I have lived this and always sought answers, often not understanding because I saw everything from my wounds and feelings. God continues to work in me. A hug.

So, I'm just wondering, a lot that you've talked about has good insight, but do you still believe in any of it, not from just the a human standpoint that we can find some good in anything, but from the other side. Do you believe there is a God, as descriped in the book, either in whole or in part? Also, if the church on face valve rejects the gay community, why even argue the need to be apart of it at all? As I mentioned, you make good points about what the church is not being completely clear on the topic of homosexuality in the church (really good points), but have you done a video on what should the gay community look like in or outside the church? Example, Some have made the point that marriage is not necessary for intimate relationships as long as they are committed to each other, but gave no details on how that works in a community. Not saying this is your intention, but it's a lot easier to show people when something is not working right, verses, how it should work or look. So, in my head, if there is no God, or if the bible is not his tool to communicate to his creation, than why make the argument at all, and just focus on what the gay community should look like, because it is differently struggling with a number community issues, which is not hard to see.

I am a Catholic. I served the church in the capacity of a choir and a musician. I was born a Catholic - so I feel that I can tell an honest take on my personal opinion. The Catholic church is superbly bad in dealing with contemporary issues. Sometimes I wonder if the Catholic teaching is really applicable in the real, real life. Things such as priest sexual abuse (the best example) is not discussed at all in the community level. We will instead be asked to focus on our relationship with God, or we will be encouraged to join seminars/workshop on the Holy Spirit. Which is FINE. But be ready if you want support when it comes to LGBT issues, or when you want to debate about celibacy among priests or whether they should be allowed to be married. As for the priest in this video - I would say that what had happened is the best thing that happened to him. He has left an organization that did not value and support him just because his values don't align. In fact - living as a Catholic, most things are just either Black or White - no shades of grey. Yes or No. He can still serve the people, he can still serve Him - even if not under the dictation of The Catholic Church.

I was asked to leave the seminary after opening up to my seminary formators about my struggles with same sex attraction. Up until that point, I had been a “stellar” seminarian with so much promise. I was loved and admired by everyone and often used as a reference point for what a good seminarian should be. Suddenly, I became the devil incarnate. Leaving the seminary was a very painful time, the worst experience of my life. I had always wanted to be a priest from when I was a young child. Love for God and his church consumed me with a dangerous passion. And believe me, from the time I discovered my attraction to the same sex at age 8 or 9, I had been fighting my “weakness” with prayer, fasting, tears, novenas and retreats - all to no avail. When I was asked to leave the seminary, I did not only feel let down by the priests I had opened up to, I felt betrayed by God for whom I felt I had given up so much, even my personal happiness. One of my formators told me, “better a promiscuous straight priest than a celibate gay one.” I was so broken. I invoked Canon Law and the council documents of Vatican 2 to argue reasons I shouldn’t be asked to leave the seminary. I was told by one of my formators the church isn’t a court of law and that they took decisions by the Holy Spirit. I was further told that my desperation to remain in the seminary was a clear demonstration that I hadn’t truly been called by God. In that moment, my one prayer to God was to help me not lose my faith because of everything that was happening. And I held on for one year after that. But the pain, anger and bitterness wouldn’t go. I was torn between love for God and the church, and love for myself. God and his church required me to view myself as abnormal and hate myself for a sexual orientation I had come to learn I really had no control over. And believe me, I was willing to hate myself if that was all that stood in the way of serving God as his priest. Being a strong willed person all my life, I was determined to never act on my tendencies. But even that was not good enough for my formators. In the end, after falling into depression and anguish, I chose myself. I wouldn’t come out formally. But I decided to stop viewing myself as abnormal and my orientation as a problem. I decided to embrace and love who I was and what I was. But I couldn’t reconcile my faith with this decision. Everything I had been taught screamed I was on the side of evil for accepting myself. I couldn’t bring myself anymore to believe that God existed. It made no sense to me. An absolutely good God will not inflict this weakness on me, even after I had begged him for years to take it away from me, and then through his Holy Spirit, direct my formators to kick me out of the seminary after I opened up to them about this weakness in good faith. I could not accept myself while believing in the existence of such a God. That would have been hypocrisy and double standards. So I gave up my faith. It hasn’t been a walk in the park since then. I used to be filled with so much anger and hate just at the mention of God or the church. I knew this was wrong and I didn’t want that in my heart. I have worked to switch that emotion to indifference. And when I miss those hymns or psalms or prayers I used to love so much, I allow myself to sing and recite them without making anything of it. I know it’ll take a long while but I’ll be patient. I wouldn’t wish what I went through on anyone. And I am glad, as I have come to learn, that others in my position are receiving support from some within the church and in their communities.

Dude. did you value and revere Our Blessed Lord's presence in the Holy Sacrament and go to Communion regularly?? This is so important

We have choices to make in life. Every choice we choose has a consequence we have to carry on. It's sad story but we can't blame on the Church on this issue.

To have authentic life is the most important. Not only sex orientation, but also you turned yourself to be hypocrite when you chose religious life. You must take collective action, your fellows move then you can move. As for me, lose personality means you are not yourself any more, what is the good to save other people if you lost yourself??

If Father Jordan wants to stay a priest I’m sure the episcopal church would take him in. They are very open and accepting of the LGBT community. Their priest can also get married:) not episcopal just a recommendation

The sad thing is most scholars actually say the Bible doesn’t once condemn a Same sex couple in a loving relationship. This entire argument isn’t biblical and is just made up outdated philosophy. This type of stuff was one reason I left the church.

Tortured Catholic I enter in the church I haven’t been so long, still wounded by the priest who taught me right and wrong. Yet I miss the votive lights, the red and white, lit by loving hands, winking welcome, and the ancient smell of incense like a lingering lost friend calling me home again. The strong worn walnut pews, complaining now of bodies sat so many years now worn and bruised- reminds me of the hours in prayer so fervent from a sinner who has erred. O how I miss the head-crowned saints upon their pedestals, arms outstretched with lacquered lips with eyes arranged celestial. Dear Jesus on the cross impaled, the bloody head, the hands hard nailed, the chanted tunes, the manger nest, Puer natus est. The genuflection, sine reflection, the crossing gesture done in haste, the mumbled prayers so pointless said, the cross that’s carved upon the head. The wafer placed upon the tongue, the old familiar hymns oft sung. O how I miss the thoughtless rites, the chasubles and surplice whites, the wasted words in homily, true sign of real humility. The bishop’s ring, the bowing thing, the stance before the habit awe, from me now bitter flavor draw. And nuns, a species most confusing, a strain of women so amusing. The scapulars, the rosaries, the holy water, mocked up miracles, the sightings of the Virgin blesst, the baby suckling on her breast. Confessing sin that soon surrounds and penetrates the soul, the priest forgives by penance gives does often take its toll. A strangling, claustrophobic rite that chains you to the church so tight with shame and guilt, and binds you to the wrong and right. The papal chair which oft abuses, censors, cancels and refuses. Now how this nonsense penetrated deep, disturbed my wakefulness and even sleep. O where, O where is Jesus, in all this posturing, the Spirit worship and the Truth? I deem I only miss the shallow shell that mesmerized my youth.

You hit the nail on the head. I love the Catholic Church and cherished it for many years, yet that which I love so much is the source of my self-hatred. I have a God-shaped hole in my heart and nothing to fill it. What do I do now?

How I wish I can talk to you

This story is like a microcosm expressing in a pre-official way the to-be apostolate of the Coming Out Network. (Catch my drift?)

terrific and compassionate and wise. Thank you 🙏

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig. Jason Evert is against marriage equality. His arguments are ridiculous, backward, and intolerant. The Catholic Church is totally wrong on this, as it is wrong on a good number of other issues.

I’m glad you escaped a life of dehumanizing dogma. ✌️

The ugly problem with the Catholic Church and with most Christianity altogether is that they want you to stop being gay, i.e., they want you in their church lingo to stop being same sex attracted, a.k.a. stop being susceptible to same-sex attraction because they believe that homosexuality even in its basic desires and urges is an unforgivable sin. That's the message I got from the Evangelicals.

Very interesting conversation. I agree that there should be a universal pastoral approach by the Church to address these issues and create structures to help, welcome, and teach how to live the Christian life and chastity. However, with all due respect, I fear that this absence does not justify distorting the teachings of the Church, much less the Bible, which are older, to adapt them to a situation and attempt to justify them with what psychology supposedly says. I know it’s difficult, but we cannot negotiate with the truth, and it is very dangerous to start from the point of interpreting what God is, what I experience, or what I understand makes me happy. That is a completely Protestant criterion, and that’s why there are thousands of churches. Following that same logic, divorced and remarried individuals would feel free to take Communion, or why get married if I feel good and happy as I am? It is a very, very dangerous path. God bless you."

Intentional communities are incredibly helpful. Here is hoping everyone finds where they feel at home.

Very good video. I was raised Baptist and stayed scared of hell and in the closet till I was almost 30. If you haven't heard the Belief it or not podcast you should check it out. Trevor does an excellent job. Also check out the play Southern Baptist Sissies. Keep up the good work young people need this!

I was a Baptist Pastor and overseas missionary. I was married to my very accepting wife. I resigned because I am gay, medically proven. I resigned and we returned home. I was told I am not welcome to even attend church because I am gay. I cared for my wife with MS for 26 years before she passed in 2022. I thanked her for accepting me as her gay husband and she said "Of course. That was easy. Why wouldn't I?" Amazing lady. Both my kids are very accepting, which is great. I occasionally attend a gay friendly church called Metropolitan Community Church, but I'm not a member. After returning home I studied accounting part time and worked for a large mining company for 26 years. I have now retired and I live alone. Long journey. BTW I totally support Same Sex Marriage.

Oh my ... That's a cute guy ...

What were the specifics of Father Jordan's assault? Why do you bring that up and not tell us the specifics? Sloppy journalism. You know, when Pope Francis was first appointed, I thought maybe there would be some real change in the church. In one of his first interviews he was asked about the subject of homosexuality and he said, "Who am I to judge the way someone loves?" He was also asked what were the two most pressing problems in the world today, and he said, "The loneliness of the old and the joblessness of the young." He also called capitalism a true evil, which I could understand immediately since when he was a young seminarian he was exposed to the ideas of "liberation theology" as it was developed in Latin America.. But then, through the years he was beaten down by the corrupting bureaucracy in Rome and he's pretty much like any of them now: hypocrites.

*A side note* Whether gay or straight one can lead a valuable fulfilled life without having to engage in sex. Society as a whole puts too much focus that you have to sexually engage...gay or straight to have a worthwhile human existence.

If you are not one of the bishop's pets, forget it.

Love your videos. I love being Catholic but cant stand the trad movement. Such toxic people

I used to be very fond of the Mass, something I attended daily from my high school days and through university. I have dropped in on them, now and then, over the years. The homily is usually pretty bad, something hateful in one way or another, and reminds me of why I left. I did not leave for being gay. I left because I could not accept the metaphysics, the conception of God, all of which struck me as logically impossible and inconsistent with my actual experience.