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Thank you so much for your thoughts! I completely understand why you'd be a bit tired of seeing Nietzschean comparisons in FromSoftware game's as they're all over the place lol. I was tentative myself to make the analysis here because of how overdone it is, but I felt the parallels fit too well to ignore. I also think the overuse of Nietzsche likely comes from frequent misunderstandings and the overall broadness of will to power (as it describes life itself). I'll definitely look into the metaphor for the subject's inner experience analysis as that sounds interesting! Also sorry to hear that you're not too much of a fan of Jungian thought. Personally I'm not super tied to his frameworks, but I really appreciate his fixation on the animating "spiritual forces" that underpin our lives. Either way I'm glad that you were able to enjoy my video and saw a different side to the story of elden ring that you might not have thought of before! Also I'll keep an eye on your content in the future! I'm excited to see what you do next.

I do the same thing with other people's videos lmao

Couldn't agree more! I think people are generally biased towards a literal historical reading because it's generally the most approachable way to understand a story. But once the artistic reading clicks it affords so much more depth to the world and narrative. Thank you for leaving your comment! It means a lot

Uh nothing, don't worry about it man

@@ordinaryunits4341 ok my good sir, maybe just me having a false vision

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Take a look in the black screen again. It's you bro, you are the fan lmao

​@@ordinaryunits4341Putrescent Knight is awesome "I rather die stand than live kneeling" - Vegetables Twitter

Lmaooo that was me being tongue tied after recording at 2 A.M💀

True! The hornsent is a culture that predated the golden order that venerated those born with horns that they saw as the gift of the crucible (people that would later be referred to as omen). So all omen aren't hornsent, but the hornsent are omen in my understanding.

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@@ordinaryunits4341 ADACHI!

Unfortunately bro only beat the mohglester allegations😢

Doesn't have one lol I made it myself, it's just fodlan winds sped up by like 150%

@@ordinaryunits4341 hahaha It's so good I thought was a Full dedicated piece of work

@@victorrabello4115 Just goes to show how dope fodlan winds is lol

I don't think I've ever seen any of thecenteredtarnished's videos and I don't believe I took any of their footage. Are you referring to the radagon is marika part of my video?

Thank you! Glad you liked it

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@@ordinaryunits4341 On their supports and unpopular opinion I ship Manuela with Seteth and not Hanneman. I do love her relationship with Hanneman I just don’t see it as wholesome as Seteth and Manuela.

And if you don’t agree then fight me

Godfrey definitely cares for morgott, but I think godfrey would care in the case that morgott is his confirmed son and the alternative where godfrey is unaware that morgott isn't.

Hard disagree, I'd say Demon souls takes that crown

Hey! Thanks for leaving the thoughtful comment. The theory of marika being involved in the night of black knives is super intriguing and if it were true it would make her an even more mysterious figure, since it is clear that (to some extent) she wanted to create the golden order. Although I do think her betrayal of maliketh doesn't necessarily mean that she undertook the night of black knives. It could alternatively mean that Marika leading the tarnished to kill maliketh and unbind destined death through the guidance of grace was the great betrayal. At the very least maliketh doesn't seem to feel betrayed during your fight with him as he says he won't fail marika again. However, I don't disagree that Marika came to resent her prison being bound as the goddess of the golden order. Although I don't view it as the elden beast controlling her or using her as a vassal, but rather she is bound by her position of being the goddess. St. Trina in the dlc says the miquella becomming a god would become his prison. Plus we do see marika essentially bound by the elden ring's top crescent. I think all of this is symbolic of how becoming a diety and ordering things, thusly binds you to that order and you construct your own prison. In this case the elden beast could be an incarnation of this binding order and instead of being her warden or that which makes her a vassal. Is the incarnation of the sad reality of order that traps marika. All that said your interpretation could very well be what really happened! I just prefer mine because it is more in line with George RR Martin's narrative conflict of "the human heart in conflict with itself", which I find very compelling.

There are several reasons why I believe Marika is involved with the Night of the Black Knives. First, a black knife assassin is found near the Erdtree, right before the Morgott boss fight. The place where you find the assassin is right before the Queen's Bedchambers site of grace. Most likely Marika's seat of power. One might suspect there is relation between the two. Second, the black knives assassins are Numen. Yes, that's racist but there is not that many Numen in Elden Ring and Marika might have some affection for her kin. The third reason is Melina, or more precisely, Melina's moveset. You have the opportunity to fight alongside her against Morgott. You notice then that Melina has the same moveset as the assassins. And in a secret area you can reach by jumping during the elevator ride down to the Forbidden Lands, you can reach a secret office where you can find Melina's knife, the Blade of Calling. The Official's Attire you can also find there mention of magisters handling grim duties. From that, it's not that farfetched to think Marika had a secret office handling spy operations and assassinations for the Golden Order and that you could find her remaining kin there. Melina, being very likely Marika's daughter, would have been raised in secret by them and they would teach her how they fought.

Ouch. No idea how I missed that, that was literally the great rune I used all the time😅. It looks like my interpretation of morgott and mohg's parentage is pretty unlikely. Though improbable, it's still possible to read the description "born of the golden lineage" to be a metaphor referring to how he came to represent the best of the golden lineage as godfrey and godwyn the golden did, but again, the literal reading is more likely to be the intention of miyazaki. Thank for bringing that to my attention!

@@ordinaryunits4341 I think it's also important to keep in mind that in Elden Ring, it is very explicitly clear that there's a lot of unreliable narration going on (aside from the actual narrator at the start of the game). A lot of the information that is given by Marika and Golden Order folks is highly suspect. I wouldn't put it past Marika to claim them to be of the golden lineage in order to disguise her self-cest. There's another youtuber, can't remember who it was off the top of my head, but they went into how Marika seems to like to have clusters of 3 kids with one being a kind of self-insert each time, where she divested parts of herself to create offshoots instead of children. That theory doesn't tie in here, except that it could be that she did have her own children here, but because Godfrey was her Elden Lord at the time, she had to pretend they were his.

True, I never noticed that before! If I had to guess it's probably a stylistic choice to represent the cyclical nature of the journey to becoming elden lord

What about by Elden Ring?

@@ordinaryunits4341 by Elden Ring with Elden Ring in Elden Ring!

For sure! Which is why I thought the comparison to Nietzsche was so fitting, as he's basically the philosopher of ambition and creativity.

Nope

I'm glad that joke landed. Was looking for a way to make a joke out of the clip because I love midra's delivery of that line lmao

So my reading here goes against the butterfly theory, but in short I use metacontextual evidence to infer it and believe that narratively it makes for a more compelling situation. The children of Marika that have confirmed parentage within in game items all have the first letter of their name corresponding to their parentage. Pure Marika - Messmer, Melina, Miquella, Malenia, (Morgott, Mohg). Marika + Godfrey - Godwyn. Radagon + Rennala - Radahn, Rykard, Ranni. The omen is a natural birth state that happens in the lands between and Godfrey clearly has affection for Morgott. But in my reading, I believe that the connection of their names and the fact of Marika's pure blooded children have curses matters more. It also creates an interesting narrative where Marika's obsession with her own perfection and the perfection of her order causes her children to be saddled with curses she wanted to keep away from her order. Some people are more convinced by the butterfly theory, but I'm more partial to the first name relation.

Hey, glad to see that you stuck around! Yeah Elden Ring has been my focus lately since engage was a bit barren story and characerization wise lol. I definitely agree, they nailed the mythological feel to this game where certain narratives, sentiments, and morals are clear even if the specifics aren't. From Software has been continually improving on their worldbuilding/story game for a while now. Thanks for leaving a comment and it's great to hear from you again!

Not at all, you brought up some points that weren't mentioned by the previous conversations! Also the omen being compared to gingers was awesome💀

It could be possible! For me, Radagon having been separate from marika opens a few cans of worms. For example, why not incorporate Godfrey instead of taking someone who has an established presence and is keeping the golden order's peace with the royal. Furthermore, if they were separate people and then incorporated later on, what does that imply about St.Trina? Did miquella incorporate her in much the same way and then cast her out? But them being different people at the start does make Radagon's innexplicable change of heart more understandable. Thanks for leaving your thought provoking comment!

Thank you so much! In that case I'll be sure to make more

May the almighty algorithm heed our prayers🙏

12:35 Marika was almost certainly Rannis patron in this, the black knifes are associated with her and she betrayed Maliketh in his duty of containing the rune of death. Very unlikely she was moved by the deaths of her children.

16:00 Pretty sure its Marika telling Mesmer to only blame her.

18:40 The flame of frenzy could also be called the ultimate form of the law of regression.

Thank you for providing some of your thoughts! I definitley agree that she made the tarnished with a purpose in mind! What makes you think she had planned the shattering of the elden ring when she divested godfrey of light, making him and many others tarnished? I've seen the interpretation of marika also undertaking the knight of black knives with ranni and it's super interesting. I decided to go with the interpretation that she cared for her godwyn and shattered the elden ring in response, but the opposite could be true too! I interpret the quote to be messmer adopting the role of a crusader and enforcer of marika's will in the shadow land to spare her reputation because he believes in her and her reign. Though after his death to the tarnished her renounces this role. Interpretation could go either way, but I feel viewing it as messmer's quote makes a more compelling story. Great point! It could be why the flame of ruin is an essential truth of order itself and thus life.

@@ordinaryunits4341 "My Lord, and thy warriors. I divest each of thee of thy grace. With thine eyes dimmed, ye will be driven from the Lands Between. Ye will wage war in a land afar, where ye will live, and die. Then, after thy death, I will give back what I once claimed. Return to the Lands Between, wage war, and brandish the Elden Ring. Grow strong in the face of death. Warriors of my lord. Lord Godfrey." Referring to cut dialogue is cheating but Godfrey has cut dialogue about this as well, where he knows the elden ring is going to be shattered in the future, and hes waiting for it to happen, so the timeline seems to be: 1.Marika decides to betray the order (because the age of plenty where the Erdtrees blessing covers the land is ending and the new cycle of life and death isnt working like the fingers promised it would? dunno) 2.sends radagon to liurnia with the excuse of helping him become recognized as a god alongside her 3.Creates the tarnished to separate them from Radagon and the elden beast 4.Radagon panics at this and immediately abandons his family and rushes to the capital 4.Plots against Maliketh with Ranni and Rykard 5.Shatteres the elden ring