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@@Betterifitsfree Since your rifle is from the 1980’s, it probably has the older “Walker” trigger vice the X-Mark Pro trigger, which is the trigger on the rifle in this video. Many have had issues with the Walker trigger as well, but this seems to be from improper adjustments, as demonstrated in a video by Arizonaresponse. My recommendation would be to take the rifle to a reputable gunsmith to check for proper trigger settings. Of course, the other option is to replace the trigger with an aftermarket. There are several good brands from which to choose.

@@JimmyDickens1 Valuable advice. Thank you very much.

So it’s Remington’s fault you don’t properly maintain your firearms?

I agree…. Which is why I never grease my trigger assemblies. I suggest you read the comments and the narrative I posted with the video. You will then discover the root cause.

I agree! I own three REM 700s and all have run flawlessly after going through the recall. I hunt deer to this day with them.

That’s interesting…. What trigger do you have? (Assuming your gun is a REM 700, it would have either the “Walker” trigger or the X-Mark Pro trigger installed at the factory).

@@JimmyDickens1 My dad has 20+ 1970s model 700 rems all stock old style triggers 5+ of them have similar safety fails. It has a lot to do with trigger return spring and rust. I'm Alaskan raised i hunt with a older Rem custom shop 700 .458wm /4x m8scope with 350gn thumpers. i never had a fail yet. But I grew up watching my dads guns misfire from time to time so i'm more aware that my safety might make it go boom or moving the bolt and boom or closing the bolt. Last year my younger brother had a missfire on his first trip out. He knew it was going to happen he pointed the gun down and away to empty it. His gun has bolt lock when safety is on so he flicked safety off to empty his gun and boom it split his thumb from the recoil and the safety tang. proof he was not on the trigger. We reload and my bro does a funny thing and writes in sharpie lil funny sayings on the bullets the 1 that missfired said TRUST YOUR INSTINCS. Now i can't trust my 700's. I hunt alone for moose and bear and my trigger is getting a lil chunky when wet. Now im looking for fixes i found a vid of a guy he epoxys the 2 part trigger together to fix the problem. How is your boom stick running?

@@JimmyDickens1 th-cam.com/video/Nz48KyiuGi4/w-d-xo.html I'll trust this guy working on my gun before i trust a gutted companys new cheap trash trigger or shipping my Betsy in the mail from Alaska. At xmas i orders a fleet 24 volt battery charger it showed up in three chunks twice still dont have my charger .. PS the only good rems 700s are made before 1990.

@@bearbait2221 Bear - thanks for the info. Scary stuff! I have 3-REM 700s, all have the newer X-Mark Pro triggers. All have been through the recall and I haven’t had a problem since. The one gun I did have the problem with (the one in this video) was retained by REM and replaced with a new gun.

@@bearbait2221Wow, it’s almost like you shouldn’t be touching the trigger while doing anything but firing the rifle.

To answer your questions: purchased new; it came with the X-Mark Pro trigger, which is adjustable, bur I’ve never adjusted it as I liked the pull weight out of the box; since your guns were purchased in the 60’s, as you say, you would have the Walker Trigger, which is an entirely different trigger from the XMP trigger. If you read the comments and description section of the video, I layed out a comprehensive timeline of what happened, to include how Remington recalled REM 700s due to this video. I’ve also been contacted to testify in court and have provided recorded deposition in a particular court case. Parts of this video were also featured on 60-minutes. So if you are doubting the results of this rudimentary experiment or if you are doubting there is a problem with the XMP trigger, sorry, but that train has left the station. The problem has been verified and Remington issued a recall to fix the problem. Again, read the narrative and comments associated with the video and you will discover this. As for you Walker triggers, I can’t speak to those. There are documented problems with that trigger, but many believe those are caused by owners adjusting the triggers and not knowing what they are doing.

During my investigation, I completely cleaned the trigger assembly and retested; same problem. The issue was the bonding agent. Remington issued a recall for the XMP trigger to fix this issue.

@@JimmyDickens1 I have several Rem 700's and never had an issue, but I'm wary of a potential problem. I'll always prefer a bolt safety over a trigger safety like on my Win model 70 or a Mauser '98.

@@G1951-w1y I’ve got three REM 700 and haven’t had an issue since they were fixed at the factory by Remington.

I believe you are correct regarding the sear adjustment on the older Walker-designed trigger. However, the trigger in this video is the X-Mark Pro (XMP) trigger. Remington has already publicized the issue with this trigger is the bonding agent used in the manufacture of the XMP. This led to the massive recall in 2014. Read more of the comments for more explanation, to include the comments I made in the video description.

@@JimmyDickens1 The bonding agent is nothing more than an exposing of the "margin of error" that they still do not allow for. I have a walker trigger and an X mark Pro. They made some safety improvements on the newer version, but the real culprit remains. There are thousands of rifles that are well over a hundred years old that are still being used today. But today people will complain about a 3 lb trigger pull. What is going to happen when today's rifles reach even half that age and "modern" trigger mechanisms begin to show even the slightest bit of wear? More dead people? I hold to my assertion that the real culprit is lack of a safe sear engagement, for fear of trigger creep complaints.

@@beestoe993 Well, I will tell you - I have never adjusted any of my triggers and you saw the results. Remington saw my video, called to discuss it with me, and issued the recall in 2014 due to the bonding agent as I described. I’ve since been called to give a deposition twice in different court cases. Even within the legal system and under oath, Remington reps attribute the problem to the bonding agent. But you are entitled to your opinion. We’ll just have to agree to disagree with your hypothesis.

Hi Postelle - please explain.

@@JimmyDickens1 We are producing an audiobook on the Stringer family whose young son accidentally shot his brother with a rifle in their own home. The Father's quest to bring the Remington gun company to justice because they were manufacturing guns that they knew had faulty safeties. The producer would like to use up to 30 seconds from this video.

@@postelle510 I am familiar with this case. I can be reached at perdiem1@msn.com

You’re not the first to ask. And how I’ve answered previous is this: I’m not a meteorologist, so I’m no expert. But I’m quite certain there are more factors of “seeing the breath” than just temperature - humidity comes to mind. Much the same as “why don’t I see condensation trails on every airplane that flies by”. Also: “why don’t I have to scrape my windows (on a cold morning) of my car parked in the garage, but I do have to scrape the frost off the windows of my car parked in the drive way?” Dude, it just happens. One more thing (because you seem to question the validity of my claim): about seven and a half years ago, Remington confirmed my theory on temperature. It was the bonding agent used that is cold and heat sensitive (not the metallurgy I assumed was the culprit). Remington then recalled several million rifles. I’ve been called twice to testify for different lawsuits as an expert witness. So in short, you’re barking up the wrong tree. You’re almost 8-years time late.

@@JimmyDickens1 It was a honest question and I wasn't questioning the validity of your claim. Thanks for the snarky answer, saved me from subscribing.

@@mybad8805 Ok. But one has to wonder, if it was an honest question, why not just google it to find an honest answer? The one or two others who made the same query were prodding the results and questioning my validity. Perhaps a bad assumption on my part regarding your query, maybe not. As far as subscribers, I’m not in this game for that. This is a non-monetary channel - I don’t subscribe to commercials for a payout. I merely created this channel for public service. My other videos were created for flood victims so they could see the damage to their homes after the Missouri River flooded. Nothing more, nothing less.

You are most welcome. I’m happy no one was injured (or worse) with your incident.

You touched the trigger with the safety off, the rifle fired, but it’s not your fault? I think not.

@@rifleshooterchannel208 Not sure what comment you read but nowhere in my comment do I say it was not my fault. I will say it was not my fault the gun fired when I clicked off the safety. My finger was inside the trigger guard but not on the trigger.

@@riverratpat259 So you claim. Dollars to donuts the gun went off because you had a thickly gloved trigger finger inside the trigger guard and you put pressure on the trigger blade.

If you bought yours new in 2016, it’s post-recall and probably “fixed”. A quick way to tell for pre-recall guns to see if they’ve been fixed is to look at the bolt release button near the trigger guard. If it has a small punch mark, the trigger has been fixed. I don’t know if Remington continued doing this during manufacture after the recall, but worth investigating.

@@JimmyDickens1 it has a little dot noched I’m the very middle of the bolt release button. Is that it?

@@huntingoutdoors1412 Yup, that sounds like the punch mark. If so, your rifle should be fine.

Thanks, John!

You didn’t read the comments or the narrative posted with the video which I’ve kept updated. It’s the bonding agent. Too much was used during manufacturing. It gets sticky during a certain temperature band, causing the issue. After my issue, Remington tested several guns and that was the result. So it was temperature related, only not metallurgy, but bonding agent. Remington then recalled several million rifles to fix this issue. This all happened several years ago. You must have been stuck in a time warp! 😳

@@JimmyDickens1 Sorry , I found the article on the bonding agent, but it was the same problem I suspected could be caused by grease in cold temps. Grease should never be used in a triggers as I'm sure they have learned now about that bonding agent. I've seen old grease that gets hard over time and is just like gum in a mechanism. Hopefully they have newer synthetic grease they use that isn't temp and age sensitive. I was just stating my guess after watching your video and I've owned a few model 700's and know they have grease in the triggers. I never followed the original story back at the time. I keep my triggers clean and use a dry lube or very light oil but would never apply grease. Maybe for long term storage to protect like cosmoline but not when in use. Grease can trap dirt and dust that can cause problems as well.

@@michaelmoslak2975 I’m with you - I use dry lube on my triggers, but only if they need lubricated. As I was investigating my issue (before making this video), the first thing I did was completely degreased / de-oiled the trigger assembly in case, as you said, old lube was causing the issue by becoming sticky. Turned out that wasn’t the factor, at least for my trigger.

What year was your gun manufactured? Which trigger do you have: Walker trigger or X-Mark Pro?

I recently bought it numbers say 1973 someone else told me about the trigger so I'll get that changed and see how that works

@@cover557 since it was manufactured in 1973 (and if it’s the original trigger), it would have the Walker trigger. A reputable gunsmith might be able to tune it up for you. The trigger in my video is the X-Mark Pro.

@@cover557 There is a video by Arizona Response that demonstrates how monkeying with a Walker trigger can cause it to become unstable. Since you bought it used, the previous owner might have adjusted it too light, causing your problem. As I mentioned previously, I’d consider taking it to a reputable gunsmith to bring the trigger back to within specs.

Yes mine fired switching the safety off in warm temps as well.

Seriously? That’s how you hunt? Even rabbits, squirrels, and pheasants? I think I’d be a vegetarian if I did that. No way would I be able to load and fire on a fleeting game.

Was commenting on the Remington 700 video. I only hunt moose and black bear so there’s usually time, if not then next time. Definitely didn’t mean to offend, just suggesting another layer of safety.. Take care.

@@randaman7098 No offense taken. Your explanation cleared it up. I've never hunted bear or moose, so I have no experience with regard to how much time is required to get set for a shot. Every gun I carry must be safe enough to carry loaded and on safe without concern that it will go off uncommanded. If not, I won't carry it.

David, USED GUNS become “ for sale” for a reason. The older Remington 700’s are fine rifles AND HAVE ADJUSTABLE TRIGGERS. A competent gunsmith can adjust your trigger to a safe & reliable pull weight. Grease or lubricants containing paraffin can gum up your trigger. A thorough degreasing & professional trigger adjustment should solve your problem provided nothing is broken.

@@diogenes5381 YOU ARE WRONG! These Rem model 700 . . . . some had problems right out of the box BRAND NEW. I purchased mine brand new, and while sighting it in with a scope in the very first box of shells it fired without touching the trigger. I purchased this rifle in 1970, and at only 15 years old, my father did not believe that I had not touched the trigger. I never used the rifle again. Even at that age I understood the HUGE liability. Fast forward about a year, and it happened to my father as well. At this point it may have had perhaps 400 rounds fired through it. always cleaned after shooting it. Trigger never adjusted or lubed. After multiple attempts to get Remington to address the problem, they refused to admit that the weapon had any problem. Had they have maned up in 1971 lives would have been saved. I have owned well over a hundred guns in my 69 years. But that was the very last Remington. The corporate heads of Remington belong in prison!

Hi Walter. Remington has a recall list by range of serial numbers which can be accessed from their website.

@@JimmyDickens1 FYI the serial number only my Model 700 7MM was well before the serial number that started their recall. Though they did replace my trigger per the recall. Never fired again after the second time that if fired without touching the trigger. So the weapon is still almost brand new, even though I purchased in 1970. Its for sale . . . . . I just will not own Remington PERIOD!

Brandon Patterson You have one of the older trigger models that require the safety lever set to ‘Fire’ to manipulate the bolt. The newer trigger assemblies allow one to manipulate the bolt with the safety on. My rifle is one of those: safety on does not effect bolt operation. Remington has agreed with my theory and issued a recall in April 2014. I thought it was metallurgy when in reality, it was the bonding agent used in the manufacturing of the trigger assembly. Regardless, temperature was effecting the trigger assembly causing the rifles to discharge.

@@JimmyDickens1 I looked on the website with my serial number and it wasn't part of the recall. I love my 700 but I really have to be mindful of everything I do. I was once told in a safety course that the safety is a mechanical device it can and will fail at some point. I guess I will be looking for a better option to replace the trigger and safety. That's awesome though that they have contacted and given you inside information on the cause. The day it happen to me it was sunny and in the 60s. Thanks for sharing your video and knowledge on this issue :)

Brandon Patterson Great ‘talking’ to you, too. The safety class you took is correct: the safety device is merely a mechanical and can fail. The ‘ultimate safety’ is between your ears. My 700s have been great as well. All (3) have been through the recall and have performed flawlessly so far. Since yours isn’t part of the recall, there are a couple of things to consider: take your rifle to a reputable gunsmith to ensure your trigger/safety are adjusted properly (see video by Arizona Response on how maladjustments can cause discharges with that specific trigger assembly (Walker Trigger)). Second option is to replace the assembly. Timney makes a great trigger. Thanks again for sharing your information.

@@JimmyDickens1 Great talking to you as well. Happy holidays and thank you for service so we can enjoy what we have today

Preston - Thanks for the comments. Remington has concurred with my theory (it was the bonding agent in the trigger assembly vice the metallurgy, but same results) and is effected by the cold. Remington issued a recall in April 2014 for X-Mark Pro triggers. If this is what you have installed on your Remington 700, I recommend sending it to Remington for the fix. You can google it for instructions on how to send it in or go to Remington's website. Other alternative might be to replace the trigger with an aftermarket (Timney, for example).

EM Thank you, EM. I really appreciate it.

David Miller The problem is with the X-Mark Pro (XMP) trigger. If your 783 has the XMP trigger, you can tell if it’s been through the recall if it has a punch mark on the bolt release. See the Remington website for full description.

@@JimmyDickens1 Thank you for the information

jim cherry Did this happen before or after the trigger went through the recall process?

Ed Fulton Ed - the rifle in this video was sent to Remington for their testing. They were able to duplicate my issue and kept it. Remington then sent me two-700’s - an exact duplicate and a custom rifle. I will try your scenario with them, but since both have been through the recall, I suspect I will not be able to duplicate your findings. Also my rifles have the X-Mark Pro trigger. I don’t know what trigger Marlin uses, but I’m sure it isn’t the X-Mark Pro. I’ll try it anyway to see if they might have similar behaviors.

Jim, Thank you for your prompt response.

Thomas - Sure. I'll try to fly up Platte River Drive this weekend, depending on the weather and wind.

Alicia Albee Alicia - you are most welcome to use my video. Thank you for telling our story. I am CDR Jim Otto, USN (ret), Bellevue, NE. You can use this or JimmyDickens1, whichever you prefer or however you wish to truncate my name. Thank you for reaching out.

@@JimmyDickens1 Thanks for posting this footage. I appreciate your permission. I'll share our final video with you when it's released later this week. Best wishes to you and your community. Stay safe & take care.

@@JimmyDickens1 NOAA's Spring Outlook video went live this morning: th-cam.com/video/_7nXBtnAQl0/w-d-xo.html Thanks again for sharing your footage!

@Alicia Albee Alicia - You're very welcome. I watched your video - Nicely done! Thank you for sharing.

MissChievousRN You are so very welcome. I hope you and your family are safe. We will all rebuild as a community and be stronger for it. God bless!

Seth B Not sure. You’ll have to ask him. From what I understand, Governor Ricketts toured the flooded areas via helicopter yesterday. Perhaps he is analyzing the information before making a decision.