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@DonovanMcNabb5 yeah I think so!

@DonovanMcNabb5 you AMD bro's are hard to read. Half of you say the frame gen is irrelevant. Half of you say its so relevant its made the previous gen irrelevant 🤣🤣.. I can't keep up..

@@Spratty-wb3is The people who preached DLSS got a pie to the face when Nvidia said the 5070 with dlss is the same performance as a 4090. I want to see how much better Nvidia Framegen got, AMD did it better lastgen. Lossless Scaling sucked on a VR Headset, Im curious to see how good DLSS4 framegen is. However I will have a Switch 2/ 9070xt/ and a 5080 or maybe even a 4090.

@DonovanMcNabb5 Na I think people are trying to make that comment into more than it was. Ironically they get labelled with trying to upsell. Now when trying to sell lower hardware they are also criticised. Some people are only capable of turning everything into negative

@Spratty-wb3is I don't think so. Nvidia said the 4070 was close to the 3090 and it was... The 4070ti beat the 3090 by a small margin, the 3090 at that time was a powerhouss. As a tech corporation nvidia is forced to keep going forward, and if they decide to keep releasing the same product risk becoming what Intel is now.

@timothysullivan-pm3sl Hey man! Yeah the price shocked me. I honesty expected to wake up and see youtube take over with Nvidia hate content 🤣...

@ im back been a little while Lol…….I know right they actually did a pretty decent job. The only thing I see on the more negative side is that the 5070 is still stuck with 12 GB vram. Which I don't think is gonna change anytime soon. I think Nvidia knows their 16 GB cards have some decent life in them and you can go a while without upgrading so they are gonna squeeze as much money out of the 16 GB cards as possible lol

@timothysullivan-pm3sl Yeah that 12GB still sucks. I dunno if it's purely power budget or costs but I assume making it 16GB meant the others above it going to 20 or more..

@ hmm yeah that is true

@nimbulan2020 That video dropped just as I was uploading this one lol... Yeah it's a wait and see scenario, which in honesty, just leads to frustration..

@RJTHEGAME You or i can knock Nvidia on a lot of things, but the presentation was bloody good and it did provide the hype. I also don't buy into the constant attack on Nvidia not caring about gaming, I think that presentation showed although yes they are probably more excited about Ai, they equally get excited about how that can be used in gaming. If it works and eventually reduce costs on hardware then I'm all for it. And yes it's pretty clear they've put a lot of work into improving DLSS which is great. On those type of things they do deliver. I'm sceptical about raw performance, I don't think the 5090 will be quite the beast that was rumoured. But if they pull some magic on that frame gen, and it works, then maybe that's a big leap forward. I still think AMD can release something awesome this generation. But they can't start in this negative way and think that's a great idea. I mean even I was deflated after that presentation last night as I actually was looking forward to see what they had.

@@Spratty-wb3is Totally agree with every word mate👍 Nvidia have done lots for PC gaming in general going back over a decade, my perception is starting to change a bit on them I think generally they give you a lot to get excited about tbf to them Just seen another game Doom Dark ages get DLSS 4 support which is coming out, previous dooms been great fun shooting wise Alan Wake 2 & Black myth DLSS 4 visuals I gotta say i'm looking fwd too the most

Just seen a benchmark for the 9070XT 4K btw 99FPS on Black Ops 6 Looks like it might beat the 7900XT but not the XTX 7900XT gets 92 FPS 7900XTX gets 113fps Someone working for IGN did the test without permission I think lol It doesn't tell us much other than it beats the 7900XT in that game and actually beats the 4080 Super by a bit but generally AMD GPUs do better in COD games as you know Also I saw AMDs very own Ray Recon leaked, so they defo have new tech but not showing it yet lol

@RJTHEGAME yeah that all adds up about right. So it'll beat a 4080 in those outlying games like the XT does. But fall behind a 4070ti in others. So its gonna be around and in-between 5070 and 5070ti. Probably closer to 5070ti in raster but loose to 5070 in RT. It'll have the more vram than the 5070 but same as the 5070ti. Probably the new frame gen threw a spanner as that'll give the 5070 a leap above it when used. So they realised they would need to price adjust..

@@Spratty-wb3is Yep. I can't wait to see these new features. Also well worth checking out frogs latest video🤣 I was laughing so much when he started ranting about Nvidia, like a full on meltdown showing all the stuff he bought instead of a 4090😂 I haven't laughed so much in a while tbh 😂

@RJTHEGAME I find it a hard one to understand, because I don't see what's to gain by holding your existing customers in suspense over it. I mean, just say yes, it's available on rdna3 if that is the case. Seems crazy to deliberately p@ss off your existing customers if a simple answer is available. They will very well be aware that was the biggest question that needed answering after that leak earlier that morning. Like I want AMD to do well because of competition and I have no reason to say I wouldn't. But they need new leadership or something because, how they handled zen5 release, and this rdna4 is just pure damaging..

@@Spratty-wb3is My only hope is they are holding all that infomation for an RDNA 4 show & reveal it in that

@RJTHEGAME honestly I don't know what they were thinking. Surely they must have understood how many AMD users would be tuning in, hyped for a new gpu release..

@@Spratty-wb3is Totally! I'm about to watch your Nvidia Video, i'll give you my thoughts in a bit

Sorry I've no idea what's going on with youtube right now. I sat and waited an hour for it to say it had processed to 4k as well before I hit publish.

@@ovemalmstrom7428 how is it?

@Spratty-wb3is so far very satisfied. Stable, cool, quiet, good performance for the price. Will definitely run with this for a while.

@c523jw7 7.45 am here so just starting to watch videos now to catch up. First thing I've seen is price which is a shock 😲

@c523jw7 i think so far most of what we see in performance gains is the multi frame generation? I guess real benchmarks are needed but I might be tempted to grab one so I can real world test instead of just going by benchmarks.

@Spratty-wb3is yep that's it. We get all the dlss enhancements still. Actually happy with that. Look I could sell my 4080 and get the 5080 but the 16g is holding me back and 4080 is still strong 4k so I'm not tempted enough.

@c523jw7 yeah I'm not seeing a huge upgrade that isn't including the frame gen! So the neural rendering is that tied into the 50 series frame gen? I guess so far that's the one area Nvidia push vram usage when using current 40 series frame gen..

@Spratty-wb3is yeah basically. Look fg is not something I go out of my way to use atm so I'm good

@lostygir1661 I'm not saying it won't matter in the future. I'm just saying it hasn't mattered for this generation. And in the same scenario maybe I won't play the games that it does, like Indiana Jones isn't a game I'd play personally. So as I say its very much down to the individual..

@TerraWare yeah that's kinda what I'm thinking. Similar to how Xess works with intel. I suppose what it really comes down to is how good is FSR4 and how much lesser is the diluted version..

@bigbangerz5856 unfortunately I'm expecting the same. I'm starting to think they might purposely try to price gamers out of that silicone as its worth a lot more money in a professional gpu. 32GB of gddr7 i don't personally think is necessary. 24GB Is plenty enough in my mind for a gaming gpu. 600w also because of it..

@ so unless we are seeing a 75% uplift in pure rasterisation without the BS RTX I will pass myself. In fairness though for the twits that bought into the 3090 they might actually see this as a viable upgrade but we’ll see. Anyway good discussion its good for gamers to out these things imho

@bigbangerz5856 thank you, i appreciate that... I'll definitely pick up a Neo in the future to check out.

@CHHaywood more expensive? I'm not sure.. I think it was more a combination of already being used to 4k resolution and the lack of good HDR support. I'm still using it daily on my sim rig and it's great for that...

@@johnpaulbacon8320 thank you...

@hochhaul if you've no interest in using the features like DLSS and Raytracing then there's realistically no point paying the extra for Nvidia in my opinion. For me raytacing aside and both being close in price I would happily pay a little extra for DLSS.

@edgyzero6305 yeah I understand that. Prices vary and different deals are always available. Like I said the difference for me on the 4080 vs the XTX was £80 so hardly anything in it.

@nimbulan2020 yeah I ran 1440p and 1440p ultrawide before moving to 4k and DLSS did surprisingly well at 1440p, FSR didn't in any of the games I tried. For me at 4k I've decided to give up performance specifically for the image quality so if using FSR makes the impact that noticeable there's no point me playing at 4k with it. Admittedly at 4k you can turn a few settings down, its not a terrible experience. It's just a shame to be forced to do it, especially as it has the huge vram buffer..

@@Spratty-wb3is Yeah I think the only game I've tried where I didn't think FSR looked bad was Starfield, but even there it falls apart when you get to Neon while DLSS holds up just fine.

@cbonez2909 I wouldn't be surprised to see a better value 5080 super later in the generation. Everything I've watched leads me to think the 5080 is gonna be stupid money. Hopefully the negative reactions to the leaks might make a difference..

@dougquaid570 I'll be honest I discounted the 4090 as I didn't want the power draw. Ended up getting a 7900xtx 🤣🤣🤣.. Shouldn't need upscalers i agree. The problem is they do, so unfortunately that's out of all of our hands.

@@Spratty-wb3is I try to play at a lower native resolution, if i can't hit a frame rate.

@dougquaid570 probably depends on what your hardware is. For me running 4k with upscalers looks a lot better than 1440p native. 4k is also the best resolution to upscale from. So currently running 4k DLSS quality in most games. Dropping to 1440p native would be a noticeable drop in image quality and stability. The annoying thing is upscalers and frame gen work better on better hardware, but lower hardware needs them more lol..

@Spratty-wb3is I have an XTX. 1440p/ 240hz 27" oled and a 4k/120hz 77"oled. Would rather play at 1440 even on the big screen, in the rare event I can't reach a decent frame rate. Admittedly FSR isn't as good as DLSS but I notice artifacts on the big display with any upscaling. I'm a display snob. Don't do streaming either due to the artifacts and low bit rate.

​​@Spratty-wb3is one area the XTX is ahead is bus width. Helps negate pop in, the wider the bus, not that the 4080 is at all bad. For most folk, the nvdia card is probably the better choice.

@zapdosmtr4961 that's a good build man!

@OniiXGaming Dude I'm a learner and didn't realise 🤣.. Terra pointed me in the right direction..

@@DonovanMcNabb5 Source?

​@@Spratty-wb3is Only source I saw was a good one, but he didn't say anything about DLSS 4 being exclusive to the 5000 series Lots of guessing atm

@RJTHEGAME Yeah that's not something I've heard yet. I mean i wouldn't put it past Nvidia. But I've not heard that yet 😂

FSR 4 being announced also at CES, both hopefully will be useable on the current generation Maybe they are just waiting to try and out do each other

@RJTHEGAME waiting to see who can p##s of their customers more 🤣🤣🤣

I have mine 4080s for a year right now and I'm playing utrawide 3440x1440 and never had any issue. Even with stalker 2 at lunch. No shuttering or big fps drops at town area. Right now playing Poe2 and it's amazing that's is so quiet and take less then 300 watts. And I will never move to 4k display from utrawide so don't see the vram issue

@ man bro I thought about it cause I feel like that the PERFECT sweet spot for the 4080S but my problem was I’m a a mix gamer but more competitive so I was kinda unsure about going ultra wide but yea I bet you’re getting killer performance!

@@evan-du3vk The 40 series cards were a no go for me because Nvidia cheaped out on the display ports so they can’t run my ultrawide properly without 2.1 ports. Even the 4090 is capped at 120hrtz because it has the old 1.4 display out. This new 50 series all have them now at least.

@RJTHEGAME hey man I appreciate that 🙏... It's absolute truth man, the gpu that suits you best is very much dependent on the games you personally play and resolution.. Having both and probably having the 4080 before the 7900xtx, so being used to using the 4080 made it a hard task for the 7900xtx there's no doubt. My main games I was running DLSS and when I ran the XTX in the same games with FSR or sometimes even at native it was obvious to me I preferred using DLSS in a lot of those games. As I said at the start of the video if you only bought one of these gpu's you should be completely happy. I ran DSR combined with DLSS a lot. Especially when running 1440p, setting to 4k DSR and then DLSS quality. It ran and looked great. The one thing I noticed only in certain games was VSR looked blurry trying the same thing. ACC DSR 1440p to 4k and dlss quality looked great ACC VSR 1440p to 4k and fsr quality I found looked worse than 1440p native. I'd be interested to see if you ever find that also. As far as DSR goes I wouldn't suggest going too high with VSR or DSR. Going 8k on a 4k monitor is throwing away FPS for fun. Going 6k will give you just as good a result as your still limited to your 4k pixel count.

@@Spratty-wb3is 100% mate Yeah I did firstly render from 6K with the 4080 but found it did use a bit too much vram and also did kill FPS more So decided to go just under 6K which is the sweet spot in the nvidia control panel That DL setting which is the highest preset & looks better than those legacy settings for some reason, think its 2x quality and you can make it more sharper really impressed tbh Yeah I only tried VSR out mostly in the Yakuza games and Horizon Forbidden west games on AMD so didn't test it massively on there In Outlaws DSR wasn't working very well at all and looked better with my normal settings at 4K, it wasn't rendering the floor properly and made it blurry Vram usage looked fine so I guess it was just Ubisofts Massive engine that didn't like DSR which isn't a surprise tbh knowing them lol

@@Spratty-wb3is Yeah I defo found it to be more worth it rendering just under 6k on the 4080 super otherwise kills fps a bit more than I wanted over 6k 5760x3240 was perfect and just lowered smoothness to 25% & then the image really pops nicely A lot of these UE5 games have a softer blur to them & I much prefer the less soft look personally so defo probably worth turning down some settings in games where it works well with DSR VSR from what I remembered looked better in Forbidden West and Judgement games, But didn't try it in as many games as I have done with DSR so idk Frog done a video using VSR actually on Alan Wake but using Ultra Performance comparing 8K to 4K native The problem with Ultra performance for me is that's where you will get way worse shimmering even on DLSS It's only 33% of the native image, I don't think ppl should go below 50% tbh but that's just me 😆 note: this was pretty much a similar reply as didn't think my first reply posted because wasn't showing up after lol

@RJTHEGAME yeah in only check the top two DL scaling boxes in the control panel. 1.78x and 2.25x. I believe the others are older and not so much optomised but left for those people that still used them. Definitely a good option in scenarios that warrant them. A scary rabbit hole when your already at 4k however. Once you see 4k you can't go back. Don't make that mistake with 6k 🤣....or your in a world of pain.. I'd also say sometimes it does make certain visuals so obvious and pronounced they suddenly stand out in a negative way.....like 4k porn had a negative effect 🤣🤣🤣

@@Spratty-wb3is 🤣🤣Yeah I was thinking that myself actually because in FF16 I saw 4K look slightly more blurry than 6K DLSS performance & I thought "fuck what have I done"🤣 Nah think i'll just have to humble myself and still love 4K and just won't go back to 1440p lol

@gamingfromjohnwayne thanks man I appreciate it 🙏.. More vram would always be nice. More than you need means a higher TDP though, always a trade off.

@el_gregus8080 I was running it at 4k so no cpu bottleneck. Very dependent on resolution. At 1440p in certain scenarios you might have. Also a lot of new games are very cpu demanding even at 4k and in those circumstances any cpu will be the bottleneck. In honesty I wouldn't worry about it too much..

@Wodagazowana5000 There's a lot more variables on PC. With console it's an exact piece of hardware. With PC millions of different combinations of RAM,CPU,MEMORY, GPU, etc... So don't expect to always have the instant experience you'll have with a new game specifically made to run on console. Games made with console in mind are normally rough to begin. Games made for PC are generally good. I have pretty good experience with PC and no want to play console so this is no problem for me as I'm happy to fault find or I'm just happy to wait for a game to be updated and fixed. I fully understand people don't want to do that however..

@Wodagazowana5000 I agree, I certainly wouldn't expect people to buy a 4080 now unless a killer deal was available. I'm just pointing out my experience of these 2 gpu's over this generation.

@dikkie1120 I'm running a 4k 144hz monitor non oled. A also have a 3440x1440p oled monitor and a few regular 1440p 165hz non oled monitors. Oled is awesome for games that's support good HDR, unfortunately a lot less than you would think. However, I'm sure that will change. I mean this is also the reason the FPS advantage on the 7900xtx in COD isn't a big deal for me as the 144hz monitor is my limiting factor and the 4080 hits that.

It's also the reason why Nvidia pushes DLSS so hard. They started the whole (over)hype about ray-tracing and for three generations, the improvement in native ray-tracing has been extremely slow because they've been holding back the full die and selling smaller and cut dies in a higher class than they actually are. So they are trying to mask that lack of performance improvement by pushing the use of DLSS fake frames. Even the 4080 Super struggled to run Cyberpunk with ray-tracing maxed out at high resolution. The 4090 was the only card to run the latest update to Cyberpunk in 4k RT and that was barely 60 FPS, and CBP2077 is a pretty optimized game. Personally I think Nvidia is going to continue keeping the good, full dies of their GPU's for AI bullsht and continue selling us cut down dies at high prices and hyping DLSS numbers instead of the native rendering performance.

@hochhaul I know most people do lol.. I was referring to a certain individual that states paying extra for DLSS is dumb, however also states paying extra for PSSR on the PlayStation pro is totally worth it 😂

It's only two scenario's but in reality, it's every game. Sometimes FSR is good but I've personally not played a game it's come out on top. Other than Horizon which was the best I've seen it, DLSS was still noticeably better.

Dude thanks for the tip! Admittedly I recorded in a higher bit rate so it seemed youtube took an age to process. I didn't realise it would launch until fully processed 😬😂

@fiskare921 totally understandable. I honestly think Nvidia are trying to price the 5090 away from gamers and push them to the 5080. The 5090 silicone is way more valuable then being sold in a gaming gpu. Other people think the opposite and they try to upsell you to the 5090 lol... Arguments both ways. Unfortunately Nvidia have the opportunity to allow the market to set the price and this is the result. In fairness AMD are in a similar position now with the x3d cpu's as the most popular cpu. I bought a 7800x3d 6 months ago for £250, those are now £400 and the 9800x3d £450. Using 50% of your PSU power is actually a positive so no harm done. And depending what model of XTX mine will spike to 600w (sapphire nitro). Fractal North i have my 4080/13700k build in, awesome case. I'll eventually swap it for the XL and put a cpu loop in it. I've just held back waiting to decide if I swap it to AMD or what the new intel cpu's would perform like. I have radiators and reservoirs from previous builds sat doing nothing I'd like to utilise. Good luck with the XTX, I'm sure your gonna love it..