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12thMan
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เข้าร่วมเมื่อ 22 มิ.ย. 2013
I’m Raf, welcome to my TH-cam channel!
Here’s the plan: to discuss and debate alternative points in the football world. Predominately the premier league and have a laugh, too.
Community game: Guess which club I support!
Till next time, Peace!
Here’s the plan: to discuss and debate alternative points in the football world. Predominately the premier league and have a laugh, too.
Community game: Guess which club I support!
Till next time, Peace!
Enzo Revealed Argentina's Hidden Secret
Today, we touch on a sensitive subject. Racism in football. Sparked by Chelsea's Enzo Fernandez and his Argentine teammate singing racist chants after their Copa America Victory, I explore the issue deeper. Within Argentina and the wider football world.
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Real Madrid Knew Something We Didn't
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Arteta Was Right To Change
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The Value Of A Premier League Title
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Making a video on this kid even though it's still too early! I know! We will surely revisit his career in the near future! If you enjoy this video, there are many like it on the channel and more on the way in the future so subscribe. I'm trying to get to 5K SUBS by the end of the year so I would really appreciate it. Also drop a like on this video, it only takes a second and makes a massive dif...
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Is Declan Rice Actually Worth The Price?
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The Downfall Of Virgil Van Dijk
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How TV Deals and Money Is Slowly Killing The Game
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The Death of The Star Player And Who Caused It
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African Nations will never get their hands on the World Cup Trophy
South Africa might of knocked out Morroco but we still suck
I think Egypt & Morocco can reach the quarterfinals again but only Hakimi & one or two others are really good for the Moroccan national team. Mexico or USA may win the world cup before an African team. Ivory Coast, Nigeria & Angola are above average but African teams always choke when the spotlight is on. We don't have the grit & decisiveness that Spain & Germany have to deliver the final blow to win the FIFA World Cup.
The problem is that the quality in Africa is distributed over many different teams. Morocco and Nigeria probably have the most quality, but unlikely enough to win the World Cup.
shitty video from someone who dont know Argentina history and dont know what a football chant is. Keep crying
Porteños are not “latinos” they consider themselves a piece of Europe that arrived to Argentina. One ignorant president from Argentina had even said that argentines, arrived by boats meaning from Europe, While Brazilians came from the jungle and Mexicans came from the Indians. A bit racist don’t you think?
Argentina being racist isn’t a secret 😂
First of all, 2:12 - 2:15 the sound of the crowd is much louder than your voice, so I and many others cannot hear what you are saying. Hopefully this helps. Now, I understand your end goal, the road to change, education and accountability and I am with you. I agree with you 100% on your end goal. However, what I don’t understand about this video, is the specific point you are trying to make. Are you trying to say that racism is bad and giving an example with Enzo and most of Argentine team on that bus being racist? If that is true, it’s kind of a broad point because most people are against racism and understand that racism is bad. Or are you targeting Argentina and many of the people specifically of the racism that goes in the their country? I don’t like to insult people during conversation because it’s irrational and it doesn’t go anywhere. I prefer open discussion. I would like to hear what you have to say about it.
racism runs deep in Argentina is what he is saying i think alongside the subject of racism in sport
@@BasedImranok, I see what you mean. At the same time, isn’t that just generalizing. During the 2021 euros, England vs Italy; after Italy won on penalties, many of the English fans were being racist to the black English players who missed their penalties; does that mean England is deep rooted in racism? Now, I have never been to England, so I don’t know personally, but I would say no, because I have met many English people and they didn’t seem to be racist to me or anyone. Here is my point, many people are using Argentine fans and players who are racist to generalize all of Argentina, which I think is wrong. Unless someone has more evidence to say Argentina is deeply rooted in racism, then we can have more discussion of this topic.
The comment section is full or argentinians saying that they are not racist, while being racist. I'm Brazilian. This is not a "hidden secret". Watch any Libertadores game between a Brazilian team and an Argentinian team, they often imitate monkeys, being openly racist against us, and no punishment for them whatsoever.
Friend, there are thousands of news stories about teams from Argentina that go to Brazil to play Libertadores matches and groups of Brazilians get together to beat Argentinians in the streets and beaches. It even happened in the last Argentina-Brazil match inside the stadium. Who is trying to start a problem then? In any case, racism seems to me to be the perfect excuse to always position yourself as a victim. Even if racism ceased to exist, they would continue to promote its existence because it is a safe conduct when it comes to obtaining a benefit. Being against racism is an unnecessary movement because we have reached a point in history where anyone with 2 neurons is capable of recognizing that it is stupid to treat someone as inferior because of their skin color. If you are black, stop talking about racism, because by doing so and putting yourself as a victim repeatedly, you make people close to even giving you a voice, not because you are black, but because you are an eternal victim regardless of the circumstances and that it becomes cancine.
@@strongest32 ok racist
@@Finwens lol, sad, truly sad.
The chant was not racist
what was it then?
@@nachhilfegeben5958truth
Why did they only mention the players with African descent then?
@@nachhilfegeben5958 the truth
@@nachhilfegeben5958 so you are saying that telling in a song that people come from africa is racist? it sounds to me, that you thinking that coming from africa is bad, is racist
So you think Messi is in good company in racist Florida? Guess, you are a CR7 fan!🙄🤦🏻♂️
The arjentine players have been Giving racist remarks towards Mbappe scince the worldcup.What are you getting butthurt for ?
@@goku-fs7 FOOTBALL CHANT FOLCLORE. if u dont know what it is, shut the f()ck up
No way Argentina is 85% white. I'm from Argentina. You are just an ignorant. For example Molina, Di Maria, Lautaro are not white, most of people in Argentina are like them.
Questions: how many people total were in buenos aires in 1816? When was slavery abolished? I mean I'm not saying that argentinians are not racist, I'm only saying that racism here is different than in other places, it happens more towards brown people of countries sorrounding us than towards black people. Also, Argentina stopped buying black slaves since the early 1800's. Btw, Argentina doesn't still have colonies in Africa, now we demand tributes to the ones that got away and declared independence.
I am Argentine and as you said at the end of the video, I do not think you made this video with malevolence but rather out of ignorance. Argentina is not racist, it is so little racist that we call ourselves "negro" among friends, even though we are white, and the person who is truly black takes it as an affectionate nickname and not in an offensive way. The decline in the black population during the 19th century is not due to the annihilation of that group of people but to the miscegenation between various races that occurred over generations because precisely, from the beginning, there was similar treatment between races in our country, very different from what was happening at the same time in countries like the USA. Our black population was small from the beginning because slavery did not exist and the bulk of our people today come from Spanish and Italian ancestors who decided to immigrate here. Demanding that we have "black players" in the national team or more black population is crazy. It is like demanding the same from an Asian country such as China or Japan. I don't know if you are black or not, but if you are, come to Argentina for a few weeks, you will see that no one will insult you, treat you badly, judge you and you may even make friends that you want to have for the rest of your life. All of this that I just said seems to lose meaning when you listen to the song that the players sang, but the truth is that having such a deep-rooted soccer culture, it is normal for us to make chants in soccer stadiums in order to make fun of the rival, that people from other countries tend to misunderstand and overexaggerate. It is a song that remains in football folklore and does not transcend that. By the way, it is not racist to say that France is currently made up of African immigration because it is a FACT. Racists are the people who listen to that song and assign racist connotations to it because they themselves believe that there is something wrong with being black.
The same country that hid the n@zis?
Us Argentinians have banter with our neighbouring countries (very hard banter) no one else should be involved or have to say anything in the matter, because they will never understand. Sometimes there is hurt feelings but we handle it on our own, between us and the other latam countries. I don't respect other people weighing in on this because its pointless and only serves to give a bad image to people who are also ignorant
It is crazy to see Argentines tie themselves into a knot trying to prove that it wasn't racist, all while the main perpetrator, Enzo, apologized immediately. You are making your country look bad. The fact is that if you want to work in the west and or establish geopolitical ties with them, you have to play by THEIR rules. Enzo plays for Chelsea (and english club with black french players), and Javier is looking for more IMF funding. This kind of behavior is not acceptable.
@@difference018 We are making our country look bad? Or you are constantly pushing it and trying to make us look bad? Enzo apologized, the responsibility of this whole thing is on us and the opponents, you're just trying to find some higher ground for yourself to tell people what to do. You don't tell us what to do though, never. In fact, this whole debacle is already going into irrelevance, you and the OP of the video pushing this only proves my point
@@Cronalixz It's not irrelevant if there was literally a fight between France and Argentina during the Olympics. Stop denying reality
85% white????? Literally haft the country is mestizo, including Enzo Fernandez, and your calling that white?????
Racism is not only social accepted but is part of some nations' history, culture and self image.
argentina is not racist. learn what a football chant is
Holy shit this is so well made
Very much appreciated ❤️
its shit. both of u doesnt know argentina
Greatly Appreciate that you try to never waste anyone's time. Peace ✌🏻
This man knows ball ⚽. Hate him later
The thumbnail's argument is not justified.
ENGLAND DO NOT PLAY TO THEIR FULL POTENTIAL AND WHEN THEY MEET A TOP IN FORMED SIDE THEY LOSE, LIKE CROATIA, ITALY, FRANCE AND SPAIN, WERE ALL SIDES IN TOP FORM ENGLAND LOST TO IN WORLD CUP'S OR A EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS FINAL. THEY ARE OVER RATED AND TOO MUCH HYPED UP FROM THE MEDIA AND FANS SAYING FOOTBALL IS COMING AFTER 58 YEARS OF HURT, WHY MUST IT COME HOME, [DELUDED] IF ENGLAND DO NOT PLAY WELL AND CAN NOT BEAT THE BEST, PLEASE EXPLAIN?
Never listen to a person who can't spell Evolve 🏴🏴
yoo ur actually so underrated
Africa already won the world cup they just changed their name into France.
Quality content 👏
Thank you 🙏
Carlo is the UCL 🐐
Love for Cameroon
I'm sorry, but in Raya first 29 EPL matches, he has only made 41 saves, and both keepers have made 49 total. The next busiest is City, with 69 total against. Our keepers have been making something like 1 .3 saves a game. They have had it easy.. Rayas save percentage in those 29 games is a poor 67%, and in those 29 EPL games, Matt Turner has a better save percentage . Raya has made at least 8 major errors. 2 against Spurs, 3 against City 1 against Chelsea, and 2 against Luton. That's an error for every 5 saves he makes. Raya didn't win the golden glove by himself with the type of saves Ramsdale had to make the last 2 seasons. He has had the benefit of the best CB pairing in the league complimented by great FBs and a front-line press that keeps the ball up the pitch more than any other team. Raya's only saving grace is he can pass the ball, which has mildly helped us this season, but it has not been the game breaker. Some made it out to be and have actually cost us goals through his poor passes. I personally think the Golden Glove is given for the wrong reason. It should be given to the keeper that makes the most saves, not keepers that blessed with great teams infrontvof them. Raya is not worth the 30 million plus whatever a backup will cost. There is not enough of any kind of an improvement to warent that kind of money being spent when we have much more pressing needs. Yes, Ramsdale made some errors last season but not 1 for every 5 saves, and by my count last season, I made 32 big saves in the EPL alone. Without those saves, we don't finish 2nd and probably don't get 4th. By the way I believe Raya is ranked around 15 in the league. Your stats comparing the 2 are very misleading as Ramsdale did not have the the defence infront of him that Raya has had , he lost the spin of the team half way through the season when Party and Saliba went down. Ramsdale had to rely on the likes of Elneny and Holding . They are very different keepers, and with Raya coming out a lot more, which has cost us goals against with the last example just a few games ago. His communication skills with his defenders have also been questionable, costing us at least 2 EPL goals. Stats are only reliable with proper context, so any comparisons are pointless. You can't even compare this season because Ramsdale's starts have been few and far between, and the rust shows when he is called upon. If we don't win the title it wasn't because of the games against Villa Fulham and West Ham. We were never in those games to win them. It will be because we drew against Spurs and Chelsea. We should have won those games but Raya made 2 huge errors that cost us 2 wins and 4 points. Those 4 points put us ahead with our destiny in our hands not Citys
We need better than raya to compete at the top
Arsenal fans saying its due to defence😂😂😂 This is the same defence last season saliba only missed last 6 league games...same defence. Last season Arsenal were conceding avoidable goals as much as they were flying high on the table. This season with Raya he installed calmness and composure which made the defence calm too and less individual mistakes. Ramsdale is good at savings but this is Arsenal not crystal palace or Burnley who are behind the ball and recieve attacks after attack and depend on Goalkeeper savings. Arsenal are always the team to keep possession and thats where they need a keeper like Raya who is part of the possession.
Raya did have individual mistakes as much as Ramsdale do - but his ability to handle crossing balls is very good. And to be fair - the defence system this season is better than last season. Raya is still a better option than Ramsdale in my opinion. Besides that - this season - there were matches that Arsenal is not having much possesion - like Man City and Tottenham games.
Arteta only saw his compatriot in rayo that's all that guy is not good at all
He’s only visibly better than Ramsdale for a progressive side) Perhaps Ramsdale would be better for West Ham)
Pick a different sport because your are blind to the changes mate😂👍
Raya's cross stopping ability is really good. And when one of your go to defensive tactics in to overload the centre and allow space out wide, it's critical. So we've used Raya in order to play a better defensive strategy m
This guy literally has the most clean sheets right now and Arsenal are first right now too. That's enough reason to say he deserves the spot in goal. He's literally saved more shots than most keepers.
Clean sheets man? Literally only 44 shots he's saved this season not even average to his competition Jordan picford 112
That guy ain't sh*t just teeth
@@Austin_Grace You made a good point and then i lost you man. What do you mean? 😂
Am an arsenal fan to the bones but to tell you if arsenal had this seriousness of a defense last season we would've won the league with ramsdale saves, am telling you raya ain't tested, just permitted
Artetas secret to finish 2nd again, what a genius 😂😂😂
He is actually. To beat the best team in the world in the season long race became so easy for some low iqs nowadays 🥱
As an arsenal fan raya is better❤
Martinez is better than both. If Raya keep making mistakes like that - Arsenal will have to pay more and more, actually they have been eliminated from Champions League by his mistakes in Bayern Munich game - Champions League is where personal mistakes will be punished by big opponents. You simply cannot afford those kind of mistakes time after time in important games
Martinez ain't sh*t, just a coc*y ba**ard, i would hate him even if he plies his tread with arsenal for all his kokiness
What mistakes with Bayern? 😂 We don’t talk about Jakob Kiwior here) Martinez is bang average for a big side and great for an average side. Keeper are now as much about stylistic differences of teams as outfield players. Our football (every big team’s football) demands regista in the goal, Martinez loses to Raya in this significantly. He’s better shot stopper clearly but who needs a shot stopper if you have all the possession.
@@alekseifedorov949 check the stats this season. Martinez has more passes, higher complete rate than Raya - this season, and of course zero error lead to goal. The first goal vs Bayern at Emirates is an error of Raya by going out high and wrong time. By your theories, Real Madrid may not be a big team at all, because their GK does not play that style.
The only thing Ramsdale is better than Raya is shot-stopping trait. Arsenal defends were not as solid as the current one, and we saw a lot of wonderful saves from Ramsdale. However, Ramsdale is poorer than Raya in many area - calm, resiliency, positioning, box commanding, ball distribution. I love Ramsdale, but Raya is un upgrade of him.
I love Ramsdale but in his own words he struggles to keep focus for 90. Raya on the other hand is always watching the ball
Raya is the reason we are not playing tonight.
Because he saved 2 penalties in the round of 16 shootout? Are you going to try telling us he threw away the quarters?
you are dense
agreed, his mistakes cost us the 1st leg game. Honestly with penalty, if we still have Martinez we don't have to think much. A mistake is a mistake. Penalty savings won't cover your mistakes in games, especially with opponent like Bayern.
@@nguyenan1750You have a weird obsession with Martinez.... Take that to Aston Villa and leave us would ya? He no longer plays for Arsenal... Let it go ffs lad😂
ramsdale was never 'good with his feet' average at best. the number of mistakes and times he thought he had more time than he did was so painful to watch, despite his great shot stopping. arteta made the right call for the type of football he wanted from the team
Ramsdale needed a competition to buckle up more, not to be benched permanently but our stupid manager opted for his countrymen instead
@@Austin_GraceDon't take it personal mate
@@Austin_Gracestupid manager is already top 10 in the history of this league 😂 you stupid to not handling your takes properly. So he needed a completion, right? He got one. Oh, and he’s lost one. It’s only you here who cares about compatriots.
@@Austin_Grace arteta made decisions that led to us being top of the league with 4 games to go and you wanna call him stupid n shit 😂 go get your coaching badges and do better then lol
As an arsenal fan I was gutted to see Ramsdale 'replaced'. Can 100% see the difference in the two keepers although marginally I do think Raya is better. Especially when it comes to commanding the box.
Not an Arsenal fan, but just a little tip. If you guys wanna be the top club you claim to be, you'll have to get used to ruthless decisions and your favorites getting replaced by better players. Part of the game
Nothing about Raya is stealing the show. Good with his feetz & absolutely nothing else. The fact you equated Raya & Ramsdale's shot stopping is laughable. He's not saved us 1 game this season, & dif not for our super strong team we would have lost 6 more games due to him. Whereas last year Ramsdale def saved us some games.
Dude, you lost a title because of Ramsdale's mistakes
You also forget the attacking benefit that raya has. This would then result in more opportunities for raya to win arsenal games outside of simply shot stopping abilities. Players like david de gea are wonderfull shot stoppers but in the modern game. Theres more that a gk can contribute then simply providing security in front of goal.
imagine not having the ability to analyze football
Ramsdale fanboi being salty and seeing the bigger picture.
Even with statistics you still defend ramsdale?you must be English.
If you want to compare Haaland with someone in terms of general play, just use Haaland in the Bundesliga - he was excellent both on and off the ball and just doesn't play that way anymore
Roy said he is the best striker in the game, and you proved that and that Roy was correct. The REST of his game is 💩 so thanks for proving Keano to be correct 😂 not sure what your conclusion proved when what he is paid for and does is not in dispute. The REST of his game is 😂 what happens if he loses the scoring touch what's left apart from the bench as he has little else to offer. Not that what he does offer isn't spectacular as it is 👊🏾
kane is leagues above any striker to play in the premier league, the record of having the golden boot as well as golden ball is unreal
Really good content for such a little channel. Keep it up bro you earned a sub
That’s means lot. Thanks 🙏
Also some competitions are more important. you cannot just say net spend per trophy. It matters what trophy was won. I believe order of importance of what an English club can win is: 1. Champions League 2. Premier League 3. Europa League 4. FA Cup 5. League Cup 6. UEFA Conference League 7. FIFA club world cup 8. UEFA Super Cup 9. Community Shield
It’s true Micheal but just like the point of the video we can’t really decide what’s more important to each club.
As an Arsenal fan, I’d take the prem over UCL right now😅
As an Arsenal fan, I don’t know what to say about the net spend per trophy! Lord have mercy and grant me patience 😂😂
lol no
Bro your editing style has improved so much. Hope you see some new subscribers soon🙏🏼
that means alot! thanks bro!
ur underrted asf bro
much appreciated bro!