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You are totally right! It doesn't replace the on water experience. And it doesn't support any bladework training. But is does provide the body weigth movement similar as in the boat, and so it does improve the most difficult movement parts (like change of direction, connection timing at the catch and stoke effectiveness, like stroke smoothness and length) of the rowing stroke. And prevent lower back injuries at the same time. The reason most international rowing and high performances teams are using RP3 for their daily workout, next to the boattraining. And more and more club level rowers are experiencing fast technical improvements (mostly with 3-4 weeks), by using RP3 in there schedules, with the RP3 Coach Approach. it is comparable with training for a speedskate event on figure skating skates. Both are skating and on ice, but I always would choose the skates that are used during the regatta.

@@RP3Rowing I appreciate your detailed explanation. 👍

Good idea! You are right, the portal is changed a lot the last year, starting with the launch of the new version last spring (april 2023) and all the new functionality added since then. Now (summer 2024) we do have the beta release of the Advanced edition, with these extensions in this video. Next to the crew and reporting functions. In the RP3 App we have the Power field which represents the power of the stroke. "Split Power" is a calculated field with the C2 formula, from spilt to Power, to sort of compare those. The C2 values are adjusted for higher stroke rates, because of the loss of energy. That is the reason the difference increases when the rates are rising. You can read about it in one of the whitepapers: rp3rowing.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Findings_and_conclusions_Static_vs_Dynamic_power_calculations_1_0.pdf

@@RP3Rowing thanks that’s an interesting white paper. Is that the same Stef Broenink who is about to race the 2x in Paris?

@@anthonyward5329 yes it is!

@@anthonyward5329 FYI: we are working on content like this: th-cam.com/video/VrvFmzLFn9o/w-d-xo.html for the RP3 Academy (private).

It uses the accelerometer sensor to 'feel' the strokes. Next to the time and distance via GPS and so speed, you can see stroke rate. And heart rate via the BT connection. The basics are provided in the Advanced edition.

@@RP3Rowing thank you.

Two times world champion and leader in world cup series. Favorite for gold in Paris. Perhaps there is the right momentum in the end of the stroke. Don't compare it with static indoor rowing, where there is often too much momentum in the stroke and you need to perform a sit up not to fall off.

Indeed: what Stef is showing is the effect of moving body weight on the movement and the forces. Training on a static erg is very different concerning bio dynamics comparing rowing in the boat. Rowing the boat is NOT moving up and down, turning weight, pushing and pulling the footplates for not falling off the erg. Moving body weight is using different muscle groups.

You are right, but don't forget the current /new generation of rowers. We are at the start of the next phase in rowing. Things are changing. Like some of the bigger changes in rowing before, like change from wooden boats, rigging constructions and big blades. Rowing dynamics is about to make a leap. You can already see the first signs of this movement looking back to the Worlds in Belgrade. Paris Olympics will be showing even more.

Who did tell you that? You could look at all the videos from World Rowing. Take the A-finals on the last few world championships. And count how many rowers do have back rounded. let me know 🙂

From what i know it can be a bit dangerous, like deadlifting with a bent back, but in the boat it allows for a little more power by curling the back and straightening it during the drive. Most people don’t do it and probably shouldn’t do it unless they are at a higher level where every bit of power counts. That’s just a guess. I have only been rowing for a couple years.

​@@enderawesome4521I just think that the mobility to have a straight back when rocked over is quite hard and most rowers tend to have levers such that it is harder and so they just don't have the mobility and haven't learned as it isn't so important

It is a no no, just some rowers often find that in that postition they can generate more power with less effort, although it is dangerous and you can get hurt

please explain some more. Is this about this video or your own workout?

it is anticipation of the start of the new stroke, just before the chain movement turns and the flywheel starts to accelarates again. You can ignore it, has nothing to do with your drive. It probably will we gone soon.

@@RP3Rowing thanks for your reply. Yes it’s a bit of a distraction for me and I see a few people on forums questioning what it is. I think it would be best to remove. Thanks

We are glad to see more and more rowers, specially on the highest and all competitive levels using RP3 for training and preparing best for regatta's. These moving parts are ment to simulate the rowing movement like in the boat, and it works for all of them.

@@RP3Rowingtrying to order a handle but I can’t get a shipping quote. I’m in Canada. Any help would be appreciated!!!!

@@TheTehrancarroll please send an email about this to info@rp3rowing.com. Thank you.

dit is de warm up voor de EK wedstrijd in Bled. Het was vrij warm en dit is een zak met ijs.

@@RP3Rowingdank voor de verduidelijking 👍🏻

Oh ok. I was going to guess it was the testicles of the last guy she defeated.

RP3 and C2 are different. Both are rowing machines where you can perform a rowing movement. But those are not the same. There is a scientific document that explains it: static vs. dynamic. Perfect to go for the world record on C2, but more and more on water rowers are moving towards RP3 for a reason. Olli Zeidler explains it. He is going for gold and optimizes his chances with RP3, as world champion Stef Broenink (in mens double) and his Dutch teammates do.

@@RP3Rowing yes, people are using both, a lot of clubs will have one or two at their sheds. Though globally the dominant erg in national programs is still the C2 and they are the benchmark for testing. Most countries have transitioned to C2 on sliders, eg - Aus (women’s centre typically use without sliders), US, NZL, England, Ireland etc. Benefits are the same as RP3 of movement underneath, as well as being able to use multiple linked together to mimic on water crew rowing. Olli does seem to like RP3, which is good and I’m sure they help. He’s also a genetic freak who was dual world champ, dual European champ, dual Dimond scull champ prior to sponsorship (this while using a C2). The RP3 is a good tool, though I stand by the original comment, the ergo world record will always be based off the C2, supported by Olli himself with him publishing his C2 erg PBs (as well as many many training sessions) prior to sponsorship and during his above notes achievements.

@@Mdgfievf the transition to C2 on sliders says it all, but still is suboptimal (the mass is still to high). You are mentioning IRL and NZL who just switched to RP3. not like the Dutch who are just RP3, but will be going there as the results will be more clear next year. AUS, GER and GBR probably will follow after Paris, because LA will be 1500m which demands other dynamics (even more dynamic rowing and higher storke rates). I don't know your rowing background and your involvement with the big (and smaller) national rowing programs, but I can assure you: things are changing. C2 records are great, but not directly related to World Class (and other levels) rowing on water. The different physics are undeniable clear.

@@RP3Rowing RP3 are very good machines and I’m sure that IRL & NZL are utilising RP3 as an alternative for many off water sessions, however for records and testing it still based off C2… especially during the trialing process.

It is in the changing season

also see the short posted last week: th-cam.com/users/shortsPD-g7OEDY1g about difference between static and dynamic ergometer. Rowing in a boat is actually NOT moving up and down, like you do on a static erg. Rowing is getting the boat come and push the boat away again, with the rower at almost constant speed. So watching rowing is an optical illusion. Forces are different on a static erg. Rowing dynamic is being connected with the flywheel and the feet, like in the boat.

@@RP3Rowing Ohhh I see -- so the rush and swing are visible here; its like the slides I have on my concept2

@@justanunverifieduser2075 yep C2 on sliders does a pretty good job of being like the RP3....except when you keep hitting the front and back...and get really annoyed.

@@andyhall7032 pick one rate and then never change it ever lol

wobble seat is quite new. Not many people are using it. Coastal Rowing is a new rowing format, where you go our from the beach, thruogh the waves, so a seat to easy stay seated is nice.

i think it is ice in a pantyhose. Is was a warm day in Bled in May

you are allowed to chose what you want. If you look to rowing dynamics (forces and movement of bodyweight) and want to get better as a rower, it is an easy choice. I would say: if this does apply, just try it!

You obviously don’t have clue about rowing, stick to the CrossFit

@@cannibalholocaust3015 RP3 is very commonly used in national teams, as well as basically all well funded school, club, and university teams as well. Dynamics are useful as you need to connect with the handle in a similar way to on the water which helps with technique. If you're wondering about concept 2, they also offer a dynamic erg, as well as sliders for their regular erg which both achieve the same effect of the RP3, though for standardised erg testing, the regular concept 2 is still the go-to option. I'm not one to go and defend companies, but your comment is just dumb.

@@the_shadow_11100% agree with your comment

this allows you to develop boat feel better than a c2.

what do you see is happening? hint: bodyweight movement is impacting forces and dynamics.

this is what the majority of indoor rowers still doing. See the effect of moving body weigth when changing from dynamic (like in the boat) to static in this video. Watching rowing (on water) is an optical illusion. You think rowers are moving up and down in the boat, but it is not. Rowers themselves have the more constant speed and letting the boat come and push the boat away again. That makes the boat go: a dynamic movement of the rower and boat in the 'system.' Training dynamic is similar with moving in the boat. This video shows it.

....it's showing the difference between static and dynamic rowers.

But it is not. It does not work the same on every machine. With some machines it measures the movement of the chain. That is often the reason people pulling towards their chin, because it calculates more movement and then you have get a better score. But that is NOT how rowing works. You can't pull your oar or scull towards your chin. Yeah, do can, but the boat will stop going. On all RP3 machines the measurements are concerning the acceleration / deceleration of the flywheel, with are all exactly the same (with 0,009% accuracy) and certified by University of Ulm (Germany).

@@RP3Rowingbut concept 2s work by calculating the speed of the flywheel and if you pull it to your chin the same result will occur as on the this machine. The rp3 also calculates the split based on the flywheel which is affected in the exact same way, so I don’t see this “huge innovation”??

@@RP3Rowingthat’s what someone who didn’t doesn’t actually understand the difference would say…

agreed

I bet you're fun at parties

@@jameswars14 Have you heard the joke about the sculler?