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เข้าร่วมเมื่อ 28 ก.พ. 2010
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Why the 2025 DR-Z4S IS Better
This is just my thoughts on the all new 2025 DR-Z4S (DRZ4S, DRZ4SM, DR-ZSM) as someone who currently owns a 2006 DRZ400 (DRZ400SM technically.
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I removed all of the plates and now the key turn freely but my theft system is going on and off repeatedly when open the doors
@@hugoramirez3420 if you have a newer model year it’s possible they built in some theft deterrent system of overcome this. But on mine even if you bypassed the lock cylinder entirely it wouldn’t throw a theft code
Thank you! Worked like a charm! And I ca confirm, it in fact works with the key of a 2014 Corolla as that my other car too 😂
Awesome riding out there, we rode atvs for a week but i wanna get out there on my crf300l
We don't know that the gear ratios have changed, though. Suzuki has only stated that they changed the gear parts to reduce friction. They didn't mention gear ratios.
Dude, thanks 🙏. So glad your favorite is the one I'm getting! Wr250r 😊
I’ll reserve my judgement until I get a chance to ride it. Honestly, I’ll take efi and 15lbs over a carburetor. I ride in the winter. I want to be able to take off after 30 sec of idling, not 5 min
I’ve had 4 WR’s over the years. Always wanted to try a DRZ but I won’t go back to a carb Now it’s different. Not excited about electronics and extra weight. But unless other manufactures come up with something, the DRZ4S is going to dominate the market
Its interesting to hear other peoples perspective on these new models. I am definitely curious about how they will perform bone stock and likewise curious about what the aftermarket possibilities will be. Will it be a complete ecu swap out if you want to do an exhaust/intake modification or will it be programmable? This will make a big difference on const in my opinion. I think that is a huge Achilles heel of the 450L and RL models and makes them less popular. Mechanically, it will be interesting to see how the gearing changes impact the performance on and off road. I'm hoping the ride modes are something you can just turn off and leave off unlike some of the counterparts like the ktm 690 where you have turn off each time you switch your key off. I definitely would like to see one in person and do some comparisons. I honestly think that the RMX450Z was the new DRZ that never was. It was lighter, had EFI, factory EFI, Aluminum frame, electric and kick start, ect but that's just my opinion. It also was the good kind of EFI where you have a throttle position sensor and you have an actual throttle cable. The throttle by wire on these makes me nervous. If they don't do it right, it will ruin the platform. I'll stick to my carbed versions and I'll sit back and watch.
I'm excited to see how it pans out as well. I won't be picking one up for quite a few years regardless. I'm going to do the same thing as you and sit back on my 2006 DRZ and watch.
@OgreMoto hopefully yours has the e petcock and the FCR
Lets hope cams , bb kits and nova gears transfer over to the new model😊
It's very interesting that Suzuki has decided to update the DR. As for the KLR reference, the EFI on the gen3 KLR didn't make the bike any faster but it did make it a better starter in cold weather and improved the economy and the bike seems less stressed at 75mph. The big change was the longer swingarm which did wonders for the handling on bad and loose surfaces. Kawasaki should have made 5th gear a little taller and 1st a little lower but they didn't.
It's the DR-Z (400) that's getting updated, not the DR (650)
@@deerinmyyard8430 Yes, they both start with DR but the topic was the 400.
Thanks for doing the genetically superior reviews, (kidding, not kidding ) I’m quite tall and have trouble sorting through average height people’s reviews of many bikes. Things they struggle with are sometimes absolute non issues for us tall guys, but, without actually doing certain things , who’s to know? Anyways, kidding aside, size, ergonomics and weight matter and are very different for different sized people. I appreciate you sharing your experiences as someone over average height and weight for us who are far from average.
New gear doesn't mean new ratios. In their release they said they are made of a new alloy that will reduce drag. They didn't say anything about ratios.
@@TommyNitro I’m still hopeful regardless.
@@OgreMoto Me, too. But somewhat hesitantly.
Ratios are the same
@@CollinMac96 Did they confirm this? I know the release said nothing about it.
I hope it works out but I already have a great DRZ with many farkles. I don’t care bout weight because I end up adding bags and racks and guards anyway.
@@smashy_smasherton same. I don’t plan on buying the new one anytime soon but I have my hopes up lol.
Its not an exploded view, its a cut away.
@@johncrow5552 is this pedantry?
Carb jetting was the biggest drawback on the old one. Living at sea level and ridng in the high mountains in Colorado meant you spent way to much time with the carb off. Gearing and power were never a problem even on the most technical trails if it was properly jetted. If the price stays in the same ballpark the better spread of gears, upgraded suspension and better ergos are icing on the cake. Aftermarket exhaust, lighter turn signals and taillight unit plus a lithium battery should put the weight back in the ballpark.
And pulling the carb to make jetting changes is a HUGE project because the carb is jammed in there so tight.
It cant be that much to do a gear swap on the moto trans. Especially if its just fifth. Toss a nice long tooth gear in there the highest you can go and caller a day!
Loved my DR350 but hated the carburetor so EFI was a long awaited and welcome improvement. Welcome to the 90s! I wish Kawasaki made a KLX450. They should make a KLX450 ADV with a five gallon fuel tank and a large rear rack.
Man I wish. That'd be a dream. It seems like no manufacturer wants to make everyone the bike we've all been asking for lol.
@@OgreMoto - For decades, the Big Moto cartel conspired not to have small off road oriented ADV bikes despite our anguished pleas. They finally relented somewhat and we got small ADV bikes but they didn't have enough power for comfortable highway cruising, they were heavier than they should be and they were generally de-featured. This was done to prevent them from siphoning sales from their more profitable bloated mid and full size ADV bikes. The smaller ADV bikes were added to their lineups to attract beginner riders and get them on the upgrade path to more expensive bikes. The Chinese are not part of the Big Moto cartel, and they've disrupted the market. Kove launched their 450 Rally and it was certainly off road capable and had a huge range but it was basically their Dakar race bike. Still, even with the short service intervals and race quirkiness, it garnered a lot of interest from a market starving for a lightweight off road ADV bike. Then CF Moto announced their 450 Ibex (MT outside the US). Still not exactly what we've been begging for, but much closer. The Big Moto cartel is reading the positive online comments from an ADV community that is overjoyed that a manufacturer is finally listening and trying to deliver what we want. As a result of the Chinese disrupting the market, the Big Moto cartel is losing market share and has no choice but to respond with their products to compete, to avoid losing market share to a devastating extent. The BMW F450GS concept bike looks excellent. The production F450GS will be different of course, but hopefully BMW and their TVS contract manufacturer will keep the parts that matter to us. The Aprilia Toureg 660 was well received and now it looks like there will be a Toureg 457. Royal Enfield now has a popular Himalayan 457. After decades of the Big Moto cartel telling us what big ADV bikes we should buy, things are finally looking better. The next couple of years should be interesting. Even the very conservative Japanese motorcycle manufacturers might be compelled to make 400-500 cc lightweight off road oriented ADV bikes.
Based on the thumbnail, I came here hoping to hear that the new DR-Z4S has a better gear spread to make it more useful than the previous model. Instead, I learned that it *might* have different gear ratios. I wanted to see a 6 speed but honestly, five gears spread out more would work. It needs a low 1st and 2nd for off road, a high 5th for on road overdrive, and 3rd and 4th that space out the middle evenly. Why is that so difficult? +1 for EFI!
you can put in an other gear ratio, aftermaket gearing for the drz
@@realpremier - I didn't know that. Thanks! However, the most I'm likely to do is change the overall gearing with the sprockets, rather than cracking the case to change the gear ratios in the transmission. That's a bit above my pay grade.
@@Liberty4Ever i have done it, but overhauled the whole engine..quite expensive gears, about 800 Usd i believe
My guy, suzuki said they revised the transmission gear profiles and shoulders for oil drag. Suzuki still says it has a ‘compact’ 5 speed. They do not once mention revised ratios. Dont you think theyd have mentioned revised ratios with all this internet hate about the gear spacing? Its the same gear ratios as before, just get the bike and install the ACT wide ratio gearset. Problem solved for additional $3000.
It's a valid concern for sure, but we'll just have to wait and see. I'm hopeful. I'm not buying one regardless for many years so it ain't a big deal to me regardless. Also, no way in hell am I spending $800 and splitting the cases to put in a different gearset lol. That's 1/3 of what I paid for my DRZ as a whole.
@ i was hopeful until i realized what a big miss it was to not mention anything about ratios on their site or marketing. Theres no way theyd miss that opportunity to talk about it had they actually made that change. Frankly with the enduro 390 R weighing 365lbs, and the drz with same stupid compact 5, im thinking of waiting for honda to make the crf350l. That would be perfect.
@ Or Yamaha with a WR350R. Not sure why they even nixed the WR250R.
I agree, I think people draw conclusions too fast based on paper stats. However, you zoomed in on the engine with some attention to detail with reasonable afterthought regarding the changes. Lastly, for anyone who made a quick judgement call that this bike is not an upgrade, your call out regarding EFI, ABS, catalytic convertor etc. all adding weight, that cannot be avoided per EU requirements if Suzuki wants to continue selling the bike in those countries with stringent regs. It would be nice if people took all that into consideration. It still may not be the bike for them nothing wrong with that, but at the very least....I think people should reserve judgement until reviewers have ridding the bike and can provide hands on feedback instead of people basing their decisions on paper stats.
I went the opposite direction. Sold my WR250R for a DRZ because I wanted more power. After putting about 15k on each bike, I can say that the WR250R was the superior bike. I'm not really excited about the new DRZ. They didn't change enough to improve the character of the bike. I wish Yamaha would build a WR400R and get back in the game.
I agree with you completely that the WR250R is the superior machine in all aspects besides power when compared to the DRZ. I'll never understand why they got rid of it. It's far better than the CRF300 and KLX300 by a landslide.
WR450
I hear ya! Hope it pans out, and power increased/weight reduced for as cheaply as the original.
You complain about fuelling issues with the old DRZ and you bought a CRF450L?
My fueling issues with the DRZ referred to leaving me stranded. The 450L never left me stranded even on the stock ECU. Regardless, my 450RL had a Get SX1 ECU. Really changes the bike and honestly made it kind of terrifying power wise. Definitely more than I can handle.
I mean a 5 speed is not a deal breaker, if you have ridden a YZ250 vs. a YZ250X in the woods or on a faster track a small gearing change in the transmission added a ton of top speed to the bike. I'd love to try one.
Right! And according to the internet Suzuki not adding a 6 speed is the end of the world lol.
Well, let us know if it has a wide range five-speed transmission that's good enough to merit not complaining about it not having that 6th gear which would allow a super low first and an interstate overdrive.
@@papatorr3669 almost all 6 speeds I’ve owned/tried don’t have gear spacing like that tho... And regardless, I ain’t gonna be buying one for years even if it is the same price. I paid 2800 for my DRZ and am not gonna shell out 7-8k for a toy. I’d rather have a new car.
@OgreMoto You are more like me then. I have two dozen motorcycles and my price range is from about $800 to around $2,500. Twice I've spent $3,500 on a bike and each time regretted it somewhat. It was my impression that WR 250 stands for wide range transmission. I think in some kind of a race a narrow range transmission may be better, but on the street when I'm trying to decide between two bikes I will pick the one with the wider range transmission or the extra gear. I enjoy your videos and your delivery. Something to relax to when you want to chill out. Your comparison between the KLR650 and the DR650 we're specially helpful and spot on in that you introduced the size of the Rider as a factor to consider.
Why are inverted forks a benefit? Leaks? Harder to work on?
They are more rigid due to the thicker part of the fork being held by the triple clamp
@@benadams1826 more rigid meaning better feedback from the front end, the strongest part of the stantion is in the triple clamps meaning they don’t get misaligned in crashes as easily (which happened all the time on my old DRZ), less unsprung weight, and definitely not harder to work on, depending on the design they’re the same or easier.
@@OgreMoto Personally for me I like things to be as simple as possible while still being sufficient. I'm an average rider and probably would never notice any improvements that USD forks could give and I had read they are more complicated to service. I'm no expert though. I do know a lot of solid bikes have the traditional style (KLR650, XR650L, DR650 for example) and sometimes I think bike manufactures push "premium" features to justify the higher prices when it's not really needed (same with cars and trucks, can't buy anything simple anymore). This new DRZ4 has a lot of new electronic tech, that's not really anything I'd want but would be forced to pay for if buying it. But everyone's opinions vary. I think time will tell if this new bike is good, but if they'd have left things mostly the same except given EFI and a 6th gear I think most would have been happy.
@ I feel ya with the added electronics, I don't like that either. I ain't buying one right away because I'm too cheap anyways. I paid $2800 for my current DRZ and if I'm paying 7-8k I'm just gonna buy a new car instead. I think I'd rather just pick up a used CRF450L/RL for 5-6k again anyways. Also, inverted forks aren't premium, they're standard now. Whether they're harder to service entirely depends on design as well which also applies to standard forks as well. If it's an open cartridge single chamber USD fork like the WR250R, CRF300, KLX300, it'll be super easy to work on, but if it's a closed chamber dual cartridge like the KYB SSS design, yeah, it's more complicated, but also leagues better. My WR250R's forks were easier to service than my old DRZ400's standard fork though. Of course my current DRZ is an SM model meaning it's got USD forks already.
@@OgreMoto Well, agree w most of what you said but bikes I mentioned - all 3 are widely considered kings of the dual sports (KLR, XR, DR) all have traditional forks so how can USD be "standard". My klx230 which I love has traditional. I can see supermoto's getting the benefit of the stiffness so pretty much standard there, even klx230sm has it. But still not on all off road bikes.
From what I've heard from people working in dealerships, the new DRZ is going to be quite a bit more expensive.
@@6Twisted that’s unfortunate. If it is it’s going to die out pretty quick. But if there’s anything I’ve learned from dealerships though too, it’s that they don’t know shit lol. They’ll definitely be marking it up regardless.
Anything over $8k and it's d.O.a.
I have a deposit on a Gray DR-Z4S. I've owned my 2002 DR-Z 400S since 2006. I doubt I will sell it when I get the 4S though.
Do you happen to know the MSRP?
Should check out the KTM 390 Enduro that was just dropped . Definitely not a hardcore dual sport. But more of a duke setup as a dual sport but It might cost only 5500
@@barneyprince9257 yeah I saw it, looks amazing!!!
@@OgreMoto What do you think of that under carriage exhaust? Also looking at the SMR C version and I read it's heavier too. Maybe you are right in that the added weight may make these bikes feel more stable for some.
@@benadams1826 It doesn't bother me one bit. The only problem you'd have with that is if you get in water that's higher than the exhaust ports out the head and even then the engine would have to kill for it to flood. Honestly I think it's a good idea so there's no pipe to smash and wear through the swingarm like on the T7.
@@OgreMoto You're probably right, I just don't like the aesthetics of it for some reason. But maybe it would grow on me.
Extremely difficult riding!
Spring couldn’t come sooner. Even if it’s just gravel backroads in my area.
u ever been to dyracuse in Wi? Drz or wrr there?
@@nickbazan27 have not!! Really want to though!!!!
Thanks for the review. As a 6' 6" 280 lb. off-road rider, the T7 really interests me. I recently picked up a used one and am in the process of modifying it for off-road with stiffer springs, high fender kit, 50/50 tire, and some engine/clutch protection. Your comments about the bar risers and dropped foot peg are helpful. I am in Utah and RMATV charted some nice 4-5 day rides that I bought this bike for. th-cam.com/video/pV_MC1Qua2M/w-d-xo.html
GODAMM TREE CLIBINZ! GET THAT SHIT OFF THE TRAILL!!!!
Uh wow 🤩 do you fit ? I’m 6’4 1.93 cm
It’s comfortable for tall rider like me (6’4 ft) 1.93 cm ?
@@edoardomarinangeli689 yes!
@@edoardomarinangeli689 I’m 6’7”
@@OgreMoto uhhh you are extreme tall ! 6’7 is ? 200/201 cm ? 😱 congratulations 🍾 👍
Thank you. I am considering getting one of these for some light tire work (occasionally replacing riding mower tires and such), and I couldn't figure out how it worked until I saw your video. Very helpful!
How do you change transfluid
I had a '19 in the desert, it was great out there for higher speed offroad. Steahly flywheel weight, +1 to 14t sprocket, snorkel out, and Ultra HD rear tube soften'd the throttle for me, bumping the idle up a bit on single track took away the "crack" off low rpm decel in second gear. Cost about $130 before Bidenomic's on my '19 450L. Personally id never spend $1k on an ECU but thats just personal preference. Honda did what they had to, to meet the Nazi EPA BS. I loved mine in Western USA, but moving back home to upper Great Lakes woods it was too high strung for me including suspension. Showa makes great stuff though, my 15 year old CRF450X oem Showa was the best Iv ever been on. Right now Im on a new KLR {awesome bike, despite what trolls say} and been loving putting on 200 miles a day of logging roads/back roads. Its a nice break from single track.
I bought the Dsport rear tire for my KLR650 (i know it's a bigger bike), but was so slippery even on dry pavement that I removed the next day. For my new KLX300, i just got the typical MT21 / D606 combo.
That's crazy. Even when I had it on my T7 I could drag peg with it. Sure your roads aren't made of ice or something? lol
Look like you got great terrain to ride. Subscribed ✅
I have owned a WR250R and it’s one of the best dual sports / trail bikes out there…….i now own a 2020 CRF450L and can confirm that it is the new champion of Dual Sport / Trail / Enduro bikes. Incredible job well done by Honda!
Thanks for the info. I’m definitely considering this one first on my new T7!
Just did this on my 01. Worked 👌 Thanks for posting. You saved me some money
6’4 (193 cm )Ft !! I hope to buy it ❤️
Will spraying dry silicone into the keyhole keep it from binding like yours did?
How tall is the original US General 5 drawer cabinet with the lid open I'm just trying to plan thank you
61.5" or 156cm
Finally a review from a guy that doesn't have the bodymass of a sparrow with full blown aids! I'm a C hair over 6 feet, 270 lbs former strongnan competitor. I've been torturing myself watching reviews on the T7 and vstrom 800de cross comparing them. I rant want to live the t7, but i think the Strom makes more sense.... I live in Northern Alberta Canada and the roads are terrible, but we have endless atv trails and fire roads. I will spend most of my time on road, but want to take advantage of what NoeAlta has to offer offroad. The suspension seems to be the thing everyone rags on, and they're typically 170 lbs. I know you said you'd re-spring and valve immediately but you didn't hand out on the topic. Makes me think it'd be on for a season maybe. But I'm wondering how urgent the suspension on a Strom would need attention by comparison🤔
I’m currently building a T7 to race and I’m of the opinion that protection should first protect the things that will likely be damaged if you dump it and then how consequential damage would be to continuing on. I’m running some Acerbis engine covers, a beefy skid plate and a Radiator brace. Good enough protection without turning the bike to a heavy tank(more than it is). I went with R-Tech full body plastics same benefit as the Camel ones, but subtle different styling.
Exactly what I was lookin for dude. Thanks
How would you describe the leg room? I am 6'2 with a 34 inch inseam but I also have bad knees. Sitting on it, are you crunched up?
@@Romenet310 yeah I’m crunched up but I’m also 6’7” and crunched up on every bike in existence.