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Quake will never die. But if you want Quake Perfected? Try out QC:DE to answer your question. Today's players are whiners that want every shooter to hold their hand, Quake is everything opposite of that. A Multiplayer FPS of a thinking man.

sad, i'd like to hear your takes on concord

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23:30 lol

Quake III Arena was *the pinnacle* of online FPS gaming. Counter Strike was a close 2nd, but it was too static with tactics, weaponry, and roles. Q3A was organized mayhem, required pure skill, and remains more entertaining than CoD or any other modern online FPS today. Fight me on it (in Q3A, rail guns only).

I think it’s pretty good actually (I like being able to remotely slam and grab a ball and punch because it’s fun idk)

*Q U A D D A M A G E* *_phuoon_* *I N V I S I B I L I T Y*

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they were too difficult. just like RTS. People got busy and didnt want to get roflstomped all the time.

Titanfall 2 have a good movement system with high skill ceiling and it failed. The game is not popular. There is literally a game named Loadout, where you can play with 2 customized weapons of your choice. In Worms Armageddon, there is the homing missile weapon. You can charge to push it out of the launcher and after a delay, it turns on and homes in on the selected target. The Q4 grenade launcher is the best in the series so far. Period! The Q3A GL is so awful on assault. I only want loadout based modifyers on champion abilities. The type of customization that is in AirMech.

For your idea for “loadouts” is not great. You’d create a meta that can’t be beaten, or would make every weapon annoying to play against. I know you mentioned metas, but imagine a super annoying mod for each weapon launches, and one person uses all the most annoying mods for your loadout ideas. No matter what, you can’t kill them because everything pushes you away, or slows you down, or even sets you on fire for damage over time.

Brother nice video. I saw you mentioned some weird ded and obscure games well here is smth you missed: Come play Serious Sam HD: The Second Encounter Deathmatch mode. It is a secretly hidden actual quake-like mode in what is essentially a boomer horde shooter, featuring movement tech, real maps with proper spawn timings and map control. It is fun and more alive than Reflex Arena and you can noobstomp 50% of the playerbase because they are very bad and many of them are just farming achievements, but nobody except a few Italeans coming from a famous Italian youtuber and a few other people know of its existence. Also its movement is broken but in a consistent way allowing for a very high skill ceiling tech which makes everyone quit the game 👍 When it's on sale (and that's very often maybe because these games are ass idk) it's like -90% and to get all the DLCs and parts (First Encounter and Legend of The Beast to unlock all the maps) you need like 3-4 euros or something. You can gather your friends and enjoy but the default settings are very bad (f*ck around and find out) and don't complain when even mechanically inadequate people kill you cuz this game is not exactly like quake and even noobs can leverage their movement to win against skilled players in other games.. until the first 20-25 hours ofc Also don't actually grind that game. It is really dead, maybe if you came in 2019 or something you could XD

Quake died? I still have q3a installed and play from time to time. (with bots sadly - when I want some real multi then I play Wolfenstain: Enemy territory - yes this game is still alive after 23 years)

wait what was quake 5

One thing I hate about all the new hero shooters is the lack of gore where the fuck is the gore no flying limbs after getting hit with a rocket

im waiting for other bad genres to die, like battle royal, crafting building survivals, CoD and clones, 2d scrollers, third person shooters,

You got me convinced, got job. 🙏

Another important point that's more relevant about why the genre is also staying dead and not seeing a resurrection (like many other genres from back then) is the fact that the playerbase is extremely hardcore and downright toxic to newcomers. Trying to learn Quake Live by just ''playing'' is like trying to learn martial arts by throwing yourself at a MMA tournament or something. It ain't happening and you are going to get your soul kicked out of you. The accessibility bar in arena shooters is far, far higher than even that of RTS games, another genre that suffers from being both strategically and mechanically challenging, yet is more welcoming due to the options they offer to newbies, while most arena shooters are just: git gud.

accessible is the magic word , i played Unreal Tournament 2004 from 2005 to 2009 , that game was not accessible . people like to make kills , they like to get pats on the back these days like toddlers that want to burp , i was more a gamer that wanted to hunt you down in a CTF game , i loved ut2004 i miss the good old days of shooters .

Hey, idk when you are going to see this but Jesus loves you.

when you're talking about the optimal movement mechanics, do you mean like anarki in qc? that would be what I'd want

i know it's not related, but have you ever played Desync?

Mainly, it shouldn't have active/passive abilities like in QC, as those are real burden. And as for netcode - it should finally work, again not like in QC.

you're talking about a new fresh Quake game ? you mean Quake Champions? yeah! there ya go!

Bro forgot about centries instakill

I don't think your analysis of player choice is very accurate and I believe Catalyst is like the smallest map in Reflex Arena. So what if there is a theoretical best play for the first few seconds of the game, a few seconds later, the game changes completely every time depending on what your enemy is doing. Also sometimes you do one of the other options, because it will throw off your opponent, so it was the better play. Also also, theoretical optimums only matter in high level play, because lower level players either don't know the optimal play or are not good enough to execute them. How many choices do I have when playing CT in Counter-Strike? In most rounds most people go to their dedicated bombsite for 10 seconds, throw a nade or two and see what the enemy does before then choosing what to do next.

Why is a guide needed? Just shoot the enemies and don't die, it's really that simply how does anyone struggle with it?

Honestly? They just stopped making good ones. When was the last really great Quake, UT, Halo, etc;? When the games got mid people stopped playing and games like COD Battlefield which were amazing at the time took over. You can also guarantee if CSGO didnt turn around it'd be considered another dead genre

This all sounds good to me although I think it's worth mentioning that we did have an inventory system in Quake 2, I'm not sure how relevant that was to the multiplayer but it's pretty awesome in singleplayer maps and I'd love to see the system return. One thing for the loadouts they could implement the weapons from the expansion packs like the multi rocket launcher, the mine launcher, ion ripper, phalanx, tesla mine and etc.

Dont understand how the socalled "realistic" games (they are not realistic lol) won (so far)..you have a machine that can create any dream world you want, why would you want realistic?

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cuz of consoles.

The reason they died is because ppl want unlockables. Ppl won't settle for mindless death matches

Goddamn, nice informative video but I guess it's true that Arena FPS fans really are sweaty elitists. No wonder it's a very niche genre in 2024.

Please don't attribute these games to Bethesda, they are created by id software.

I love arena shooters. Like you mentioned. I think consoles had a lot to do with the death of these games. You just couldn't play them efficiently on console, so they started making games that you can. Those became really popular. Next thing you know all companies switch focus to making games geared towards console players. It seemed like Quake players didn't mind spamming the same game for years lol. They are also really hard. I am excited for Splitgate 2. Splitgate has been the most fun I've had since Quake 3/live on arena shooters.

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Nice video, appreciate the work that would've gone into this. No comments about matchmaking? If you mentioned matchmaking I didn't pick it up. that's core to my essay on how why quake died imho I've played quake just a little bit :) Games tackle "too hard, I'm out, with matchmaking systems. You seemed to comment a lot on how these are hard but at the top level, that's true for almost all games.

quake champions has NO santa and ZERO bbws this is a travesty

Better things replaced it.

video starts at 21:00

It’s really simple. These games were super niche because of their high skill cap. Modern warfare is a dumbed down experience for the masses.

The reasons why Quake Champions failed are actually quite plain and simple: 1) Not learning their lesson from pretty much every multiplayer shooter they made from Doom 3 onwards, and hiring Todd Hollenshead's studio (Sabre) to once again make a Quake game with a shitty game engine. On top of that, it's not even a game engine that's intended for multiplayer games. We basically played QC on the same game engine as The Witcher 3, a single-player title with no real netcode built in. QC was basically doomed from the beginning for this reason. 2) Terrible server support. The game is unplayable on some servers at this very moment. 3) Terrible FPS optimization. It's been seven years, and the game still runs like shit on the latest and greatest rigs. 4) Some of the worst and most underwhelming battle passes in the history of battle passes. It costs $10 to change your screenname. The item shop hasn't added anything new in at least 3 years. 5) id killed the last lifeline the game had with Quake Pro League. No one who wasn't at QuakeCon even cared much for QuakeCon at all since there was no major tournament or game announcements. 6) Doom is clearly more important to id and its publishers than Quake, which has clearly been demonstrated by the notion of reducing active staff for QC to literally just one person while Doom gets its third major release since Quake Champions came out.

you can instakill cerberus, sentries and virtues and its way easier to do if you whiplash to them then shoot the back and immediately parry it after instead of the whole shooting it super far at the enemy then whiplashing the ball towards you and then finally parrying the ball at the enemy

Time splitters mentioned, instant subscribe

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I can save everyone some time: trends change and arena shooters spent a long time on top. People eventually got bored.

Where would you say Hunt Showdown lies on this spectrum?

LMAO, imagine having 3K comments and 14K likes on such a retarded take. Quake, MFs, is hard and aim centric while CS is supposedly not -- the dumbest thing I've heard in a month roughly.

Auto-anything (except for auto-move in open world/mmo) is blasphemy. Learn or Die! Edit: Oh hey, I found this vid before and actually left a comment before! Also, "added Sex" - hahhhaha, nice.