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Very precise and accurate

Dr Storer. I'm a biblical scholar, your videos along with other instruments are bridging my need for THEOLOGY

Wild, you sect apostatized and even this heretic admitted this was an innovation coming until the times of The First Council of Constantinople! This is Pure HERESY 26. To this I may compare the case of theology, except that the procedure is reversed. For in the case that I just illustrated, the change is made by successive subtractions; here, perfection is reached by additions. For the matter stands thus: - The Old Testament proclaimed the Father openly, and the Son more obscurely. The New Testament manifested the Son, and suggested the divinity of the Spirit. Now the Spirit Himself dwells among us, and supplies us with a clearer demonstration of Himself. For it was not safe, when the divinity of the Father was not yet acknowledged, plainly to proclaim the Son; nor when the Son's divinity was not yet received was it safe to burden us further (if I may use so bold an expression) with the Holy Spirit - lest, like those loaded with food beyond their strength and looking directly at the light of the sun with eyes as yet too weak to bear it, people risk the loss even of what was within the reach of their powers. But by gradual additions and (as David says) ascents,' by advances and progress from glory to glory," the light of the Trinity comes to shine with the greater clarity. It was for this reason, I think, that the Spirit gradually came to dwell in the disciples [of Jesus], measuring Himself out to them according to their capacity to receive Him at the beginning of the Gospel, after the passion, after the ascension. He perfected their powers, He was breathed upon them, and He appeared in tongues of fire." And indeed little by little He was disclosed by Jesus, as you will learn for yourself if you read more carefully. I will ask the Father, He says, and he will give you another Advocate, the Spirit of truth.?? He said this so that He might not seem to be a rival God, or to be speaking to them by some other authority. Again: The Father will send him, but in my name.* He leaves out the / will ask, but He keeps the will send. And again: / will send [the Advocate to you] - there you have His own dignity. Then: He will come - there you have the authority of the Spirit. § 27. You see enlightenment breaking upon us gradually. You also see the order of theology," which it is better for us to abide by - neither proclaiming things too suddenly nor keeping them hidden to the very end. For the former course [of proclaiming things too suddenly] would be inept, the latter course [of keeping them hidden to the end] would be impious; the former would be calculated to startle outsiders, the latter to alienate our own people. I will add another point to what I have said, one which may already have occurred to some others, but which I think a fruit of my own thought. Our Saviour filled his disciples with many teachings but He had certain things which, He said, could not be borne by them at that time,? perhaps for the reasons I have mentioned; therefore He kept them hidden. And again He said that all things would be taught us by the Spirit at the time of His coming to dwell among us." One of these things, I take it, was the Spirit's own divinity*

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Wonderful, informative and lucid, many thanks.

excellent, many thanks for your hard work, much appreciated.

Good stuff, Kevin. Thanks! The Icon on the left is one of my favorites.Of course, it finds its source in the Abraham story of the OT. I do find that your insistence on a literal reading of the OT (or the NT for that matter) is counter productive. Wisdom literature isn't literal, for example--as 'literalism' has come to be understood in some Christian sects today.

i agree with Aquinas and Rahner that the second person of the Trinity--the Logos--was solely suited to become incarnate. and so, the same holds with the Holy Spirit. However, I think that we in the West tend to prioritize intellectual processes (logos) over mere 'feeling"--love. and so the Holy Spirit tends to be devalued. But, God IS love. It might be argued that the Spirit is the agent of our divinization, that is a process, and that works on an ontological level--not a rational, reasonable one. the work of our sharing with the divinity of God is at least in part completed in mystery--not always in a clear and rational way. we need. more theological investigations into the Holy Spirit. Recall that the Spirit was poured out AFTER the Resurrection--it IS life shared with us.

I'm a huge Rahner fan. Thanks for this very good synopsis of Rahner's position on the Trinity. I'd like to add another wrinkle. Rahner emphasizes the Logos and God the Father. For me, in this analysis, the Spirit remains somewhat taken for granted. And this has gone on for centuries. In other essays, Rahner emphasizes the notions of "created grace" as distinct from (by no means 'opposed to!") 'uncreated Grace". To my understanding, it's precisely the third person, the Holy Spirit, that communicates Godself to us in this life. In other words, the Holy Spirit is the 'person' in the Trinity by which Godself is shared with us, after humans accept the offer that's ever available to us in our very selves by means of 'created grace'. In other words, the Spirit communicates Godself to humans, not as an idea or concept, or even by Biblical revelation, but Godself--itself. Ha! Language fails here! EDIT; well, smack me on the head! at 16 minutes or so, the Spirit is given it's place.

Incredible content. Thank you for putting so much work into this.

no idea why so little likes, helpful in so many ways

The two views on sin reconcile because mortal sin is "making a shipwreck" of your faith. You can't have faith and mortally sin.

How about Jesus on the trinity? Did Jesus teach that God is "a unity of three [persons]," which is what the word "trinity" means? Uh, NO! At John 17:3, Jesus addressed his Father as "the ONLY true God." The word "only" means, "to the exclusion of others." So, if Jesus' Father is the true God to the exclusion of others, how many other true Gods can there be? Uh, NONE!! So, did Jesus teach that God is a trinity? NO!!

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Thanks for this, Kevin, I currently am working on an essay that discusses how Calvin's view of grace differed to that of the Papacy. This video was very helpful in visualising what I'm reading in the Institutes. 😇

Loved your video, man! Thank you so much.

I agree with bart On his version of the trinity Because I swear other people's interpretation of the trinity Leaves out revelation and just leaves it External

The step about perfect love can’t be contained between two but need at least one more to be complete is very interesting but hard to conceive. I have to think hard about that one.

You sat here just to describe the Logos as the Fathers Self. Not another Person….

Very interesting & helpful. I wonder if reading Rahner might be helpful to me spiritually.

I respect your videos, which I’ve begun watching. I also enjoy your approach. I’m familiar with the material being a convert of 25+ years to Orthodoxy. The conclusions reached here - that scripture cannot resolve the issue and that both are valid - strike me as glib, which took me by surprise. I didn’t expect a conclusion, but it strikes me that one oughtn’t judge such great luminaries as St Mark of Ephesus or St Thomas Aquinas or St Gregory Palamas or St Anselm and many others as being incorrect, since they all seemed to think otherwise, albeit on different sides. In our day, the debate continues amongst great saints & theologians, and quite apart from “politics,” which can’t judge an issue. Considering the eternity of God, we’re just getting started at these wondrous mysteries of life & grace. It’s way too soon to reach either conclusion (lack of scriptural authority & validity of each belief), isn’t it?

I assume readers can immediately refer to biblical answers for the final questions posed to Zizoulas. How the Incarnate Word speaks of His Father clearly indicates a “priority” of the Father with the Divine Unity. And the promises of the Gospel are also clear: “The Father shares all things with the Son,” says the Word Incarnate. “Christ has given us all things,” teaches Paul. Other than the being the Father, what has the Father withheld from the Son? And, inheriting everything as the Son, what, other than being by nature God, what has the Son not shared with those “in Him”?

Great teaching sir,i am writing thesis on Moltmann's Trinity

Good video

Social trinitarian cry at the end

I have had a cross over my bed for many years, and I have never once thought of the Trinity or even God the Father when I looked at it. The cross is about Jesus. Everything you say that Moltmann says sounds like nonsense, to me.

I just ordered Richard of St. Victor's book (in English translation, of course) on the Trinity, having come across him during the course of my studies with the Cambridge Institute of Orthodox Christian Studies. I can't believe I've never heard of him before.

Beautifully articulated. Thank you for the wisdom.

But then, this position excludes the simultaneous omnipotence and omniscience nature of God. In that, in this position, the two thoughts proceeding from God only refers to just a particlar subject at a time! For example "Chocolate". But God focuses ALL subjects with an equal intensity at ALL times forever!! It would be reasonable to argue that both the son and the spirit are equally omnipotent and omniscient therefore equally perform eternally in the same manner on an overall scale. In that case, the salvation of makind from sin would just be one of the countless events merely caught up in the operative nature of the divine qualities of God, not as the demonstration of the love of specifically aimed at saving mankind from sin. It would just be a casual occurence in the mysterious event of God simply doing God! The delibrate element of God stepping out with grace towards man will become irrelevant! I would not agree with Thomas Quinas!

Please keep going. God bless you.

Why do we need this word “person”? What does it explain that other words like “human being” doesn’t already convey?

Thank you for this video. Much appreciated.

I cannot believe that this presentation has only 36 likes (one of which is mine). I think that this is a fantastic presentation of Augustine's analysis of the Trinity, which I have always found very beguiling and compelling (and it is an analysis one finds repeated in Thomas Aquinas). I have always found this take on the Trinity quite intoxicating, especially when I have been drinking. Thank you! I think you are a great presenter of complex theological issues. Thank you for this wonderful presentation!

how would rhaner see the church today? would he be pleased his views have taken us here? was he really a mediator?

Helpful and to the point. Thank you!

Modern Theology Class X: The Influence of Zizek!

Crystal clarity... wow! Inspiring. Thank you!

I can't tell you how helpful this video was. Very thorough. I had to watch it a few times to soak in every aspect.

I have watched some of your videos and really enjoy them. Could you kindly do a video on Paul Tillich?

For the individual looking at the chocolate, he has a real, physical image of the chocolate to give him an image in his mind. In other words, he doesn't have to make up an image of the chocolate because he can see it physically. How is this the case with the trinity? "No man has seen God at any time." So how can we have a proper picture of something we've never seen? The answer is, you cannot. You can't even perceive it to begin with, much less formulate a mental image of it. God, who is invisible, made himself visible through the Word. The Word was God's sole image. The Word became flesh, therefore Jesus Christ is now, and forever will be, the sole image of God. God also made himself known through the activity of His Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not seen, but like Jesus told Nicodemus in John 3, it is felt. So, it is ONE God with ONE image and ONE Spirit and ONE name - Jesus. Case closed.

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I have watched so many videos on this topic, and yours is my favorite. God bless!

You explained it very well. Thanks!

I've always found Moltmann stimulating and look forward to this book one day (so many books, so few years). I'm also pleased that he was born the same year as my dear late parents! FWIW.

Now I understand the filioque ! Finally

Patriarchy is filled with gold coins and propaganda. I personally believe we came from chaos to order. the female stretches into male and back and forth.

Great job.

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Of course lumen gentium qualifies that inclusivism by saying, "But often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator.(129) Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. Wherefore to promote the glory of God and procure the salvation of all of these, and mindful of the command of the Lord, "Preach the Gospel to every creature",(130) the Church fosters the missions with care and attention.".

I can't understand why so many commentators see universalism as a problem. Quite a few early church Fathers were clear universalists. Universalism has held a place in Christian teaching in certain quarters for 2000 years. It is not a matter of God "forcing" people into heaven but winning them over by the power of his great love. Jesus said in John's gospel that when he is lifted up ( crucifixion) he would draw ( with strength or drag) all people to himself. Barth actually believed it would be most likely all would be saved but didn't want to second guess God on this. Paul himself certainly seemed to promote universalism in Romans, 1 Corinthians 15. I can't see a problem with it. It would seem to me pretty darn good news that God's love eventually wins the day. How say you?