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EagleMike Eaglemike
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Dedicated to sharing KLR650 info
2022 torsion spring install, same as all KLR650 since 2010 model
This is a pretty good clip of the later second generation case. Some people have had a little trouble seeing how it goes in the slot. I'm hoping this helps. The technique is the same for all years, no matter which inner case is on the engine.
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doohickey install, part 2. Starts with assembly - going back together
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The engine is already apart. Take a look at part 1 if you need to take apart. In this one I demonstrate and explain how to put it back together.
Klx kit basic install
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Basic how-to installing klx needle and jets in klr650 carb (cvk40)
Doo disassembly part 2
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Doo disassembly using the special tools after all the basic stuff is done. Removing skid plate, countershaft cover, and oil is already drained.
Hi Mike i have trouble with my klr 650 A 1996. doohickey broke. chain get scratch crankcase in this place 16:41 ( top left corner) in your video and chain work there hole . motor work on low rotation but dont get in hight RPM sory for my english im from poland pls Help can i repair this hole or need new crankcase,all motor?
Such a thorough explanation and demo. Thanks so much!
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Mike, I'm curious as to which components wear in which order. This is apart from the doohickey tensioner system fails. I just did the doohickey upgrade, and what I had was that everything original was in "good" condition, but the eccentric was running the chain very close to the case, the actual clearance measured with a feeler gauge was 0.017". This was with the doohickey bolt loose and the stock linear spring pulling on the doohickey. The front counterbalancer was solid with no wobble, just like the one you show in this video. However, the front sprocket rubber looked just a tad thinner than the rear and eccentric ones. So the ultimate question would be: which components would need to be replaced to prevent the chain from running into the case? The front counterbalancer sprocket? The chain? Both? Something else? Thanks. Btw bike is a 1999 with 13,500 miles.
I'm going to do another video on the wear points. I'll show some worn parts, and some severe failures. Also explain in detail why there is enough stress to cause wear. When I first started working on this system I didn't see why things would be breaking or wearing.
@@eaglemikeeaglemike6774 Thanks!
Hi. That's the one upgrade I need. I'm running a Big Gun slip-on and k&n filter. My setup will fall in 145 ? I'm at sea level in Puerto Rico's south coast .
Several things I don't understand. First, the doohickey is secured to the case with its bolt. So is this a routine maintenance item, where at whatever interval that bolt is loosened so that the doohickey can then rotate and take out the chain slack? Then the bolt is retightened? If yes, what is the adjustment interval for this? Secondly, with the doohickey bolt loose, do you not want to rotate the engine a couple times so that all the slack in the balancer chain is taken out by the torsion spring? Or does simply loosening the bolt suffice?
There is some info about this on the paper in the package with the parts. The adjustment interval is about every 7500 miles, or every 3rd oil change. The torsion spring will remove the slack. If you want to do it in the optimum condition do it with the engine at TDC. You don't need to rotate the engine. The adjustment bolt MUST always be properly tightened while the engine is running. I'll be doing another video soon that explains some of the conditions that affect the system, and why the factory parts don't work as well as they should.
@@eaglemikeeaglemike6774 Thanks for the info Mike!
Hi mike, really nice material i wtite from chile and i would really like to buy a dooheckey, how would you recomend to do this?
My 2023 klr650s has 3k miles on it. It jerks in first gear sometimes, and I can hear a clanking noise coming from the left side of the engine if I engine brake. I just missed my warranty by 3 days. Any ideas what it could be?
ok verry good, but kawasaki now that problem for manny years ,en the does notting to improeve it schaime on you kawasaki
What about drilling the slide hole to 7/64 for the quicker throttle response? Is this advisable with your kit?
2012 with 8900 miles of easy road riding. Just did it, stock one was not broke. Went smooth and I have no questions on anything I did during the install. The original one was a little loose, I didnt know you could adjust the tension so easy or I would have done it before, there was plenty of travel left on the original doohicky. Anyway went smooth and bike sounded really quiet after, then took it for a rid and it sounds weird. Maybe just listening closer, but sounds almost like a fan running on high. The fan is not running. do you think it could be the chain being adjusted properly it would make it sound different?
It's going to sound a little different. It's not all about whether the parts are broken, it's also about whether the parts are working correctly. Since it wasn't adjusted before, there will be wear on the front sprocket (worse place) and other areas. You are likely hearing the chain on the guides. Nothing to worry about. You might try (with the engine off) loosening the adjustment bolt 1/2 turn, tap the side of the case with a piece of 2X4 wood, then tighten the adjustment bolt to 72 inch-lbs, emphasis on inch for those reading along that don't wrench much. Also sometimes people preload the lever by pushing on it, then tightening the bolt. You don't need to do that. Some of this info isn't just for you - others will read this too. I just did a 2022 with 14.5K miles. The adjustment spring was completely out of tension and the front sprocket was badly worn. I put a new sprocket in place, the factory spring would have had proper tension. The torsion spring takes the slack out much better, limiting wear on the other parts like the sprocket and chain.
Hey thanks for a quick reply. I kind of thought it might be the chain on the guides. It was definitely loose before. Not bad, but the original doohicky did move forward about 3/16 of a inch on the slot. I did not inspect the gears, but wish I had. I did notice its only after it gets warmed up pretty good. The next day I started it and 100% could not hear the noise I was talking about. It is suppose to be really warm this weekend so I plan on riding a little. I will see then if anything seems bad. Also, I didnt realize I only had some Penzoil 10w -30 full synthetic oil in the garage when I put it back together and I put that in just to run it a little and plan on changing to 10W 40 soon. I dont know what was in it before, I bought the bike last year from a dealer I trust, and they did a oil change but didnt tell me what they put in it. Dont think it would make a difference on sound. @@eaglemikeeaglemike6774
In the process right now. Bought an 08 and runs rough at slow speeds but does fine on the highway. Hope this helps! I’ll post a follow up
@@alexp.6406 bad chain and sprocket, replaced them and the bike is like a brand new bike!
There are 3 other KLR owners who frequent my local dealership. They all have more than 90,000 miles on bone stock engine Gen 1 KLRs. Mine currently has 30,000 on it. I may replace my doo hickey or may not. I cannot find any real documentation on stock doo failures. Hmmm What to do
I'll be doing a video on the history of the parts soon, and will show you a number of gen 1 parts. Make up your mind after that. An engine can run ok, even with broken parts. Some dealers have also been telling owners "they all vibrate and make nose, it's the nature of the engine." You might not agree after my video. I'll show you parts, and explain how everything works. Then you can decide the correct path forward.
@eaglemikeeaglemike6774 thank you Mike . I will be watching
I agree with MrThermoBob’s comment below. Mike does a great job of including the necessary details that many how-to videos leave out. As a teacher, I have learned over the years, just how much the details matter when explaining complex subject matter. For the layperson, the details are many times the difference between doing the job right the first time and having to do it over again. Thank you, Mike! Appreciate you taking the time and putting extra care and consideration into your work.
Very thorough! Mike is a great guy who takes the time to explain in detail how this fix works. Makes all the difference when doing a repair. Nice guy to talk with on the phone wealth of knowledge.
Hi Mike, all I can say is, Thank you for everything! Greetings from Chile
Hi Mike. I have seen another school of thought regarding the doohickey - that excessive looseness in the spring is also evidence of a stretched camchain. Therefore installing the doohickey replacement is likely to conceal that problem - ie its papering over a more serious issue. I remember when my GPz900R tensioner lost tension the correct fix was camchain replacement, a relatively trivial job I did in an afternoon because of the side mounted camchain on that bike.
You are mistaken. There's a spec for the chain in the service for the gen1. The wear is primarily on the left front weight. I've seen chains rubbing on the case, with the chain measuring within specification for a new chain. I replaced the weight and the other sprockets, and the rotation angle of the doo was back as new, with the chain no longer rubbing on the case. . BTW - it's not the cam chain, it's the balancer chain. I'll be doing a new video soon showing a lot of detail and history of the parts in the balancer system for this engine.
That theory isn't correct. First of all, it's a balancer chain. Second, I've measured chains (there is a specification), so I know when they are stretched or worn, and when they are not. The primary wear points are the rubber/plastic coatings on the sprockets where the chain side plates ride. I also know that the wear points actually wear less when the system is properly tensioned. I'll be doing a video about the balancer system, it's parts and design in the near future. Lastly, there is no need to post this more than once. This is my second reply to your theory. I hear of a new theory every so often, but it's always someone that hasn't been into a significant number of engines and actually measured the parts.
Just ordered the kit. Thank you for your resource! Any other tool wok to hold the pulley?
Hello. What years does this video cover? Thank you
All years are pretty much the same. I made a full video on a 2022 that is listed on another site. If you order parts directly from me I will email you a pdf and links to videos.
@@eaglemikeeaglemike6774 thank you. I got the email but didn’t see years listed. I will use the non 2022 and up. Thank you
@@kevinon4wheels You can use the 2022 video for reference. There's a couple of things that don't pertain to earlier years, but easy to figure out. The overall process is the same.
Good information
Thank you! I just picked up a 2013 with 90,000 miles (all OE, other than routine maintenance). Runs but burns oil so I just started my tear down. Looking forward to surfing your website for parts. Cheers
Wow!! 135 ft lbs is insane. Happy I borrowed a torque wrench because there's absolutely no way I would've tightened it that much otherwise.
Thanks Eagle Mike I just finished my install. My doohickey was split in half on the top. I purchased your kit and watched Rocky Mountain ATV install it piece of cake. I ended up finding a lot of items on your website that I wish I would have found before I purchased the OEM. Like the brake pedal stays that you have. I ended up getting the fork seals from you as well.
Can’t get my rubber plug to go in the hole……any advice please?
Hi! You caught my full attention when you mentioned the McMaster Carr or CDI torque wrenches, as economical generic versions for Snap On tools. I visited the McMaster site and I am confused by so many offerings. What model do you recommend? What range of values? I'd like to use one of these for my KTM Duke and my mountain bicycle. Help.
Not sure who needs to hear this, but for the rotor bolt on a 1984-1986 kl600, the manuals appear to call for 87 ft lbs of torque. Does anyone have any idea why they changed it despite no obvious change to the bolt? Edit: It seems that the 70 inch pounds on the case bolts holds up nicely for the 600, in case this sparked that question for any KL600 owners out there. Also, can vouch for Mike's KL-600 specific kit for my 1986 variant! My original doo/spring were intact and functional but I appreciate the peace of mind that his kits offer.
My memory is the taper on the early 600 crankshaft is different. Referring to the 1984 model. I'll have to spend more time on the parts fiche, as I haven't looked at all the affected parts for a while. I actually havthe left side outer gasket available for the 1984 600 now. They were not available for a long time, but I had a batch made.
I appreciate this very much and hope to fix my old KL600 that just hit 10k miles. The fact that Mike even has a specific kit for such an old model makes me a little more confident in doing this for the first time. I'll be sure to take this two-part series as a holistic lesson in proper tools for the job and not just a set of instructions, as it seems that he's included plenty of good information in between steps.
Hello, where can i buy the Kit in germany?
Thanks Eagle Mike for the video and doohickey kit. I was able to do my new to me 2012 with 8800 miles. It had a strange surge to it when easing around at low speeds and you could also feel it in higher gears and higher speeds. Sure enough my stock doohickey spring was loose and not tensioning anything. Nothing broke yet. She is nice and smooth now with the new doohickey and spring.
Hello Mike can I pls confirm the ratchet Reversable handle you use in this video is it an AB-Nielsen tool? This is a great tool. Having trouble finding it seems it is only sold online?
I wish you were my neighbor Mike I hope we can meet up and ride out one day
OK - I watched both and at the end you loosened up the Doohickey Bolt so that it "rattles", but you never tightened it back up. That means that you want it loose? Won't it rattle it's way out till it hits the case? Should it not be tight - and if yes - what torque?
I tightened it up when I tightened the outer case bolts. It must be tight while engine is running.
@@eaglemikeeaglemike6774 Thanks - I really missed that part
Hope all is well with your fiancée and her recovery, going under the knife is never fun and the healing from it is the real challenge.
Thanks for taking the time to make this great video! The way you took time to explain everything. Just great!!! Obviously you are a great expert on the subject. Your parts went on just like in the video, piece of cake!!! All your parts are superbly made, also have your fork brace.! Also you mentioned your phone number is in the instructions, and I can testify that yes you do answer the phone!
Thank you for taking the time to make these awesome videos
So this thing goes on my motorcycle , right🙄????🙄. Thank You for the too the point video. I plan on opening up the restictive exhaust , but was concerned about it running too lean.
I'm sure someone asked this and I'm sorry if I didn't go through all the comments but, isnt it the same if you just hand tighten the doohickey making sure the chain is tight enough and just torque the nut on the doohickey rather than just using a spring. It seems that the spring is just there as a afterthought it does't tighten anything once you torque the doohickey bolt..? Am I wrong on this?
Spring isn't an after thought. If you want to leave the spring out, you can remove the left side case and the other parts, then manually adjust the system after wear occurs. Normal way is adjust the system every 7500 miles or so.
That is a great walk thru. Thank you! Do you see any issues doing this to a 2005 KLR 250? they seem pretty close. :)
This carb kit doesn't work for the 250 engine. The carb construction is the same though.
Noticed the bolts on the covers have white residue on them. Corrosion or salt? I see the same on mine. Is that something to worry about? Or can I just clean them and reassemble? Thanks for the video :)
Corrosion. No big deal. Clean up and put it together 🤠
Has anyone else had an issue with the o-ring on the adjuster bolt not sealing the outer case when it's tightened down , with latest version doohickey? Mine is a 2006
Has anyone else had an issue with the o-ring on the adjuster bolt not sealing the outer case when it's tightened down , with latest version doohickey? Mine is a 2006
Not in my experience
@@eaglemikeeaglemike6774 ok thank you
Hello Mike. I have an 2018 on way .where u located?
San Diego area
Well, I just so happened to find a really good deal on 2017 KLR with only 1k miles. Should I just go ahead and replace these parts Eagle Mike or should I just ride out for a bit? I am wrench turner and things like this always prevent me from just enjoying the ride. Always feel like I have to work on something. Damn Anxiety gets the best of me at times. Thanks brother for the great video and straightforward approach.
Thanks for this great video, you saved me time and money. The piece of mind knowing the job is done correctly is amazing.
Great Video like usual Mike! Question...if you take this apart, your spring is broken but you can't find the small broken piece of the spring? What does one do?
There's a window behind the idler sprocket (the sprocket behind the doo). Get a magnetic fishing tool. They are usually a piece of bendable aluminum wire with a magnet on one end and a handle on the other. I usually find the pieces all the way back on the left side, back by the drain plug. Sometimes if the pieces are small, they end up on the screen under the clutch cover on the right side of the engine. Good luck!
@@eaglemikeeaglemike6774 Thank you Sir! I have never heard of the bendable aluminum magnet until you mentioned it and I looked it up! Going to add another tool to my collection...
I completed mine. The spring was broke. Any idea Wby my bike isn't starting and is now backfiring
Remove the left side outer cover and see if the key is in the slot. We're you able to turn the starter gear with 1finger, with the small cluster gears out?
@@eaglemikeeaglemike6774 i was able to turn it with one finger before putting the rotor bolt. After i had to use my whole hand
I'd suggest pulling the rotor. Make sure the key is in the slot.
@@eaglemikeeaglemike6774 i will give it a shot later in the week. Is it possible to foul a spark spark plug by spinning the rotor?
No, not possible
I have worked on engines for over 50 years. Mike has even more wrench time than I have especially with the thousand KLRs he has worked on.. He clearly knows all there is to know about these engines. So here is my only problem with this video. NO IMPACT DRIVERS at assembly time. DON"T DO IT! DON"T DO IT! DON"T DO IT! DON"T DO IT! Yes I know he showed that he turned down the torque selection to the lowest setting. If you are a PRO like he is fine but if you are not JUST DON"T DO IT. I can't count the times I have had to repair threads because people with little experience on aluminum cases wrecked things. Start bolts by hand only, Use a 1/4 inch drive ratchet (not a 3/8 1/2 or 1 inch), or a T handle to spin them down then USE A TORQUE WRENCH. They are not lug nuts on a dump truck. If you ignore this issue and destroy threads in a case, do the world a favor and fix them or have someone else fix them.. Don't sell a bike with thread damage to someone else without being honest about damage. Eagle Mike after thousands of hours of working on KLRs has developed a delicate feel for bolts going into soft aluminum cases. He is a PRO, 90 percent of those who will do this are not. So please follow this simple rules on assembly, NO IMPACT WRENCHES, air or electric. Do not cross thread bolts. Do not drive in a bolt until it starts to thread in place just with your fingers. If you damage threads REPAIR THEM! Mike clearly skipped over this because of his experience and was also concentrating just on the content of the mechanics of the gears, chain and doohickey.. The content is outstanding. Just remember he is PRO most are not. To Mike directly, thank you for designing this new part and keeping our bikes on the road for years and years.
No freaking way!!!!
Wait what, did you say 178,000 miles!!!???
Excellent video.