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So glad you enjoyed the episode, John, and that Michael's love and enthusiasm came through to you as it did to me. As you can probably imagine, it took only a few moments on the phone with him for me to think, "Wow! I've GOT to see if I can get this guy on the channel!" So happy that he was up for it! Thanks, John!

Glad you enjoyed the episode, Robert! Michael is, obviously, a pretty "hip" attorney. If you get a chance to see his "Got Trouble" video on his website, it's even more hilarious to me knowing the guy in the video is actually a lawyer. Have a great week, Robert!

@@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444 Don't know how much you follow Giggens, and all the videos he posts. For maybe the last month or so, he started a series, which he calls "What if Wednesdays" (Which, of course, he posts on Wednesdays). In his most recent one, he talks about a story in Rolling Stone magazine, where Al Jardine is talking about bringing back Brian's backing band, to once again perform/give concerts. According to Al in the story, he talked it over with Brian, and he said Brian gave Al his blessing in using the name "The Brian Wilson Band", featuring Al as the singer. Wondering if you've heard anything about this?

@@robertzastrow4648 I try to catch Giggens as often as possible. I seem to have missed that bit of information! I hope it works out. On Brian's last tour in 2022, Brian was "present" but it was pretty much Al leading the band and fronting the show. (Blondie was there too, which was a highlight.) It's a great band, of course, and I'd definitely get a ticket to see them with Alan! Thanks for letting me know about it, Robert!

Best day job I could find!!!

Yes! I'd love to know how much was finished. Of course, whether it's five pages or five hundred, I know Beach Boys fans would love to see it! Thanks, Shellee!

Thanks for the feedback, Shellee! I agree with your take on Michael; nice, interesting, talented and, certainly, a rocker and surfer to the core!

Thanks, Lamont! Even as a non-musician myself, I can appreciate what a fantastic experience it must have been to play with Billy and have Carl sing your songs. It was great speaking with Michael and I'm so glad to know the episode was enjoyed!

Thanks, Raymond!

Thanks, Michael! When I first spoke with Michael Angeloff, I was so delighted with his enthusiasm and his stories that I couldn't wait to have him on the channel. I figured there were a lot of Beach Boys fans who would enjoy it as much as I did. Happy to know that seem to be the case and I'm pleased and honored to have helped pass it along! Good question on bathroom singers! I know I have heard other stories of people recording in a bathroom over the years. (Brian Wilson MUST have done it at some point!) I can't remember exactly who I've heard about but it would be an interesting bit of trivia to research and compile! Have a great week, Michael!

Thanks for the great feedback and good words, Don! It's cool to know that a Dino, Desi and Billy hat even exists and extremely cool to know that you won one! (I'd love to know more about that story some time! Do you still have it?) Thanks again for the kind comments, Don, and have a great week!

@@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444 Yes I still have the hat. Also in recent days I got in touch with some "lost friends", and told them I was on your show. Thanks to them, we got Episode 175 to go over 1,000 views.

@@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444 Yes I still have the hat. Also recently I got in touch with some additional friends and mentioned your show. I told them I was on your show and Episode 175 is now over 1,000 views.

It definitely bears repeating! Carl's vocal on "God Only Knows" is one of life's pleasures! Thanks for the reminder, and for the feedback, Dennis!

You have no idea how delighted I was to read your comment just now and see that you identified the bassist Michael referred to! When a bass question came up, I KNEW you'd have it! I'm often reluctant to reach out to people; feeling like I might be bothering them or something. Michael was so great and so delightful, I'm trying to make it a "life lesson" about being a little more willing to put myself out there. I'm definitely looking forward to finally having "Beach Boys In Concert" up next week...and hoping I said enough about Ed Carter! (On the other hand, I guess you can never really say enough about Ed Carter!) Have a great week, Chris!

@@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444 I'm glad the results were so positive in this case, Steve. The worst case scenario is someone will decline or just not reply, but a lot of the times people are all too happy to reply and assist. Thanks, and have a great week as well, Steve!

Thanks for the reminder 99.9%sure it was Edd Carter

@@michaelangeloff7903 Hi Michael - Glad I could help! I enjoyed your episode and the songs. I'm really looking forward to Steve's show next week on the "In Concert" album.

Thanks, George! Very nice to know!

Having spoken with him, I can confirm that Michael is definitely cool! Thanks for the comments, Mark!

I do know that now that you told me....Thanks so much!!!

So glad to know you enjoyed it, Kev! I'm really intrigued with the information that Billy was working on a book. I wonder how much he had completed? I agree that it would be great if, whatever's there, saw the light of day some time! Thanks, Kev, and great to hear from you!

Thanks for the feedback, Paul! As you can probably tell, it was a blast to speak with Michael. Good to know the results were enjoyed!

I agree with that! There's a great group here. Every week, to me, feels like getting together to "talk records" with friends. Thanks for being an important part of it, Beanie!

Thanks for the feedback, Joel! Even as a non-musician, I could well understand Michael's amazement and elation at being told "Carl wants to sing on your song." Even with all the guest appearances we went over in the "Featuring Carl Wilson" series, there's really only a small group out there that have ever had that experience! I'm so glad he was willing to share it!

It really surprises me that anybody gets Carl Wilson to sing on their record and then puts him in some nondescript chorus of "oohs and aahs" or mixes him so low that you can't hear him. It definitely seems to defeat the point of having one of the all-time great voices on your record. That Sailor booklet seems like it was written with a good deal of "snark" and underlying axes to grid (like the unexplained part about "carrying on unhappily.") I'm sure there's a story behind it all but, to tell the truth, I'm not sure I find Sailor compelling enough research it. Glad you noticed the t-shirt! My childhood dog was part Beagle. The real reason I got it, though, was that I happened to be looking at the back cover of Barry Manilow's "Trying To Get The Feeling" album recently, where he's posed with a dog and wearing a t-shirt like that. I found one on-line and thought it was a funny and highly-obscure reference. (Who knew somebody would be making those!?) Coincidentally, my good friend, Frank, adopted a beagle puppy right after I taped the episode. Spooky! (Makes me glad I didn't wear a "vicious attack dog" t-shirt!) I haven't been called the jacket before! Thanks and right back at 'cha! (Thanks for the laugh too!) Have a great week, rangergrrrl!

Thanks for the feedback, Alex! Another collaboration sometime would be great! Hope we can work out getting together in Cleveland too! I'll keep you posted.

Thanks, Gary, and great to hear from you! Seems like it's been a while! Hope you're doing well!

So great that you've got the Michael Angeloff CD ...and that its autographed! It was one of the Carl guest appearances I didn't know about before I started researching this series, so I was happy to find a copy and felt especially lucky to have come across a sealed copy with the sticker promoting Carl's appearance. Cool, too, that you contacted Michael! I won't say more right now, but I hope you'll tune in next week! (There's a little "foreshadowing" for you that no one else has gotten!) Thanks for the great feedback, as always, Robert!

@@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444 Steve, now you've got me wondering what you'll be talking about next week! Looking forward to it!

When I started this series, I thought it was a good idea because I happened to already have so many records Carl contributed to. As it went, I kept finding more and more that I wasn't aware of. I found all of them interesting to research. It also reminded me of how much I still want to get to here. (Like, "Postcard from California" for example!) Thanks, John!

Yes! "Dinner With Drac" isn't heard very often these days! I only learned about it from perusing Top 40 books. Apparently, it went to #6 in the spring of 1958 (not even at Halloween time!) Being curious about it, I downloaded a copy (and it's a lot of fun.) I don't think I've ever heard it on the radio! I'm surprised it doesn't end up getting played more around Halloween especially, as you point out, there aren't a lot of Halloween-themed hits outside of "Monster Mash." Great to hear from you, Beanie!

Thanks Michael! They were fun to do and it's great to know they were enjoyed! The feedback is much appreciated!

Well said. Like you, I never met him. Between the times I saw him in concert, the interviews I've seen and read, what others have said about him, and, of course, his music, I, too, really have the sense of "knowing" Carl on some level. We lost a warm and singular personality, plus many more years of great music that we should have had, when Carl passed. I agree; he was a treasure. Thanks, as always, for the great feedback, Lamont, and enjoy your Amtrak ride! The scenery must be phenomenal! I envy you!

Steve.... I've had lots of time today to listen to previous podcasts.... Specifically Shut Down Vol 2 and All Summer Long. Gosh....they are really done well! You do such a thorough job on all of these. I have another day to kill tomorrow(back to Utah). I can't find the Today and Summer Days programs. Can you give me the episode numbers for 1965? Thanks so much. Lamont

@@lamontsouth5301 Hey, Lamont! Glad you asked..."Today!" and "Summer Days" are still to come. I'm hoping to kick off 2025 with early 1965 and "Today!" with late 1965 and "Summer Days" to follow later in the year. (With careers as long as the Beach Boys, there's SO much to get to here!) Hope you enjoy your trip!

Thanks for the feedback and info, Mike! As I mentioned to Chris Maury here, I actually, coincidentally, realized Jason Scheff had been in Chicago earlier this week when I was researching the band for some upcoming "1974" episodes. (So often, once I become aware of a name and it means something to me, I start noticing it in all the credits I had overlooked before.) Thanks, too, for the information on Jerry Scheff (whose name I will now, undoubtedly, run across all over the place!) Always great to hear from you, Mike! Much appreciated!

Thanks, Scott!

Excellent question about the effect Carl's passing had on Brian's career trajectory. Along with Melinda coming in (and Landy going out), I'm sure it was a huge influence. I've got to imagine by the mid-90s, Carl was the only real link between Brian and Mike & company. I'm sure it made it easier for Brian to really sever ties. On the other hand, likely we'd have gotten more "Beach Boys" involvement from Brian if Carl had still been there. Very interesting to ponder! Thanks for the follow-up on "Sting of Death!" Great to know the DVD came with a commentary track. (I love commentary tracks and think I'll go ahead and order it, knowing that it has one.) In any case, thanks for the info on Neil Sedaka's involvement! Great to know and I'm looking forward to a full review of "Sting of Death" from you sometime! Thanks, Michael!

Yes! At the risk of beginning to discuss "next week this week," we could definitely do with an expanded "Beach Boys In Concert." I'd especially love to hear that line up doing Dennis' "River Song." Thanks, Raymond!

Glad to hear you're enjoying America and Chicago more! For me, researching these episodes and, especially, listening to the America CDs, I became more aware of how much really good music is out there that goes largely "unnoticed." I suppose, with so much going on, that's inevitable. (Probably the real tragedy is the many times when something lousy becomes a hit!) Your comment on the Robert Lamm album cover sent me back to check if the art director or photographer were the same as on Brian's album. They aren't, though, interestingly, Lamm's photo (but not Brian's) is by Guy Webster who did so much photography for the Beach Boys over many years. Thanks for all the great feedback, Usualmike!

I agree! (I should have included a comparison of the tracks in this episode!) Thanks, friendly!

Fantastic! Thanks for solving the mystery, William! Your comments make me want to pick up a copy of "Dressed for Drowning" too! (The stuff on the Sailor Anthology I picked up is very pleasant pop. I'd definitely be up for hearing more!) Thanks again, William!

I just gave the track another listen. I believe you're right! Thanks for checking it out and for passing that along, friendly!

Darn! That's a bad one to slip up on! (I checked my notes. I think it was a typo when I was putting them together.) Thanks for catching it, friendly! Thanks, too, for pointing out the other "February 6th" connections.

Coincidentally, I just discovered Jason Scheff replaced Peter Cetera in Chicago this week, after recording the episode! (I was doing some research on Chicago for upcoming "1974" episodes.) Thanks for letting me know about Jerry Scheff, who I seem to have overlooked before. I really appreciate making these connections! Thanks, so much, for passing along the info! (I've made a note of this and will follow-up, either in a "Cool Stuff" episode, or in an episode on the "Like A Brother" album.) Definitely looking forward to your thoughts and feedback next week! Seems like it's been a LONG time getting to that episode!

@@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444 Hey Steve - If you ever need me to provide any other background/connective tissue for your regarding what is typically "bass related" info that you may want to use for future episodes, please let me know. I'll be glad to provide important bullet points to help you tell the story (ex. Years that Jerry Scheff played with Elvis, important recordings, etc.) I'm always happy to help. :) Yep, I'm downright GIDDY in anticipation of the episode next week! 😄

@@bchnwgn Thanks, Chris! (So often here, I miss something interesting because I just don't think to pursue it.) As you've probably noticed, "bass-related info" comes up here pretty often. I'll be sure to reach out next time! Much appreciated!

Thanks for the feedback and the info on Sailor, and on the Rubettes, who I hadn't heard of before. I just looked them up in my book that compares the US and UK Top Twenty. I see they hit the UK Top Twenty five times; four in 1974 and once each in '75 and '77, compared to Sailor hitting twice; both times in 1976. I also took a look at the timing of hits by the Bay City Rollers and Slik. I notice that none of them had anything in the Top Twenty later than 1977. It certainly seems to confirm, as you point out, that they were pushed out in favor of disco and/or punk. I’m glad you mentioned Sailor’s outfits! Based on the photos included in the “Anthology” CD I picked up, they were definitely not shy about costumes and artwork with nautical themes. With all the sailor/pirate/gondolier outfits they’re shown wearing in the CD booklet, they come across as sort of a “sea-going-themed” Kiss (with a light pop sound, of course.) Thanks, again, for the UK perspective, Chris!

Thanks for the feedback, Nick! Much appreciated and it's always great to hear from you!

Thanks for the feedback and info on Steely Dan. Amazing that some of the multitracks of "Aja" were lost. It's funny to me that, "back in the day," when "Aja" material was all over the radio, I enjoyed it but didn't really take in how good it was. It wasn't until the 80s that I really began to appreciate it. I think it was simply because, when it was all over the place, I figured it couldn't possibly be "anything special." Now, I look back and marvel that a record that good was also that popular! Glad you enjoyed the series, Joel! It was fun to put together and gave me an excuse to check out some records I'd never heard before.

All great albums, definitely! I wasn't thinking so much of the Smile Sessions, since it's "unfinished" but it's definitely a favorite for me too! Thanks for the perspective, Bruce!

The backing vocals on "Honey Bee" are very slight: just "Aaaah" behind the vocals on the choruses. I know there was a "deluxe" Wildflowers set released a few years ago. I don't have it. It might contain a different mix or two, which might have been what you came across. When I first heard a deluxe set was coming, I was hoping it might contain additional material with Carl but, fortunately, someone here let me know there wasn't and saved me a chunk of money! It could be the "Wild Honey" connection that made Petty think of Carl for it. I hadn't thought of that! I've never been a smoker but I like the smell of clove cigarettes (at least, if it's not too intense.) For some reason, they always remind me of college. I didn't know anyone who smoked them, but that scent always seemed to be around. I have good associations with it. I had forgotten about Edward Burns too. I was kind of glad he came up in this episode since I thought it made it seem very "mid/late 90s" to have him mentioned. (My wife and I saw him in "Brothers McMullin" on, probably, our third date in 1995.) Good question on whatever became of him! I might get ambitious enough to look up his wiki page one of these days! (As you so aptly put it, guess he wasn't the one!) Thanks, as always, for the great feedback, rangergrrrl! Have a great week!

I agree about "Honey Bee." Great track! I'd love to know why Carl ended up on it though. It seems like he could have been used to better effect almost anywhere else. (It might be that Carl just wanted to sing on it, which would be understandable. It would have been fun to be part of, I'm sure, even if he ended up lost in the mix.) Sadly, I never saw Tom Petty in concert. He was one of those guys I always figured I could "catch next time." Like with Carl, Tom Petty's death was a real shock and surprise. Both were guys that I thought had many years ahead of them and would be the ones "left to tell the tale" when many of their peers had passed. To quote Chuck Berry, "It goes to show you never can tell." It should be a lesson to me to get out and see artists while they're still performing (and while I still can!) Thanks for the feedback, as always, Chris!

Well said and I agree, John! As I mentioned elsewhere in the comments, when I talked to Giggens we both said one of the hardest things in talking about a Carl Wilson vocal is finding anything new to say apart from "beautiful." He was an incredible singer and an incredible talent. Thanks for the comments and perspective, as always, John!

Thanks for the thoughts on the Bob Welch-era of Fleetwood Mac. When I was first listening to FM rock in the 70s, there was, of course, nearly constant play of the Buckingham-Nicks-era albums. I'd also occasionally hear some Peter Green-era tracks, but it seems like the whole early 70s era was skipped. I heard "about" Bob Welch having been in Fleetwood Mac long before I ever heard any of those albums. (Of course, it was a real treat when I finally did!) I know what you mean about being "disenchanted" with the expensive "Mind Games" set. As I mentioned, it's the first time I passed on the deluxe set of a Beatles group or solo release. I just can't see spending that kind of money for, basically, a bunch of remixes. (If it had been four or five discs of outtakes, I'd probably have gone ahead.) I hadn't heard about the "Living In The Material World" set, but I should have known it was coming! I agree that it's not one of his strongest albums. Wonder if we'll get anything new apart from remixes. I don't suppose we'll ever get releases like the "John Lennon Anthology" or "The Beatles Anthology" sets again. I suspect there's a lot of unreleased George Harrison recordings "in the vaults" but it seems like they're going to ration them out over years as "bonus tracks" while making us repeatedly re-buy the studio albums in ever more expensive box sets. (Sorry to sound so pessimistic!) At the very least, it really makes me appreciate the recent Beach Boys box sets being so rich in previously unreleased material. They may be getting expensive, but, at least, I feel like I'm getting something for my money! A "long response" once again! Sorry about that, Mike! Thanks for the great feedback!

@@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444 I apologize if I overexplained the history of the Bob Welch era too much. I think it's very interesting to ponder because the band's history does seem to go from the Peter Green era right to the Buckingham/Nicks mega-success period with Welch's work criminally overlooked. And: yes! I agree with you on the format of those boxed sets. If they were outtakes or sessions like the Pet Sounds or Smile or the newer Beach Boys boxes, they would be much more interesting and worth the money invested. I feel that the while the Beatles super deluxe editions that have come out deliver those session highlights, they kind of skimp on them too. And with Harrison: I don't know how many outtakes there are as I feel after 'All Things Must Pass', he cleared out his backlog of songs and just wrote a certain number to order to fill an album like Lennon did. I get the impression that he was pressured to finish 'Living In The Material World' as it had been three years since his last album and he rushed it and the quality suffered. I'm actually more interested in a 'Dark Horse' or 'Extra Texture' set as the latter is one of my favorite albums and is pretty underrated. His estate though is a more reasonable with the presentation of his material than the Lennon camp is, so the newest set should at least be interesting. I will be streaming it and not purchasing it though. Thanks again for another insightful response, Steve!!

@@novim9 No worries on the Bob Welch comments! I don't know the era that well and appreciate the info. After reading your comments, I checked out the upcoming "Living In The Material World" set. Like the "Mind Games" box, it seems to have one disc of alternate takes, plus an alternate version of "Sail Away Raymond" with The Band that George put together for the "Ringo" album. I'm seeing the deluxe set listed for $175. It's basically the same two discs: the album and the outtakes, that come on the $32 double CD, except that, with the box you also get them on vinyl and blu ray and in a big box with booklets. The two disc set doesn't seem to include "Sail Away Raymond." I'd love to have it, but not at the $143 difference between the double CD and the box set. (Actually, now that I think of it, $32 for a double CD only seems reasonable by comparison to the box!) BTW, I very much agree that I'd rather hear "Dark Horse" and "Extra Texture" deluxe sets and I absolutely agree that "Extra Texture is underrated! Thanks, as always, for the follow-up, Mike!

@@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444 Yes. I was just looking at the "Living In The Material World" box more closely as well and it seems to have a moderate amount of bonus material, which makes the double CD seem the more adequate choice and the deluxe set a little superfluous as the extras aren't super essential. They probably purposely kept 'Sail Away Raymond' off the two disc as an incentive for people to get the deluxe, which is kind of lame. The booklets are usually cool, but nothing you would really look at after the first read and are more of a collector's thing, which all of us obviously aren't. On the topic of 'Sail Away Raymond': I think a 'Ringo' album set would be nice as have enough of an audience to justify it as that was a really good album, perhaps even better than what his bandmates were doing that year, as George and John's albums in 73 weren't great and I feel it was even more enjoyable than 'Band On The Run'. Maybe a set combining it with 'Goodnight Vienna' with backing tracks and sessions would be a nice addition to the Beatles fan's collections, definitely more exciting than another 'Band On The Run' reissue. On the 'Extra Texture' box topic: I'm sure it will happen, I just hope we don't have to wait five years for it. It should technically be coming out next year as 2025 is it's 50th anniversary, but I doubt that. Thanks again Steve for another great discussion!

@@novim9 Yes! A box set build around "Ringo" and "Goodnight Vienna," potentially, could be great! I agree that a "Dark Horse" set and an "Extra Texture" set will happen eventually. I suspect there are probably some interesting demos in the vaults. (I know one or two have been bootlegged.) I'll bet "33 1/3" also gets the deluxe treatment some time. Wonder if they'll bother with "Somewhere In England" and "Gone Troppo"? Thanks, too, Mike, for a great discussion! (BTW, my copy of the "Mind Games" book arrived yesterday. I've been putting together an episode for the channel and haven't had a chance to look it over yet. I'll let you know!)

Glad you enjoyed it, Robert! Carl is pretty hard (maybe impossible) to really hear on "Honey Bee." He's much easier to spot on "Hung Up and Overdue." Too bad that one is on "She's The One," which is more obscure in the Petty catalog than "Wildflowers." Always great to hear from you, Robert!

@@thebeachboysbasementwithst6444 Steve, this has nothing really to do with Carl, but by accident, I came across a TH-cam post by someone posting videos under the title Nomad Soundwaves. Watched some of these. In each one, they are claiming that through AI, they're able to create new songs and music of people no longer living. I watched what they did for Elvis. It's a song I'll call "Baby, Come Back" The video shows a record being put on a turntable, then played (The new "Elvis" song) as a couple of young women are shown being waited on in a late 1950s/early 1960s Diner. For a few seconds, some publicity photos are shown from his movie G.I. Blues (1960). The style of the song, and the vocal, sound like they could have come from that time. I also checked out what they did for Janis Joplin and the group Queen. Both I think are pretty good and accurate. Check Nomad Soundwaves out if interested!

@@robertzastrow4648 Thanks for the info, Robert! I will check it out! Much appreciated!

It's so cool that they worked together; two of my all-time favorites! Thanks for the comments, jfeast!

It's the Mary Hopkin "Goodbye" single from 1969; part of this week's background theme, "Featuring Paul McCartney." Good eye noticing it, Alfred!

Glad to know it was enjoyed! Thanks for the feedback, Conrad!

Thanks for the feedback, jl! I did, at least, manage to cover "Hung Up and Overdue" at the end of this episode, talking about its release on "She's The One." Thanks for the additional info on the Petty/Carl Wilson connection. Much appreciated!