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They actually only used a catipult on the eroupian flights

Thanks for the references. Here are a few more. A typical unsupported claim by SD van: | Santos Dumont was a great inventor and a genius. The Wrights were neither. Santos proved flight was possible, The Wrights proved nothing. SB: Please indicate the contributions that SD made with respects to rigid wing heavier than air flying machines. There were quite a few great inventors and possible geniuses among the 200 or so aviation pioneers who made significant contributions before 1910. My list of contributions made by the Wrights is 5 times as long as my list for Santos-Dumont. All of the more than 200 aviation pioneers thought that flight was possible. The Wrights proved nothing? They were not interested in proving anything to others. Their experiments were designed to prove to themselves that they were on the right track. If you wanted something proved, you would have to pay for it. The Wrights were not going to give away their secrets for free. What most people wanted was proof that controlled flight possible and how to build a practical flying machine. SB: Perhaps this will generate some comments. @Steve Bett Açúcar Chocolate wrote: The Wrights did not FLY because they had no engines to fly. In the wright period the engine block weighed a lot, consequently, the greater the power of the engine, the greater its weight. "The genius of Brazilian, ALBERTO SANTOS DUMONT, was so great that he could transform the 25 hp antoinette engine into a lighter and more powerful engine generating 50 hps (This is a historical fact)." SB: In the case of the bis-14, he unbolted the 25 hp engine that was not powerful enough for a long hop and installed an off the shelf 50hp Antoinette 8V. This certainly was a contribution to aviation since it was it was copied by at least 4 other aviation pioneers. When they installed the engine on their prototype they could duplicate the hop made by the 14-bis in 1906. To to say it was evidence of genius is counter-factual misinformation. There are better examples. @Açúcar Chocolate SB: Have you read Lins de Barros articles? The Brazilian physicist wrote a paper circa 2000 that made the case for Santos-Dumont without the use of misinformation and conspiracy theories. I will send you the link if you haven't. Just ask for it. @Açúcar Chocolate wrote "None of the claims of the Wrights are indisputable or beyond doubt. This is because they were not witnessed and certified by the FAI." SB: That was not even possible before 1905. SB: Some of the Wright Flyer II and III flights were witnessed by members of the American. Aero Club but that would not count. They were not French and they were not official witnesses. The second kind of doubt is with respect to flights that seem too incredible to be accurate. That applies only to the 873 ft. 4th and final flight of Wilbur Wright. I can't prove that it didn't happen but I don't think the Wrights proved that it did. AC: "the greater the power of the engine, the greater its weight" SB: Before you speculate on the weight of the 1906 Dayton engine, read up on it. The 1906 Vertical 4 was not any heavier than the 2 earlier engines the Wrights used from 1903 to 1905, but it produced almost double the horsepower. Google Wright vertical 4. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_Vertical_4 weight: 160-180 lbs. (70-80 kg) power: 28 hp. at 1325 rpm 42 hp at 1500 rpm *31 kw AC: Santos Dumont "...was so great that he could transform the 25 Hp antoinette engine into a lighter & more powerful engine generating 50 hps." SB: So Santos could do this but not the Wrights. Where is the evidence? I have no evidence that Santos Dumont had a role in the design and/or production of the Antoinette engines. He might have suggested that the Lavavasseur build a lightweight aero engine based on his popular speedboat engines. He might have told Leon that if he built a 200 lb. 50 hp engine he would buy it. Please find the evidence that he did something that requires genius . Something more than buying an off the shelf aero engine. He did switch from a 25 hp engine to a 50 hp Antoinette 8V (209 lb) engine when it became available in 1906. Wikipedia also has an article on the Antoinette engines that were designed and built by Leon Levavasseur. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoinette_8V SB: Santos-Dumont made a number of contributions to aviation. This is probably not one of them. There are better examples of his genius. What is the source of your "historical facts"? @stevebett4947 In Portuguese (the sources are also available in Portuguese) produção do Motores Antonieta. Ele mudou de um motor de 25 hp para um Motor Antoinette 8V de 50 hp (209 lb) quando ficou disponível em 1906. A Wikipedia também tem um artigo sobre os motores Antoinette. Eles foram projetados e construídos por Leon Levavasseur en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoinette_8V SD fez uma série de contribuições para a aviação. Este não é um deles. Há melhores exemplos de sua genialidade. Qual é a fonte de seus "fatos históricos"? --------- All are invited to discuss including .... @skrilllex @fabioramos2937 @slashpuppet1 @adityanair3673 @slashpuppet1

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They replicated the brother's plane it could not fly!!

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The Flyer never took off on its own merit because it did not have a powerful engine to get it off the ground. It was a very heavy machine with an extremely weak engine. The United States military did several tests and created a perfect replica and put it to flight. It did not fly; it crashed and broke. Santos Dumont's plane flew and stayed fully in the air, even with a very heavy engine, because its duck design helped with air resistance and it took off high because of the power of the engine used. So yes, Santos Dumont was the first to invent the airplane. The brothers only created the Flyer, which was a glider.

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Não há, absolutamente, nenhuma prova consistente do alegado voo de um avião dos empresários irmãos Wrights em 1903, ou mesmo em 1905. Na verdade, por volta de 1905, eles patentearam o projeto de um planador, tipo de aparelho existente já havia quase meio século. Antes do voo de Santos Dumont, os irmãos Wrights não apresentaram um avião em público ou em competições. Este fato deixa claro que eles não conseguiram construir um avião, neste período. Ao contrário, o 14 Bis de Santos Dumont, o inventor do avião, decolou, em 1906, com voo certificado pelo Aeroclube da França e presenciado pelo povo de Paris. Os irmãos Wrights apresentaram um avião, somente em 1908, dois anos após o voo de Santos Dumont, quando já existiam vários aviões voando pelo mundo. Entretanto, apesar das verdades históricas, o ufanismo dos americanos do pós Segunda Guerra Mundial elevou estes irmãos ao nível de inventores do avião, desconsiderando a expressiva inexistência de provas.

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He was a true early aviator but not the first to achieve controlled powered flight. His 1906 historic flight in Paris had only 2 axis control, not the 3 needed to actually control the plane. They were essentially powered hops. The Wrights for years already had 3 axis control and a year before had flown 39 km!!! Dumont's best flight that day was 220 m. It's not even close. It doesn't matter how the Wrights got in the air, they stayed in the air and controlled their machine for kms when everyone else were struggling for metres!

Excellent video! Thanks!

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I bought a hard cover American version at a booksale at my local library. It had an early '40's publishing date. In the late '90's I met a young couple getting married. They read something their minister suggested for the ceremony. It was a "modern" version of a soliliquy by the Little Prince. I went upstairs and found the book. I showed them the original. They thought their minister just came up with this brilliant sentiment. I gave them the book as a wedding present. This book is still important.

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Santos Dumont would never give up his planes for the First and Second World Wars, and as he closed the factory because of the war, the French became resentful of Santos Dumont and simply ceased to recognize him as the father of aviation, the one who actually flew first, giving this place to the Wright Brothers to please the United States who were now mass-manufacturing planes for France. Nothing is as simple as it seems, there's geopolitics in between.

Who flew first in a legit plane? If in the rules an airplane is only a heavier-than-air vehicle that can fly, then this is an airplane, even using outside help like catapults, as the Wright Brothers did, then the Wright brothers made the airplane first, but if in the rules an airplane needs to be a lighter-than-air vehicle, that can fly, but being fully autonomous, without needing external help such as catapults, then Santos Dumont created the first airplane.

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Irmãos brothers de fato foram os primeiros a inventar o planador com motor sem força de decolagem

Alberto Santos Dummont flew before the Wrights and there is no scientific evidence to prove this, in addition to half a dozen dubious photos, letters, telegrams and drawings that scientifically prove nothing. They appeared with their machine in France only in 1908 and before that they didn't prove anything. Santos Dumont already had the 14 Bis and the Demoisele already in 1907... Facts!

Most if not all the crash's in the woman's race that killed one of them was because of sabotage. Was a lot of men then that didn't want women getting any kind of flying respect.

There are several biographical telling videos there on TH-cam. Each are interesting but each stories slightly different details, slightly differently.

Hj todas as criaçoes semelhantes a dos wrightt nao se sustentam no ar ja as replicas do 14 bis voam sem serem catapultados.

Antes de 1948 os wright nao eram conhecidos porque jamais participaram do clube dos inventores e nunca disputaeam nenhuma competiçao aberta .e nao ha registros do voo de 1903 somente em 1908 eles compraram um motor na europa e voaram mas ja era comum muitos voarem.

Dumont's 14bis was a serious attempt to fly, based on European ideas that were flawed at the time. The Wrights were not going to demonstrate the performance of their flyer till their patent was approved in May 1906. The demonstrations in France in 1908 proved their concepts, and the patent laid out in detail what they were. With these concepts, and their own knowledge for building light engines and aircraft structures the Europeans were back in the game. Further, the demonstrations changed mainstream thought that flight was impossible to creating a demand that hadn't existed. Santos-Dumont demolished his 14bis and its design..., and in truth, it made no lasting contribution. But in this flourishing time, Santos-Dumont designed and built a delightful airplane called the Demoiselle. You can still get the plans for this airplane. It was small, simple, and light, his idea of an airplane for everyone, this had lasting value. So, he may not have been an Edison, he was kind of like a Henry Ford.

This video was really informative. I learned a lot!

Flight has many fathers ...

Well at least he didin't used a catapult to help on taking off.

Eu não discuto mais esse assunto com os americanos. Visitei o museu da aviação em Dayton, Ohio (cidade dos irmãos arrombados), com uma camiseta que fiz dizendo em inglês: Santos Dumont, pai da aviação. Pensa nuns olhares… Fodam-se!

This was terrific. Did they manage to find Saint Ex’s remains?

American heroes??!! Bullied the Smithsonian Museum into declaring themselves the "inventors of heavier than air flight when we all know that Gustav Whitehead beat them by 2 years in 1901

One of the greatest documentaries I've ever seen.

Sorry, but this video is fake: first public flight made by Wright Brothers was in 1908 and before that, just narratives th-cam.com/video/n3XvSCF-djw/w-d-xo.html

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It was the Brazilian Santos Dumont who for the first time managed to lift and sustain a flight with his own means of his 14 Bis device.

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Santos Dumont foi pioneiro em máquinas voadora mais leve que o ar, e no mais pesado que o ar. O engraçado e os americanos falando que o 14 bis era uma máquina desajeitado sendo que o Flyers nunca vôo! Como o flyers vôo tendo mais peso e pouca potência?

Very nice video. Although, behind the scenes, Henry Kleckler, Curtiss’s best friend, shop Forman and senior design engineer, designed the OX-2 engine used to set the land speed record. Henry also was the engineer who put the curve in the wings, invented the aileron, designed the Junebug and designed the OX-5 engine, the first mass produced airplane engine.

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The North Americans may have been the first to fly, but Santos Dummont invented the plane. The Flyer of 1903 was not a plane at all.

Watching her story sent chills up my spine as a African American woman I have accomplished many "first" in my community one being the first hired as a police officer in all white dept....when I think about women like Bessie who came before me I am so proud that she never allowed her circumstances or the segregated laws to deter her from greatness...what a heartbreaking end to her physical life here on earth....but her sprit and story live on...thank you Bessie....for your sacrifice and for paving the way....see u when I get there beautiful

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This was excellent and spot-on!

richard pearse, a farmer inventer from new zealand successfully flew his plane in a controlled manned flight, 31st of march, 1903, 6 months before the wright brothers, a little fact most americans don't like or acknowledge, look it up folks,