DNA may prove little other than some Asian ancestry. Pure reference DNA is rare. Merely being in the same haplogroup as others with proven historical ties can be disputed. Why can't we allow folks to be who they want to be without demanding genealogy?
Could you please contact the Unitarian universalist society of Burlington, we need a banner. You are welcome to bless our land and we would like to invite you to a service of your choice on Sunday. I am part of an old tribe to history to my ancestry. And my grandmother told me all about the history of our tribe. Vermont is a real tribe. David call
Man, i didnt expect to feel this way. I absolutely understand the stand of the Canada Abanaki that these people can't prove ancestry and so are not Abanaki. Then you see people with *multiple* generations of belief that they ARE... I can understand the reaction of disbelief and refusal to just say, "Oh ok, never mind." I have no idea what the right answer is, but wow. I didn't expect to think this much from watching it.
It's mindboggling that these "tribes" got state recognition - a lot of wheeling and dealing to be sure. Elnu's Sheehan uses the surname "Longtoe" - sounds very Native American, doesn't it, but it's just the English pronunciation (corrupted a bit over time) of the French surname 'Lanctot' (which in French is pronounced fairly close to "long-toe). I thnk his group originally started out as reenactors. Race-shifting and 'aspirational descent' to the extreme.
Smh as a white person. This is so embarrassing. Why do white people identify with everyone elses culture but their own? Europe is home to some of the most beautiful culture on earth.
Calling people pretenders on the basis of their skin is just redundant. Its like calling every blue eyed, light skinned african American or blonde Jew....a none african or none jew. These people have not given up because when there is truth behind something....it never truly dies. Truth always wins in the end....even if it takes a millenia. I should know....Im a christian....we are being told what we believe is false, made up, ridiculous...and are being pushed out and attacked for our beliefs and what we know is truth.....even when we keep a peaceful disposition. Even worse..many of us are clammed in together with the catholics who did atrocities to others throughout history. Most people see us as the same.. because we claim Jesus as God and king. But it couldnt be further from the truth. I hope they get recognition. And if they are false, again...truth and time will tell. But I have a feeling their story is accurate. And if so...I commend them for holding onto their truth. God bless. 🙏❤
Remembering The Good ole Days when Listuguj Men Always went to the States to Be Ironworkers ✊🏾❤, It was A Family Tradition & So much Pride in their Work 😍❤ Is This Now Just Our History due to Laziness, Miss those Days 😔 You couldn't do Drugs or be Lazy either, I hope To Our Creator that's not the Reason What was once Our Tradition is now becoming History
I want to see folks at Odanak take DNA tests too. It is a popularity contest right now and Canadian law, if a native woman marries a white guy, they lose status. My great grandmother married a Scotsman and we lost our status at Odanak. I had my DNA done and I am 13.9% native American, which matches to grand parents and great grand parent level. No one is talking about this for Canadian law. Jacque Watso's mother, the same thing happened, he was a Thibadaux, father French/white. They aren't presenting a balanced view.
This is a great video not everyone knows about the small eastern bands of tribes of north America that are still around i do have a problem with the people in the comments section trying to deligitimize the abenaki and other small eastern native tribes saying they are not 'real natives' just because they don't look like your stereotypical red brown indian in media and elsewhere well im sorry to break your racist bubble but not every native American is red or brown they're are some that look black or really dark and some that look white or really light hell they're are some who look asian too! Most people in the world dont know anything about ethnic minorities groups in the world those minorities don't look like anything like what they're supposed to look like according to our racist standards like in Russia they're ethnic minorities that look white or like russians themselves and in china they're minorities like the uyghurs and tibetans look chinese even white! So don't say just because they're not that group of people doesn't mean they aren't that group just because of their skin or eyes
its not at all about how they don't "look like" a certain way. these people were denied federal recognition for a reason, and even had their state recognition rescinded for the very same reason. if this is what you are saying and taking so much time to type out and defend these people, then you should research the Abenaki - the federally recognized Abenaki in Odanak and Wôlinak in Canada.
I’m from a federally recognized tribe, these are frauds of European descent who have no evidence to claim anything. Shame on you for defending frauds who are trying to steal from us.
False equivalency. These groups you're talking about look white because they technically ARE. If you knew anything about anthropology, you'd understand that those ethnic groups have remnants of Indo Europeans that lived in those areas alongside or even before (like the Sarmatians in Kazakhstan or the Indo Europeans of Western China) and if THATS not the case, it's typically because they're mixed with Russian anyways!! To say these people are 100% native is absurd and I'm not going to pretend with you. I myself am "Métis" and I would never claim to be a first nations person. I'm mixed french and native. If that's your case, SAY THAT.
Who are the fake natives? Because I see real natives here you should learn about ethnic minorities groups around the world before you call anyone fake in Russia the chechens and koryaks and other Asian minority look like white russians even though they're supposed to look like the typical Asians and in China the uyghurs and the tibetans look like the average Chinese people even though uyghurs are supposed to be Turkish 🇹🇷 and some uyghurs look white and the Tibetans in china are supposed to be Indian from India 🇮🇳 but some look like Chinese and light skinned and in Japan the ainu people of Northern Japan are more related to natives of North America but they look very different from what they supposed to look like according to the racist people so please do some research on this before you call anyone fake also look at north African people too I forgot to put that on there
after a while, you gotta just move on. Perhaps years ago, this may have worked. Like trying to bring back extinct fish. Maybe they see possibilities of a casino and some money.
Laughing because you think natives are supposed to be fully brown? You are wrong you are black from your profile picture so you can't say anything about us!
They are all in the video you just want to see red and brown skined natives only (even though real indigenous native American are different skin hues some look darker and some look lighter you don't know REAL NATIVE CULTURE
@@fascisthippieforever5762 I'm Wabanaki. ACTUAL Wabanaki. These colonizers are singing our song lyrics wrong, they're wearing regalia soup, they're breaking some cultural rules, and they're flatout lying about having 7 fluent speakers of the language. That's just to start. If they were brown, I would still be able to see through their lies.
@@lovemypuppy2811We natives don't live up your racist expectations with the blood quantum bullshit you colonizers made up so you can steal indigenous land.
Do you need to look brown and red to be considered native Indian? NO natives of America have diverse looks and skin hues you are probably just racist as those race supremacist supporters
They are native American they're natives that look black and white just like in Russia they're ethnic Mongols and Asians that look white and in China they're uyghurs that look chinese and white and Tibetans in China that look chinese and even half white
Smh you do realize that its the actual Abenaki Natives in Quebec leading the fight against these people? These people have been proven as false as only 8 out of nearly 1,300 of them had any Native ancestry. Its also embarrassing as a white person cause why can't these people just be proud of their European blood.
@@Nonameh-h5x Thank you for responding. Have you searched if their claims have truth? Many have claims, but just lie. Or because they turned in their “proof”, that means something without being actually approved. I see and understand some fake tribes pay off state representatives and can buy their way thru the state, but not many can get past the federal government. Thank you for your conversation.
You don't need to be recognized from the big government even if they don't look like your stereotypical red native Indian they are still what they are and I'm proud of them for maintaining their identity
@@Nonameh-h5xdon't know why you need government just to recognize your tribe in the first place yes they're are some fake groups that try to claim native status but those individual groups are very very small and run by at least 6 to 10 people so it's easy for us to spot them out but those smaller tribes from the eastern side of the north American continent are in fact real natives of America
@@fascisthippieforever5762 their pretendians with no historical evidence or genealogy to back up their claim they come up with excuses as to why they have no proof their the definition of 5 Dollar Indians
Just came from Parrsboro on a vacation - I didn't want to leave and kept postponing my departure. Does anyone know if the Internet is good in town or in-person tutoring possibilities? I am an online tutor and hear the internet is dismal just outside of town. I quite appreciated the Springhill Museum tour - we got to go quite a ways underground.
i live right beside red bank....this place is old as fuck..their is a burial mound a few minutes walk from my house...if the government knew that they will just take a prersons property tho..im hesitant to say something is there because of that
God's Country? your write, and Spring hill its twin, I am a Parrsboro , well, Harrison Settlement, but was Born in Parrsboro, the Hospital isn't there any more, its a Senior's Home now, I love the hole place, you just can't beat it.
They look white
DNA may prove little other than some Asian ancestry. Pure reference DNA is rare. Merely being in the same haplogroup as others with proven historical ties can be disputed. Why can't we allow folks to be who they want to be without demanding genealogy?
LOL these people are FRAUDS!!
DO YOU SEE THIS SHIT HERE
THIS SHIT IS UNBELIVABLE THESE PEOPLE ARE EUROPEANS
Pretendians
Yes they look 0 indigenous.
These are white people that no longer wanted to be white
Where is John he’s a true one
Could you please contact the Unitarian universalist society of Burlington, we need a banner. You are welcome to bless our land and we would like to invite you to a service of your choice on Sunday. I am part of an old tribe to history to my ancestry. And my grandmother told me all about the history of our tribe. Vermont is a real tribe. David call
Man, i didnt expect to feel this way. I absolutely understand the stand of the Canada Abanaki that these people can't prove ancestry and so are not Abanaki. Then you see people with *multiple* generations of belief that they ARE... I can understand the reaction of disbelief and refusal to just say, "Oh ok, never mind." I have no idea what the right answer is, but wow. I didn't expect to think this much from watching it.
It's mindboggling that these "tribes" got state recognition - a lot of wheeling and dealing to be sure. Elnu's Sheehan uses the surname "Longtoe" - sounds very Native American, doesn't it, but it's just the English pronunciation (corrupted a bit over time) of the French surname 'Lanctot' (which in French is pronounced fairly close to "long-toe). I thnk his group originally started out as reenactors. Race-shifting and 'aspirational descent' to the extreme.
Smh as a white person. This is so embarrassing. Why do white people identify with everyone elses culture but their own? Europe is home to some of the most beautiful culture on earth.
Calling people pretenders on the basis of their skin is just redundant. Its like calling every blue eyed, light skinned african American or blonde Jew....a none african or none jew. These people have not given up because when there is truth behind something....it never truly dies. Truth always wins in the end....even if it takes a millenia. I should know....Im a christian....we are being told what we believe is false, made up, ridiculous...and are being pushed out and attacked for our beliefs and what we know is truth.....even when we keep a peaceful disposition. Even worse..many of us are clammed in together with the catholics who did atrocities to others throughout history. Most people see us as the same.. because we claim Jesus as God and king. But it couldnt be further from the truth. I hope they get recognition. And if they are false, again...truth and time will tell. But I have a feeling their story is accurate. And if so...I commend them for holding onto their truth. God bless. 🙏❤
Remembering The Good ole Days when Listuguj Men Always went to the States to Be Ironworkers ✊🏾❤, It was A Family Tradition & So much Pride in their Work 😍❤ Is This Now Just Our History due to Laziness, Miss those Days 😔 You couldn't do Drugs or be Lazy either, I hope To Our Creator that's not the Reason What was once Our Tradition is now becoming History
Larpers.
I heard some white folks are actually native the farther north you go. Because you know, skin color doesn’t determine genetics
White is a race. White people come from Europe. White is not a skin color.
This is just......UGH. wtf.
This is just pathetic. I also have a great-great-great grandmother that was indigenous. Im not though 😅
Is this an SNL skit?
Your alllllll'white common this is sickening
We natives don't live up your racist expectations with the blood quantum bullshit you colonizers made up so you can steal indigenous land.
Do you really think that being on a reservation is a "privilege"? You're just a bunch of colonizers trying to claim our land and copy our culture.
NOPE these are frauds, no real actual ancestors or proof they have no records because their fakes no genealogy either, they wont do it PRETENDIANS
Dna tests all round,they should have no problem if they are who they say they are.
I want to see folks at Odanak take DNA tests too. It is a popularity contest right now and Canadian law, if a native woman marries a white guy, they lose status. My great grandmother married a Scotsman and we lost our status at Odanak. I had my DNA done and I am 13.9% native American, which matches to grand parents and great grand parent level. No one is talking about this for Canadian law. Jacque Watso's mother, the same thing happened, he was a Thibadaux, father French/white. They aren't presenting a balanced view.
The Vermont Pretendian channel Incredibly ignorant and harmful. Especially love the narrator with the wannabe accent. Shame on Vermont.
Fake
This is a great video not everyone knows about the small eastern bands of tribes of north America that are still around i do have a problem with the people in the comments section trying to deligitimize the abenaki and other small eastern native tribes saying they are not 'real natives' just because they don't look like your stereotypical red brown indian in media and elsewhere well im sorry to break your racist bubble but not every native American is red or brown they're are some that look black or really dark and some that look white or really light hell they're are some who look asian too! Most people in the world dont know anything about ethnic minorities groups in the world those minorities don't look like anything like what they're supposed to look like according to our racist standards like in Russia they're ethnic minorities that look white or like russians themselves and in china they're minorities like the uyghurs and tibetans look chinese even white! So don't say just because they're not that group of people doesn't mean they aren't that group just because of their skin or eyes
its not at all about how they don't "look like" a certain way. these people were denied federal recognition for a reason, and even had their state recognition rescinded for the very same reason. if this is what you are saying and taking so much time to type out and defend these people, then you should research the Abenaki - the federally recognized Abenaki in Odanak and Wôlinak in Canada.
I’m from a federally recognized tribe, these are frauds of European descent who have no evidence to claim anything. Shame on you for defending frauds who are trying to steal from us.
False equivalency. These groups you're talking about look white because they technically ARE. If you knew anything about anthropology, you'd understand that those ethnic groups have remnants of Indo Europeans that lived in those areas alongside or even before (like the Sarmatians in Kazakhstan or the Indo Europeans of Western China) and if THATS not the case, it's typically because they're mixed with Russian anyways!! To say these people are 100% native is absurd and I'm not going to pretend with you. I myself am "Métis" and I would never claim to be a first nations person. I'm mixed french and native. If that's your case, SAY THAT.
@@aidanwilson1597 M'sadoques is my family name in Odanak
@@DylanSarmaki my dad was French Canadian and my mom abenaki. Family still live in Odanak
Fake natives.
Who are the fake natives? Because I see real natives here you should learn about ethnic minorities groups around the world before you call anyone fake in Russia the chechens and koryaks and other Asian minority look like white russians even though they're supposed to look like the typical Asians and in China the uyghurs and the tibetans look like the average Chinese people even though uyghurs are supposed to be Turkish 🇹🇷 and some uyghurs look white and the Tibetans in china are supposed to be Indian from India 🇮🇳 but some look like Chinese and light skinned and in Japan the ainu people of Northern Japan are more related to natives of North America but they look very different from what they supposed to look like according to the racist people so please do some research on this before you call anyone fake also look at north African people too I forgot to put that on there
after a while, you gotta just move on. Perhaps years ago, this may have worked. Like trying to bring back extinct fish. Maybe they see possibilities of a casino and some money.
Nope. According to documentation the State of VT only granted State recognition on condition of no casinos and no land rights.
@@bluekimchiandrea4476 You are correct...I just finished reading their laws
😅😅😅😅😅
Laughing because you think natives are supposed to be fully brown? You are wrong you are black from your profile picture so you can't say anything about us!
Where are the indigenous peoples 😂😂😂😂
They are all in the video you just want to see red and brown skined natives only (even though real indigenous native American are different skin hues some look darker and some look lighter you don't know REAL NATIVE CULTURE
@@fascisthippieforever5762 I'm Wabanaki. ACTUAL Wabanaki. These colonizers are singing our song lyrics wrong, they're wearing regalia soup, they're breaking some cultural rules, and they're flatout lying about having 7 fluent speakers of the language. That's just to start. If they were brown, I would still be able to see through their lies.
@@fascisthippieforever5762Be quiet and be one with Mother Earth. They have no evidence for any claim no matter what color they are.
@@lovemypuppy2811We natives don't live up your racist expectations with the blood quantum bullshit you colonizers made up so you can steal indigenous land.
The white man put them on reservations 😢
Blue eyes ? That's why a lot of people call them fake and wannabe !
Do you need to look brown and red to be considered native Indian? NO natives of America have diverse looks and skin hues you are probably just racist as those race supremacist supporters
Speak English . !!
This is shameful the government needs to make these people do dna test and prove that they are native is makes me sick
They are native American they're natives that look black and white just like in Russia they're ethnic Mongols and Asians that look white and in China they're uyghurs that look chinese and white and Tibetans in China that look chinese and even half white
Of course they need to prove who they claim to be. Shameful? Talk about shame, this is a fake tribe trying to steal benefits meant for real Tribes.
@@fascisthippieforever5762 So true!
Smh you do realize that its the actual Abenaki Natives in Quebec leading the fight against these people? These people have been proven as false as only 8 out of nearly 1,300 of them had any Native ancestry. Its also embarrassing as a white person cause why can't these people just be proud of their European blood.
They have been brought before the United Nations for being phony baloney.
Trying to claim Penobscot territory
I smell this tribe doesn’t have the linage needed for federal recognition.
They aren't.They haven't provided genealogy or evidence don't know why they got federally recognized
@@Nonameh-h5x Thank you for responding. Have you searched if their claims have truth? Many have claims, but just lie. Or because they turned in their “proof”, that means something without being actually approved. I see and understand some fake tribes pay off state representatives and can buy their way thru the state, but not many can get past the federal government. Thank you for your conversation.
You don't need to be recognized from the big government even if they don't look like your stereotypical red native Indian they are still what they are and I'm proud of them for maintaining their identity
@@Nonameh-h5xdon't know why you need government just to recognize your tribe in the first place yes they're are some fake groups that try to claim native status but those individual groups are very very small and run by at least 6 to 10 people so it's easy for us to spot them out but those smaller tribes from the eastern side of the north American continent are in fact real natives of America
@@fascisthippieforever5762 their pretendians with no historical evidence or genealogy to back up their claim they come up with excuses as to why they have no proof their the definition of 5 Dollar Indians
Just came from Parrsboro on a vacation - I didn't want to leave and kept postponing my departure. Does anyone know if the Internet is good in town or in-person tutoring possibilities? I am an online tutor and hear the internet is dismal just outside of town. I quite appreciated the Springhill Museum tour - we got to go quite a ways underground.
These are my people so proud of all the hard work all of you have done aho
Pretendians
Proprietors
Your people? You mean eastern colonizers?
3:26 lol! The man looks 1/16 native american.
So every nationality HAS TO LOOK A CERTAIN WAY? <<<< racial profiling IS ALWAYS BAD!!!!
@@angelafleming8284I 100% agree with you
Not even.
Great job.
this was a great documentary
i live right beside red bank....this place is old as fuck..their is a burial mound a few minutes walk from my house...if the government knew that they will just take a prersons property tho..im hesitant to say something is there because of that
WOW, what a great place to be !
God's Country? your write, and Spring hill its twin, I am a Parrsboro , well, Harrison Settlement, but was Born in Parrsboro, the Hospital isn't there any more, its a Senior's Home now, I love the hole place, you just can't beat it.
God's country , just beautiful. If I didn't love Springhill so much, I 'd move there in a second.