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Commodore 64 SID, XSID and ARMSID: a complete comparative test
Today, we're diving into a fascinating comparative test of three different SID chips for the Commodore 64: the original SID, XSID, and ARMSID. Each of these chips has its own unique characteristics:
Original SID: The classic sound chip, known for its warm, analog sound and used in the original Commodore 64.
XSID: A modern replacement that replicates much of the original SID’s functionality, though it doesn’t emulate every single feature, particularly some analog aspects.
ARMSID: Another modern replacement, designed to emulate all features of the original SID, making it highly compatible with both software and hardware.
In this video, I wanted to put these chips to the test to actually hear how they sound. I started by testing each chip with a diagnostic tool and then moved on to playing some music from classic games like "International Karate Plus" and a demo called "1099" to really push the chips to their limits.
During the tests, I recorded the sound directly from the Commodore 64 so you can hear the differences yourself. I found that the ARMSID produced a slightly softer, less harsh sound compared to the others, and it also had a lower volume output, which can easily be adjusted.
Finally, I ran each chip through the same tests, so you can listen and decide for yourself which one sounds the best. If you're curious about these chips or considering replacing your SID, I hope this comparison is helpful and fun to watch. Thanks for tuning in, and feel free to leave your thoughts and suggestions for future tests in the comments!
Chapters
0:00 Intro
0:27 Hello Mighty Pirates
2:50 Installing the original SID
4:55 SID test
5:17 Installing XSID
7:08 XSID test 1: with audio jumper
7:26 XSID test 2: without audio jumper
7:44 Installing ARMSID
9:25 ARMSID test
9:44 Hardware test completed
11:43 Installing the original SID
13:02 SID playing IK+
16:10 Installing XSID
17:54 XSID playing IK+
21:02 Installing ARMSID
22:37 ARMSID playing IK+
25:47 Extra Demo Content
27:25 SID playing demo "1990"
30:42 XSID playing demo "1990"
34:01 ARMSID playing demo "1990"
36:40 Audio test completed
I own the license of all songs and media used in the video, for all social media platforms.
Original SID: The classic sound chip, known for its warm, analog sound and used in the original Commodore 64.
XSID: A modern replacement that replicates much of the original SID’s functionality, though it doesn’t emulate every single feature, particularly some analog aspects.
ARMSID: Another modern replacement, designed to emulate all features of the original SID, making it highly compatible with both software and hardware.
In this video, I wanted to put these chips to the test to actually hear how they sound. I started by testing each chip with a diagnostic tool and then moved on to playing some music from classic games like "International Karate Plus" and a demo called "1099" to really push the chips to their limits.
During the tests, I recorded the sound directly from the Commodore 64 so you can hear the differences yourself. I found that the ARMSID produced a slightly softer, less harsh sound compared to the others, and it also had a lower volume output, which can easily be adjusted.
Finally, I ran each chip through the same tests, so you can listen and decide for yourself which one sounds the best. If you're curious about these chips or considering replacing your SID, I hope this comparison is helpful and fun to watch. Thanks for tuning in, and feel free to leave your thoughts and suggestions for future tests in the comments!
Chapters
0:00 Intro
0:27 Hello Mighty Pirates
2:50 Installing the original SID
4:55 SID test
5:17 Installing XSID
7:08 XSID test 1: with audio jumper
7:26 XSID test 2: without audio jumper
7:44 Installing ARMSID
9:25 ARMSID test
9:44 Hardware test completed
11:43 Installing the original SID
13:02 SID playing IK+
16:10 Installing XSID
17:54 XSID playing IK+
21:02 Installing ARMSID
22:37 ARMSID playing IK+
25:47 Extra Demo Content
27:25 SID playing demo "1990"
30:42 XSID playing demo "1990"
34:01 ARMSID playing demo "1990"
36:40 Audio test completed
I own the license of all songs and media used in the video, for all social media platforms.
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Knock the music off man.
We love that music
Delete the sweet dreams music it has nothing to do with the C64.
Commodore 64 and Sweet Dreams share the same year (1983) so it has everything to do with it. Plus, we love it...! :-)
That must have been left right in front of a fire.Candidate for a 3d-printed case and a donor keyboard? … I did see one in a video recently which had had a 100W bulb left on it, but the damage was nothing like this bad.
We were shocked when we saw that commodore on ebay and we bought it without waiting 1 second.
I did a very similar video a few years ago ... my conclusion was that the Armsid is 99% close to the original .. all the others just don't come close ..I am talik 6581.. the original 8580 never sound right to me anyway ...I hope you have them all set to the same model chip.. also the comparison is better done with the sounds side by side .. Great video tho .. keep up the good work 😉
Wow thank you sooooooo much, we will surely follow your advice. You are way more expert than us.
Great idea for the video. Not so great video.
Sorry to hear that, we love the comments though
Sweet dreams of watching a video without unnecessary music. 🙂
Commodore 64 and Sweet Dreams share the same year (1983). Plus, we love that song...! :-)
Like the MOS SID6581R4AR and the MOS SID8580R5. Use it on the C64 Reloaded MK 2015.
Love it!
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I would have been curious to hear the soundtrack of the Tetris game, the longest soundtrack of all. (over 25 mins) I remember that with one of the first custom SIDs (even emulated C64) , it was really bad and many nuances were missing th-cam.com/video/Ny743c32gPg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=pkWnifoRywrDAvLi
Good idea! We might like to test that!!!!!!!!!!
this is strange, before writing the previous post I replied at this givin' a link to another videogame music (Gordian Tomb) that spans over 31 minutes... did I screwed something or was it deleted by purpose? Maybe the BGM from Gordian Tomb doesn't stress that much SIDs featured but it is very (and I mean so) looooooong! Anyway... many ***cheap*** SID replacements simply doesn't compare to TheRealThing[TM]... in order of personal taste there are only FPGASID and ARM2SID/ARMSID that should be considered real replacement while all the others might be useful for testing a faulty C64 Board having no complaints if magic-smoke shows. ^_^
What is not shown in the video is that the ARMSID can be updated (new firmware) and configured to sound like a real SID 6581 and the difference is really small. Just run the configuration program on their website and play with the filter sliders. The ARMSID is more expensive but it opens up more possibilities.
You are absolutely right, maybe we will record a specific video about that. The purpouse of this video was to test different chips, not showing all the features. Plus we usually don't aim to make adv for free. ;-)
@@triplefreedom your ARMSID sounds very much too odd with noise generator, are you running the test with the latest firmware? I just did a test with my (very old) ARMSID (which runs the latest available firmware to date) and haven't noticed such a drop on volume. Just for comparison I tested SIDKICK-PICO (firmware v0.21), real 6581 (datecode 3384), FPGASID (firmware rev.0A)... X-SID was a no-go for me since it didn't support paddles so I can't test/hear myself how it sounds.
@@RyuunosukeFujinami We tested it using the firmware installed by them when we bought it (June 6th 2024). If we have time to upgrade it maybe we could run the test again. Loved your comment thanks!
Nice comparison! Good work!
Thanks!
Nice iv still got my comador vic 20
Really???? Send us a little video if you can!
I LOVE MY C64 ❤❤❤ FOREVER ❤❤❤❤
@@dr.ignacioglez.9677 absolutely
Huge
Super nice isn't it?
Great video! I love speecy!
Thank youuuuuuuu!
Very nice 👍🏻
@@ClassicRetroByte it's amazing for a spectrum:-)
Would liked to have heard it load up without the music tbh 😁
@@Tony_Stony and now we know you are a terrific Sinclair lover
@@triplefreedom without any music over it, it 'may' be possible to record the audio and 'attempt' to load from the recording 😁
or download the video and extract the audio directly from it 😉😁
@@andygozzo72 we are setting up the sound blaster to record the audio
How do I buy one, and how much $
@@donaldblakley6796 send us a mail at info@triplefreedom.com
That issue with the Shift-Lock reminds of why we handled the LEFT and RIGHT keys in menus.
Awesome!
As a collector.. I love the armsid
@@donaldblakley6796 we do too
It won't let me send you a private email. It keeps saying invalid email address:(
@@donaldblakley6796 very strange!!! the mail INFO(AT)TRIPLEFREEDOM.COM is perfectly working. what email client are you using?
nice!
Thank you!
That’s so awesome! 👏
It's really amazing, yes. It feels like being a teenager again 😂
armsid is a good replacement I've never had any 2nd thoughts. then drill a hole in old sid and stick it on a keyring good memento
Nooo really? You should have sent it to us!!! Don't drill an old chip!!!!
And what is it good for?
It's a nice replacement
Can't you play a Rob Hubbard song with both chips? Preferably a blind test where you can guess which is which.
Provide us the .PRG to load and we might run a deep test about that!
Et à quoi ça sert ?
If you have a broken CPU and you want a new one!
@@triplefreedom Ok, merci.
Where did u buy it.... How much
Send us a mail info@triplefreedom.com
Hi triple freedom, had this game in the 80s, played it on my plus 2. Seems like you're only getting one channel audio during the intro music. I also think if you're playing against the computer there's music playing while the computer opponent is taking their turn.
Thank you soooooo much for the hints. I will try my best to check everything out. The jack connected to the sound card is a stero one, so it seems really strange.
Very Goodyear ❤
Thank you 🙏
Very nice! I've emulated the 6510 in software before, it's nice to see someone taking that to the hardware level.
Super nice. What's the URL of your software project?
Are these going to be available to buy?
@@donaldblakley6796 Sure you can contact us at info@triplefreedom.com
Wieso wurde die cpu ersetzt?
Because I wanted to test it. And the old one is safe, inside a bag now.
Ein Stativ würde deinen Videos gut tun. Mir ist etwas schlecht geworden beim Zuschauen.
I know and I have it, but I wanted this video to be dynamic LoL 😂
Wow normaly I keep my mouth shut when I don't like something pehaps it just isn't for me...But man this is really just waste of Harddisk space on youtube's servers and that from a 48kb game.... impressive.
I love your comment. I had two options: waste time to cut the video and make it shorter OR just upload it and use the chapters feature. Guess what!!!😂
Even better, Google has plenty of servers and surely they have some money left. If I was you, I wouldn't worry too much about their space... LoL
Hello! I am Milkis and I am interested in making a raspberry farm to generate streaming on Spotify, I would like to have your advice please
Hi thank you for reaching us. I don't have a good advice for that sorry.
Very nice setup❤. Where can I buy this Joystick?
Thank you! You can buy it on eBay, I bought two of them and they are simply great, they are custom made. You can find it here www.ebay.it/usr/kymera76
scusami ti volevo chiedere come colleghi il commodore 64 alla tv?
C'è un cavo video da un lato il DIN del C64, dall'altro 3 uscite RCA: video, audio sx e audio dx
Yup, needs a full disassembling and cleaning 😮
Yes you are right!!!!!!
Please notice the dust inside, this machine has never been opened!!!
"Promosm"
Nice!! 👍
Thanks!
Preciosa esa joya compañero!! 🤗
Sono proprio contento che ti piaccia ☺️
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You should fire your lighting technician. Everything he shoots is in the shadow of his cell phone.