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Watch Overhaul
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เข้าร่วมเมื่อ 17 ม.ค. 2022
I am very much an amateur watchmaker/clockmaker and figuring things out as I go. I try to find watches or clocks that need some help and give them an overhaul.
Rescuing 1860s Seth Thomas Ogee Clock Restoration
Next up on the bench is a beautiful 30-hour weight driven Seth Thomas Ogee Clock from the 1860s. This clock is riddled with problems and requires an extensive overhaul of not just the clock movement but also the case. Watch how I completely restore this clock both inside and out.
In this video, you'll see:
0:00 - Introduction
0:24 - Case Tour
1:37 - Initial Problems
2:54 - Removing Hands and Dial
4:23 - Removing Clock Movement
6:28 - Extremely Dirty Movement
7:27 - Disassembling Movement
11:59 - Cleaning Movement
16:37 - Repairing Suspension Spring
17:52 - Repairing 2nd Wheel Pivot Hole
22:57 - Repairing Escape Wheel Pivot Hole
25:16 - Assembling Movement
26:28 - Calculating BPM
29:20 - Disassembling Case
31:28 - Repairing Case Veneer
36:05 - Staining Veneer
36:45 - Refinishing Case
40:00 - Making New Dust Cover
41:40 - Assembling Case
42:40 - Installing New Weight Cord
44:05 - Oiling the Movement
44:50 - Installing Movement
48:22 - Installing Weights
49:07 - Testing Movement
50:36 - Making Pin for Hands
51:15 - Installing Dial and Hands
52:20 - Testing Strike
52:45 - Adjusting Beat Rate
54:22 - Conclusion
- How to remove hands and dial from a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock.
- How to remove a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock movement.
- How to disassemble Seth Thomas Ogee Clock movement.
- How to clean a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock.
- How to repair a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock suspension spring.
- How to repair damaged pivot holes on a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock.
- How to assemble a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock movement.
- How to calculate the Beats per Minute (BPM) for a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock.
- How to dissemble a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock case .
- How to repair damaged veneer on a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock case.
- How to stain match veneer on a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock case.
- How to refinish a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock case.
- How to make a new pulley dust cover for a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock.
- How to assemble a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock case.
- How to install new weight cords for a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock.
- How to oil a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock movement.
- How to install a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock movement.
- How to install weights for a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock.
- How to make a new pin for the hands for a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock.
- How to adjust the beat rate for a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock.
I hope you liked this video. Please feel free to like, comment, and subscribe. :)
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In this video, you'll see:
0:00 - Introduction
0:24 - Case Tour
1:37 - Initial Problems
2:54 - Removing Hands and Dial
4:23 - Removing Clock Movement
6:28 - Extremely Dirty Movement
7:27 - Disassembling Movement
11:59 - Cleaning Movement
16:37 - Repairing Suspension Spring
17:52 - Repairing 2nd Wheel Pivot Hole
22:57 - Repairing Escape Wheel Pivot Hole
25:16 - Assembling Movement
26:28 - Calculating BPM
29:20 - Disassembling Case
31:28 - Repairing Case Veneer
36:05 - Staining Veneer
36:45 - Refinishing Case
40:00 - Making New Dust Cover
41:40 - Assembling Case
42:40 - Installing New Weight Cord
44:05 - Oiling the Movement
44:50 - Installing Movement
48:22 - Installing Weights
49:07 - Testing Movement
50:36 - Making Pin for Hands
51:15 - Installing Dial and Hands
52:20 - Testing Strike
52:45 - Adjusting Beat Rate
54:22 - Conclusion
- How to remove hands and dial from a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock.
- How to remove a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock movement.
- How to disassemble Seth Thomas Ogee Clock movement.
- How to clean a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock.
- How to repair a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock suspension spring.
- How to repair damaged pivot holes on a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock.
- How to assemble a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock movement.
- How to calculate the Beats per Minute (BPM) for a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock.
- How to dissemble a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock case .
- How to repair damaged veneer on a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock case.
- How to stain match veneer on a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock case.
- How to refinish a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock case.
- How to make a new pulley dust cover for a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock.
- How to assemble a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock case.
- How to install new weight cords for a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock.
- How to oil a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock movement.
- How to install a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock movement.
- How to install weights for a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock.
- How to make a new pin for the hands for a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock.
- How to adjust the beat rate for a Seth Thomas Ogee Clock.
I hope you liked this video. Please feel free to like, comment, and subscribe. :)
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Hi it is Nov 29 2024 I heard you give a shout out to a guy named Dave from Canada I am from montreal canada I have a Seth Thomas you have one exactly the same in one of your videos 18 hundreds it do work but as you said over the years the dust and oils have caused it to not function right I would love to maybe contact him to see if he can repair it or if he can contact me with someone that can I don't want to bring it to just any jewler
You can send me an email at watchoverhaulchannel@gmail.com, and I'll send you his email. Thanks for watching!
I saw your newest video (and a few others) and during this 2 years it is clear that you learn some things :D I like sometime to repair mechanical stuff (not clocks, various machines, tools etc) and I like to use 2 things, electric brush (one for teeth, but with old tip) and kerosene. Kerosene is great for dissolving oils, grease etc. and also softens up other dirt. It needs to be cleaned with soap or other cleaner since itself is a little oily, but it's a lot easier than removing baked dirt
Yeah, I've learned a lot more, and I think some of my techniques have improved. Hopefully, all of my videos, starting from the beginning, show improvement as time goes on. Thanks for the tips and for watching!
I would have advised against using an abrasive like steel wool on your springs. They're blued and it protects them from corrosion. Having rubbed some of it off, now the steel is less protected. You'll need to keep an eye on it and keep them oiled. You should have just cleaned them with your machine.
I thought about using the ultrasonic cleaner, but I wasn't sure if the heat would mess up the temper on the springs. The mainspring lubricatant I use isn't just a lubricant. It also helps protect against rust and oxidation. The process I use is suggested in the NAWCC forums. I'll look more into it, though. Thanks for watching!
@WatchOverhaul the machine was set to 40 celcius, right? That wouldn't affect the springs, that's just a very hot day in some places. It's just a thought, it's your choice to use abrasives when restoring.
Wow very good video. I like how you are methodical in your approach and solution finding. I will be checking out your other videos. Well done. Cheers
Thank you, and thanks for watching!
I'm so glad you made this video! Today, I will be working on the second clock I've ever tackled, and it is a Seth Thomas Ogee! I especially appreciate your reaming demonstration. Very helpful. Many thanks!
That's awesome you're getting into this hobby! I hope my video helps you. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to reach out. Thanks for watching!
My Grandfather was a machinist thru the 40's - 50's and later in retirement he took on restoring old clocks and other antiques. He had a workshop in his basement where he did all that stuff. We still have some old clocks from then. Unfortunately those 2 clocks are just falling apart. They got moved from the west coast to Florida 30 years ago and the changes in temperature and humidity has all but destroyed them. It's to bad too because they are... well.. were pretty nice. Anyway: he had small lathes and other tools related to machining small parts for that stuff. He did the wood work and all that too. Your doing some nice work sir. Thanks.
Thanks for sharing that. Maybe you can try to fix them up. It's a lot of fun. Thanks for watching!
I really enjoyed the different aspects of restoration you used. The mechanical, the woodworking, the duck bath! I will be back for more...
Thank you! It was a lot of fun working on this clock. Thanks for watching!
Oh yea great job
Thank you!
Thanksgiving Eve ..11/24. Seth thomas also change minute hour hand S -T Initials main 1870s not sure .my case Needs work clock works good.pick up a winsted clock good shape.there was an advertising sticker on glass..probably extremely little use.left sticker on.
Very interesting! Thanks for watching!
Looking forward to watching this later this evening. I have several "Ogee" clocks amoungst my modest collection of these 19th century Connecticut clocks. Thank you for putting this together!
You're welcome! I hope you like the video. This was my first encounter with a clock like this, and it was a joy to work on.
I have to make sure but I believe that I have that same clock from my great grandmother's house. I have 2 old clocks that both need a restoration performed.
That's cool! Maybe you can get them fixed up. Thanks for watching!
Do the pre-cleaning with kerosene before the ultra sound! Rinse with alcohol after to get rid of any water. residue.
I tried using alcohol before, but when it dried, it left behind a thin white film on everything. This is why I use mineral spirits. Thanks for watching!
Well done sir!
Thanks!
Hi, nice video and well done. Just some comments: One job to restaurant old stuff is to eliminate the previous unprofessional attempts to fix it. The old steel pins look like nails. Tapered brass pins are more appropriate for that. The bearing fit is way to loose.
Yeah, unfortunately, what might seem obvious to some can get overlooked by me because of my lack of experience and knowledge. I don't know what I don't know, so ignorance is something I try to improve with each project. Had I realized those pins weren't right, I would have replaced them. Thanks for watching!
A very nice restoration. Your narration was also excellent; very informative at a good pace with pauses here and then. I'm looking forward to future videos as well as your previous catalogue.
Thank you! I'm glad you liked it. Thanks for watching!
These clocks were a common present brought to Sweden by emigrants returning to visit their relatives in "the old country". One can find them in yardsales and auctions in Sweden and Norway. They are called "Amerikaklockor" (American clocks). People were very proud of them and the husband was the only one who were allowed to wind them.
Very interesting! Thanks for sharing and for watching!
I wish you had given us a shot of the whole clock when it was done.
I did have one shot at the end, but I didn't do multiple angles. You're right, though. It would have been good to show more of that at the end. I'll make sure I focus more on that in my next video. Thanks for watching!
Excellent video. Well done. I live in western Connecticut and drive through Thomaston now and then. The old brick factory is still there, although the clock in the video probably pre-dates it. I will look at that old factory building with different eyes now. Thank you.
I'm really glad you liked the video! That's neat that you live so close to the old factory. Thanks for watching!
3:00 My guess is that this is the original dial since all the dimensions and the holes fit perfectly but that it probably was repainted at some point. To verify that I'd look at the back and, from what I can tell, at 3:18 you can see both older paint in the background below the new coat of paint. I would assume that most of the old paint on the front of the dial would have been sanded off but you could always check for surface anomalies with a magnifying glass just in case it wasn't.
I'll take a second look and see. Thanks for watching!
38:22 Could it be that someone had re-varnished the case at some point with a brush? In which case it is either varnish or shellac. Did you check whether the old veneer was covered with shellac or varnish? It might be that the original finish was shellac but subsequent layers of both varnish and shellac were applied. So what is on the glass might be a mixture. Btw I think shellac was used for attaching glass bulbs to their bases (although I might have gotten this completely wrong) in which case shellac would have made for a really strong glue to use on glass.
Yeah, I tested a small area on the case to see if shellac was used. I was leaning towards the glass was extremely dirty at one point, and someone cleaned the glass and smeared caked-on dirt to the outer edges, which subsequently dried into a thin hard film. I also thought it might have been the finish, but I figured the user is more likely to be negligent compared to the manufacturer. Either way, it's all cleaned off now. Thanks for watching!
nicely done!
Thanks!
Thank you so much
👍Thanks for watching!
I was hoping you would replace the clipped nails that held the movement together. They didnt belong there. Normally they would use tapered brass pins for that. Otherwise great work ❤
Yeah, I didn't realize they were nails until after the fact. I wasn't familiar with movements that use pins like this. Had I thought about it, I would have definitely replaced them. Thanks for watching!
Thank you for the demonstration and explaining your process.
Thank you, and thanks for watching!
Lovely restoration, and plus the knowledge you have in these watches.
Thank you, and thanks for watching!
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Thanks for watching!
The brass parts have begun to blue. This is due to heat. You might want to lower the heat a bit to keep this from happening. Those pins that hold the movement together looked like old nails. They should be tapered brass pins.
Ah, good to know. I'm going to lower the heat and the time a bit next time. I wondered if those pins were nails. I guess I should have looked more into that. Thanks for the info and for watching!
The main spring problem with getting the arbor in, the spring is set which robbs the amount of time the clock will run on fully winding, for example, a 30 hour clock would only run 29 hours
Yeah, the springs were really set, which I expected due to their age.
My settings on the ultrasonic is 35 C for 10 minutes and another 5 min. if needed to prevent any discoloring of the brass.
That's good to know. I'll have to tweak my settings next time. Thanks for watching!
Excellent job and video!!
Thank you, and thanks for watching!
Very enjoyable!
I'm glad you liked it! Thanks for watching!
Is that an app you use to get the timing of the clock, or is it an actual machine? You didn't have it listed so I thought I'd ask, nice job though, thank you for taking your time and getting all the details discussed.
Thanks! It's an app, but it's no longer in Google Play. You can email me, and I'll send you the version I have, or you can try play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=lelloman.com.simplebpmdetector. My email is watchoverhaulchannel@gmail.com. These apps are only helpful if you already know what the beat rate of the clock should be. If you need help, just let me know. Thanks for watching!
This was really pleasant video to watch and listen to.
Thank you, and thanks for watching!
Original dial plate, repainted by hand.
Thanks for the info!
That was really good that.
Thank you, and thanks for watching!
When matching veneer shape, try using a piece of painters tape over it, rub it with a pencil, it will transfer the shape on to the tape. I learned that from an antique restorer
That's a good idea! Thanks for watching!
@ beautiful job on the clock too!!
Thanks!
Beautifully done .cheers mate from Australia 🇦🇺
Thank you! 🙂
In the future you may want to try to save as much of the original veneer as possible to use in the really small areas, such as the miter point just to the side of your repair. The repair will be absolutely invisible and true to the original. Most items of this age would have been glued with hide glue. That is easily loosened with a little heat and moisture. Consider using hide glue on your veneer repairs since it is reversable. You don't have to use the flaked stuff there are commercial liquid hide glues available. Painters tape can make a good template for your repair area by rubbing the edges to create a crease, then transfer the tape to the new veneer and cut.
Thanks for the tips! I'll keep that in mind if I have to go through this process again. Thanks for watching!
Nice sympathetic restoration, just repairing obvious damage and bringing back functionality. We'll done. Should give many years of service again.
Thank you, and thanks for watching!
Hello, Sir - I have a type of Seth Thomas with the day and date faces that Lincoln had in the White House. (Also featured in 'Seven Days in May') It has an 1876 patent date and and has worked alright but needs veneer repair and a general tune-up. What would be the ballpark cost to rehab it, etc.?
I'm not sure what someone would charge to do that. I work on clocks for free as a hobby. I have seen prices around $300-400 to have a clock professionally worked on. Then, add the cost of repairing veneer damage on top of that. It can be quite a bit, I would imagine.
I'm delighted that you calculate the ideal beats per minute from the tooth and pinion counts - I've hardly seen any TH-cam clock repairer do that, and I feel it saves a lot of time regulating the clock when everything is back together. Thanks for this video
Thanks! You can also calculate the ideal pendulum length as well, but I haven't shown that yet. It's something I calculate just in case the pendulum length is wrong. Thanks for watching!
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Thanks for watching!
Very interesting thankyou
Thank you, and thanks for watching!
Great job on the clock! I have yet to find an app that will test the calibration of a clock. All the apps are for mechanical watches......
Thanks! I have a link in the description for the app I use for Android. You can also just use a simple beats per minute app, but that kind of app won't show other fancy calibration metrics. Thanks for watching!
Thanks!
Thank you so much! I really appreciate it!
Thanks!
Thanks so much! I really appreciate it!
The dial is original, but it's been very poorly repainted. Your information on the date is correct. Around 1865 is when they changed the labels to Thomaston, but I assume they still had a lot of existing plates which were already stamped with Plymouth Hollow on them, so it likely took a year or two to get rid of all the old stock.
Good to know! I read that this movement is considered a transitional movement during this time. Thanks for watching!
@@WatchOverhaul Very nice restoration overall. It's sad that these clocks have virtually no monetary value anymore unless they are a rare model. I love them anyways and I have about a dozen ogee clocks. I've gotten some for free, others for as little as 20$. Some are in excellent shape, others were complete wrecks.
I watched the whole video twice and learned a lot from your rescue and rebuild of this 1860's OG. She ticks and strikes again thanks to your efforts. Well done.
Awesome! I'm glad you liked it! I put a lot of work into fixing it, filming, editing, etc. I do everything by myself, so it takes a while to get a video ready to upload. Thanks for watching!
That was a beautiful restoration. It does look like to me that the face plate was "restored" at some point, but it still looks old and works perfectly with the clock.
Thanks! Yeah, parts of it look hand painted. Thanks for watching!
Try elma red 1:9, in the ultrasonic, and brakecleaner on the pivotholes, then displace water with IPA, the brass looks like new and totally cleaned , nice work youre doing 😃👍🏻and yes i have evolved from gasoline in a bucket 😂 it was afterall too good to be true 😢
👍 Thanks for watching!