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The ads and sponsors will never be absolutely clear on the 45 degree angle unless the camera is high enough. Usually the enough height is a bird eye view which is not good for spectator experience

Malaysian players has no answer to long pips chop/ block players. Answer is simple, simply heavy chop outside table like choppers

Ph illegal serve, block with body when his bat touches ball, Javen should complain to umpire

I lile the moving 45 angle the most.

They make it so we can't judge how illegal pro's serve are. Not that they are going to care though

I am for the 45 degree angle. I believe the obstruction issue would be mitigated if the cameras are higher. At the same time, though, the sponsorship logos on the floor for a left/right camera option will indeed be a challenge. One possible solution is instead of actually having the logos directly on the floor, use technology to alter the logo position based on whether the left or right cameras are being used so regardless of which one is used, viewers get to see the floor logos in the right orientation.

45!

I like the side angle (14:13) less than the 45 degree angle (8:57,10:00). If they must use the side angle then they should bring the camera closer to the floor as then we can see the vertical movements of the ball better.

Another thing is the audio..... stop using over the top noise gates to make the ball sounds and foot stomps super dry !!!!! A bit of echo or room sound is way more exciting. Listen to the audio from 2017 worlds !!!! It sounds like the game was played in the colosseum !!!!

I like the back high up angle, followed by 45 degree angle. A bit of side is cool if only used a bit. But the main thing is frame rate !!!! Its a super fast game with a tiny ball !!! Hd and frame rate is king !!!

The solution is AI and image processing. The broadcast stream should be processed to optimize for ads/sponsors, regardless of the angle. The physical floor logos should just cater to the spectators at the venue.

I think China is really doing a great job with providing the best angles. I mean a lot of tournaments provided the best 45 degree angle like those from Macao, Chongqing and Xinxiang were perfect. If i have to be honest they also aced the side angle. Side angle is bad but China makes them look good. This shows that the country organizng the event is also important.

When I hear people defending the side angle it makes me cringe so hard. Yes u can have your own personal preference about your favourite angles but please, DON’T TREAT IT AS THE MAJORITY. Lmao it’s so obvious that people who “LIKE” the side angle are the real minority. You go on social media TH-cam, IG FB and everyone is complaining about the side angle. Out of 10 comments about camera angles 9 of them will say they hate it. That 1 who say they like it is the minority and usually very little validations. You hope on Reddit or TTD you can see people discussing about how bad the side angle and not one single thread defending the side angle. Why is that? Cuz it just suck stop living in your delusions!!!! These people defend saying that those people hating the side angle are just yapping cuz the majority of ppl they know have “no issue” with it. Brother there’s a clear difference in “no issue” and “hate”. People who has no issue with the side angle will also have no issue if the matches were showed on the back or the 45 angle. They are fine with basically any angle WTT feeds them even if the cameras were on the floor. But u don’t see that many people hating on the back of the 45 do you? So why suddenly so much hate for the side? Cuz its an awful angle DUH!!!!! WTT has singlehandedly confirm that the side angle was a bad mistake since they switch all angles the the 45 degree accept table 1 like what was mentioned in the video, legal obligations. Heck it would be stupid for the organization to change an angle that “MAJORITY” likes to please the “MINORITY”. The depths that people go to defend a pathetic angle with baseless claims amazes me.

side for strat, low for show

I like the side angle better because it better shows the distance from the table for both players.

Some of the 45 angles shown in this video I really like and feel it is the best for example the one at 0:24, 2:31, 9:01 and 13:36 . But WTT will probably never use these angles as it will never show ads properly. Those from the WTTC are not the best but good enough. Better than the side any day. Hope WTT uses that in the future.

Yes please make the 45 degree angle the default view. I absolutely hate it when WTT finally decides to show us the 45 angle for certain points and it ends up being a let service then they just show the point from the side again. And even if there is no let the point is usually a short and boring point. You can’t know when players are going to play good points so just use 45 angle as the main angle so you don’t miss out any spectacular points!!!!

A hot topic in table tennis! I don't mind the side angle too much as long the replays/highlights show the 45° angle so we can get a good understanding of spin etc.

Thanks for the analysis. Prize money is still number one factor. We need to attract more players or at least parents who think this sport has some future for their kids. This take time and will be a long time. Why China is a dominant force in tt: because the government has long investing in the sport and their athletes even when they are little. In the US it is still a garage sport and not taken as serious. We need more money more tournaments more exposure more tv. If the money is not coming from the government then the big corporations have to step in. Table-tennis is a decicate sport and not so many people know the benefit of it. We are in fact losing out to the newer sport: pickle ball. Clubs are now losing spaces and even players to that sport. We are losing out and becoming an endangered sport. Back to WTT and ITTF: I now watching more tt because of the availibity on you tube thanks to WTT. Before there were only a few international matches showed on tv. So credit that to WTT and WTT contender. Bigger prize Money 💰 🤑 💸 is the solution.

Thanks for an insightful video! I just discovered your channel and have enjoyed the comments on pros and cons here. You have an enthusiastic audience, I look forward to future videos and discussions. Great to see Malaysian players excelling on the world stage also. I can't wait to come back to Kuala Lumpur and see how things have progressed domestically. Personally it feels like WTT has improved the overall professional atmosphere of the sport and marginally increased prize money for the top players, but not enough to be considered a major change, and definitely not enough to keep up with other racket sports. To do that they need to: 1. become popular in English speaking countries 2. players need to be managed by marketing agencies 3. finals must be contested by more than one country, the world needs to somehow catch up to China Changing the camera angle or experimenting with 5/7 games is not going to increase popularity, there isn't anyone watching now anyway. The T2 league and diamond series was created as a testing ground for new and sometimes controversial formats like the time limit, and 5-point showdown in the decider, etc. T2 is now defunct I believe, everyone who worked there in 2017 is now gone including the CEO, and the social media updates have dried up. Safe to say Ultimate Table Tennis won that battle.

Is there any other videos during this WTT star contender?

The unanswerable question is how much worse could viewership have been if WTT had NOT been launched? My consumption of live TT competitions is entirely coincident with the development of WTT starting around the time of Houston 2021 WC. As a Canadian fan of TT, it's hard to imagine a world without the reliable coverage offered by the WTT TH-cam channel..

No player interviews, player highlights, just recording games isn’t going to make the game grow. There’s no personality in the game and they fail to realize this.

From the start of wtt i am way more updated on the international tournaments scene thanks to the app and through you tube i can watch a lot of the action + highlights

The WTT rebranding has really elevated the visibility of table tennis! The new format and modern presentation have attracted a broader audience.

I do not have much concern or notice the change in name from ITTF to WTT. They are the same set of administrators. They have been successful in promoting and encouraging table tennis as a sport at the grassroot level and healthy sport in many many more countries, especially the Middle East, Africa and South America. In the community, table tennis a a cheap sport and can be played even indoors. Moreover, apart from some rough people, playing table tennis is like playing golf and tennis, people are very friendly and do not fight after the win or loss. It is a good sport.

In my opinion WTT has been a step forward for the sport. I don't believe the growth of a sport can be measured in TH-cam views. In recent years we've seen an increase in social media presence of table tennis, from youtube with Pongfinity and Tabletennisdaily to the appearance of Pingpod and increasing posts about park ping pong in the States. Also we've seen increasing technological advances in the sport like AI driven match analysis and VR table tennis. I think the image of WTT being a modern sport has led to this push forward and makes the sport more desirable, even if professional match views are not getting higher. To drive that point home, TH-cam views of specific matches cannot be counted as the growth parameter since the views will be diluted between viewers that saw the live broadcast, the full match and the match highlights, as well as the region locked people that watch them on other sources. Something I absolutely agree with is the lack of crowds. This is due to one thing only: doing important tournaments in random cities. Yes, maybe do a star contender in Durban or Jeddah, that's fine. But doing a Smash or WTTC in one of these cities that are so far from main TT countries is absurd. WTT Frankfurt was amazing to watch last year. This year the tournaments in China and Korea have been really nice as well. The Singapore Smash has been good as well. Please limit the cities these important tournaments are played in. There is a reason Wimbledon is not played in Saudi Arabia but in England.

- I absolutely LOVE the new side angle, it's a much better viewing expriences, more exciting and fast, without obstruction by the players . - I absolutely love the accessibility of the WTT matches and it made me watch infinitely more matches then before, I get familiar with more new players, it's great . - Comparing the views of a video that has been up a few months VS. a video that has been up a few years is SO inaccurate and misleading I would not use it at all. Aknowledging it's "not the best" comparison somewhere in the end is not enough.

Agreed

you cant compare the view to match highight who wasnt live stream and match who are livestream now before highlight people dont go to the video if they have seen it live

I started watching table tennis only 1-2 years ago. But not because of WTT or ITTF, I just started to play and train. As a spectator I have no complaints against WTT format.

Also consider contract conditions between players and WTT. There are complaints from the players that they are forced to play no matter their circumstances, otherwise they will be penalized with points reduced.

There is a player factor in the comparison between ITTF and WTT era: the presence of Xu Xin who showed up 5 times in the list of 10 mid-range viewership. I'm sure many fans reduced or stopped their viewing of TT events following their hero's retirement.

Side angle is better

GTT can you explain to me why the Chinese don’t play certain tournaments like star contender. Is it a rule or just choice. Thanks

TT is one of the most pathetic sport. Low viewerships. for fun play is fine.

The location choices for the smash events are a joke. They should have put them in places that would get a decent size crowd !!! I understand they are hosted in cashed up places for quick easy money but the lack of fans in those areas will not allow the events to build up over time into something similar to 4 tennis slams. I was very excited to see wtt trying to emulate the 4 slams with the proposed 4 smashes. Why not have them in china, japan , Germany ....ect when i see an empty stadium, all i can see is a failed event. Like a band playing in a giant venue to 10 people !!!!!

I think you really missed the con that the amount of video fuck ups by wtt is infinite. We had whole events where the sound was off by a few seconds which made it barely watchable. In others the sound was missing completely, the framerate was capped at 20 or half of the picture was missing. Ofcause they are uploading a lot but minimal quality control would be sick. I think just one more person maintaining the channel could help with huge upload delays when there are big events with loads of matches.

It was at the bottom. Any change was bound to be an improvement. But show the audience! It looks like most of these tournaments are run on a sound stage...

Thank you . I thought I was the only one who hated the side angle

I remember hating the new camera angle so much at first. Now I am used to it but, similar to the other commenter said, I would prefer the older angle. I wonder how badminton and tennis fans would react if their sport decides to make a similar change in camera angle. Both sports are much closer to table tennis in terms of how the game is viewed than soccer... I wouldn't be shocked if most would hate it.

The umpires are very bad. So many illegal serves not called as well as losing track of scores like the men's double finals with wang and liang vs ma and lin

I’m in the US. WTT is still a work in progress but I like it, and it seems to be better than what we had before. There is pro-level action to watch almost every day. There also seems to be more opportunities for players at that level to compete, gain experience, win, and become noticed. There seems to be more opportunities for fans in more parts of the world to watch in person, and meet players. I haven’t heard much about it attracting people who weren’t already table tennis fans, so that’s an area for an improvement. Another area is increasing the prize money, as mentioned. Like other pro sports organizations, WTT is essentially an entertainment business. Hopefully all the events are working out financially for all parties involved.

I think WTT is overcomplicating the situation. They really only need to address the poor camera quality issue, which would solve the majority of the problems table tennis has faced. A bit more effort on the marketing side could also boost viewership. However, redesigning the entire arena feels excessive. The funds used for setting up new courts could have been better allocated, for example, to paying players on time, as mentioned in the video. Many players experience delayed payments. I doubt the new courts have significantly increased spectator numbers, and I also doubt that the classic courts couldn't attract spectators just as effectively.

I love the new accessibility of table tennis tournaments on TH-cam, it has rekindled my love of the sport, the levels are very high now. I also prefer the side view they are using now. A few concerns. 1) the prize money is not enough 2) the tournaments are so close together the players may be burned out and not give their best. 3) the restrictions on TH-cam for some regions suck, I had to get vpn to get around it. 4) I agree the confusing formats do lead to some frustration but the levels of the game is so fun I don’t worry too much about that. Fix the prize money and have more features on the athletes. Great video, thanks. I am from Jamaica 🇯🇲 btw and i used to play in the ittf era. I find the WTT era more exciting, there is always room for improvement but I give credit for what wtt is doing now.

I found the side angle very jarring to begin with. I have got used to it now, and don't mind it so much. It does have its merits; gives a better perspective on length. Having said that, I would prefer the old angle any day. Have to agree with your broader analysis. Don't think WTT has been able to propel the game forward.

1. The video would get better with new tech regardless of organizer 2. The angle sucks 3. WTT events are boring with zero crowd. They could be played in the same warehouse in Doha - no one would see the difference 4. Best of 5 and drawn out tournaments. Why? They have space in the schedule for 7 games. 5. Nothing has really improved, except for the fake prize money

In my opinion, the camera angle is terrible, I quit watching because of the angle. Also, the feeder, contender, smash and whatnot system were really confusing to me at first. I feel like badminton does a better job as the level of the tournaments are clearly indicated as Super 100, Super 300, Super 500, Super 750 and Super 1000. The ranking system is also clearer for badminton. Also, I think wtt social media needs to do a better job in updating the results and next matchup, sometimes i miss out certain big match as I didn't follow closely.

your comparison between the total sum of views of ITTF vs WTT is not that useful as it is not the same to generate 9mio views in 3 years vs 12mio views in 5+years ... when you have more years to accumulate numbers than obviously those numbers should be higher

Agree, I like how WTT made streams so accessible now. Contenders and feeders are great to watch as all matches are on the 45-degree angle. Due to lack of pro players, I seldom watch the feeders unless Malaysian players are playing. The infinity arena matches are slightly more troublesome as you need to turn on a VPN which usually makes the live lags and loads all the time because of slow line. But all and all still great. As a student who is studying away from home, I don't have access to television so I cannot watch those live matches. If TH-cam didn't broadcast it, all I can do is watch the live scores and wait until somebody uploads the highlights. Thank you WTT for this but please, change the angle! 🤣