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Probably not the most ideal way but a lots of 75grain brass insert weights!

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Also, your draw length and poundage is impressive. Most of us redneck folks don’t have that kinda strength or wingspan. Would it be to much trouble to repeat the test as stated in my other comment with the bow set on 70lbs and at a 28-29” draw length? I’m sure many people that fall into those specs would appreciate all the results you are finding in your testing.

Yes, want to back it up to 20 here as soon as I tune my arrows. I stood about 5 feet away because I never shot that heavy of an arrow and wasn’t sure what would happen 😆

@@paulheberling2750 I don’t blame you. I can’t even imagine shooting an arrow that heavy. Did you fill the shaft with sand or something?

Yes, one of many things to come. Have to paper tune arrows still 😐

Yes same weight different distance will be another good test

No need to shoot 80 yards breh!

@paulheberling2750 depends on the type on hunting you do. No need for a 3300 grain log breh!... what's your FPS on that, lol!

@@josefpeters39 exactly, and no need for me to shoot 80+ cuz I ain’t about shooting twizzlers. 😝 haven’t tested the speed on it yet but I wager 130 fps. My 2658 grainer went 143.

@paulheberling2750 cantaloupe at 60, even you should be able to hit that with your linkin log!

@@josefpeters39 maybe, but the arc would be outrageous 😂😂

Draw weight is 76lbs. Draw length is 31. But I think it’s coming in .5” longer

@@paulheberling2750 Fantastic. One point people don’t seem to understand is that heavier pull bows indeed don’t shoot the lighter arrows significantly faster than lighter pull bows, but where the heavier pull comes in is the ability to fling heavy arrows at good speeds.

@paulheberling2750 Dang that's monster KE. Love that you did this test. I shoot 600gr, and that's plenty for whitetail, axis and hogs. It's pretty much all i get to hunt. But I lost a few to the 400gr set up and seen my arrow flagging away with the animal

@@jasonito1723 yeah it was a beast! You can hear the thud when it hit 😂 glad the 600s are working out better 👍

Yes sir!!!

Dude, pro!

Thanks!

It’s the badlands x2. A large. Binos are 10x42

No haven’t had any weird creaking. But mine’s fairly new. Did you take into a local pro shop?

Yeah it’s a beast! Very rough draw cycle

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Yeah not happy about that!

@@paulheberling2750great bow nonetheless

Well yeah because they shot heavy arrows!

@@calebsmith1454 come on bro! We’re testing max penetration not range!

@@lifeoflp4251 😂🤣

@@salvadormurillo2239 yes there is! Believe!

lil bit lol

They work until you hit heavy bone, sure.

@@paulheberling2750 i dont hit heavy bone, the only heavy bones are in the legs and the spine. i dont take crappy shots, only extra high percentage shots. i cant remember the last time i didnt get a clean pass-through with my arrow burried deep in the dirt. maybe 40 years ago when i was little kid shooting 35lbs. if you only take good high percentage shots then you wont hit bones either.

@@yourmomma2995 🤔we’ll see

@@yourmomma2995 physics backs up the heavier arrow

@@bigKANG420 not really, nothing is free. you cant have momentum without velocity.

Bro, that 400 grainer will stop on a deers shoulder, easily. And a quartering to deer is hard to see a lot of the time! I think you could easily wound a lot of deer with arrows that don’t pass thru. You don’t lose deer because of too much penetration. I do agree the jumping the string may be more of an issue. But usually deer go down before they jump and if so, a heavier arrow seems to be better since they drop quicker. Catch my vibes? 😉

​@@paulheberling2750 That is incorrect. I shot a buck at almost 30 yards with a 380 grain arrow traveling 315 fps with a swhacker 1.75" broadhead and it went through the shoulder bone, through the heart into the opposite shoulder bone and both front shoulders were broken. He plowed on his chest and expired. His legs were flopping loose when loading him in the truck. Shot a doe last year and broke the offside leg bone on exit. I break bone with ease with this set-up. I've been bow hunting 51 years now. I've shot slow bows, fast bows, heavy arrows and light arrows and my current set-up is the best I've used by far for whitetails. I have one pin 0-40 yards and the pin never leaves the deer. I will never go back to a heavy slow arrow. If that's what gives you confidence and that's what you want to shoot you should. Confidence is everything but what you said I don't find to be true. I shoot a tuned bow and that is extremely important for penetration.

​@@brokenarrow6491sometimes you get lucky with mechanicals. Why risk it though?

Heavy vs light is like fixed vs mechanical, the argument will never end. For me it’s finding that happy medium. A mid weight arrow (450-650) is ideal. If you take shots 40+, closer to 450 is probably better. If most of your shots are around 20 yards, around 600 gr is an advantage. JMO

@@it_is_finished my thoughts exactly. Split the difference. Unless it's a griz or moose, anything arrow in the 500gr with good foc and a stupid sharp fixed blade broadhead is the way to go. @paulberling2750 has the ranch fairy setup. Which I'm a fan of. Lots of science behind that. If you are an elk guy or western hunter though, 60 yard shots or more may be your best opportunity. Heavier arrows don't lose ke as fast as lighter ones. But slower arrows at that distance are a disadvantages too

I don’t have enough of these heavy arrows to use to sight in my bow to them. They’re expensive to make so I can’t afford to lose any. Hence I shoot so close. Gotta make sure they have the ability to hit all the jugs. But notice the results when we do between light and heavy arrows 😎

My point is you are showing that supper heavy arrows is the way to go. My point is you still get a pass through with the lighter arrow yet you now have the speed to be able to fit it in tighter spots at much more ranges with more forgiveness. Be off by 5 yards with a heavy arrow you miss the deer, be off with that on a light arrow you are off two or three inches. Has to be a balance of speed and weight.

@@mikeftball44 well, personally, I’d rather miss the deer than miss my mark and hit three inches above the lungs and wound the deer. And I’m not saying you have to shoot a 2,658 grain arrow for every hunt. I’m just aiming to show that for maximum penetration the heavier you go, so far, the more penetration you get.

🤔 what chrono you using? Also I had switched strings to gas strings.

Of course 4mm will out penetrate if we using same weight. That’s what I said in my vid. But even then it wouldn’t technically be apples to apples because it’s 4mm not 5mm against 5mm. The extra weight for the 5mm was to counter the smaller diameter the 4mm has over it.

I agree especially with that Particular 5mm arrow because the outside diameter is bigger around then all other 5mm I have see and I also have to agree with the other guy on here with that there is probably a hand full of people that are shooting a 150 spine that's crazy stiff

Yes, I agree 👍

Yeah, wish we could change that.

I need to paper tune my arrows first

I see what you’re saying. Thanks for watching!

@@paulheberling2750 I want trying to make it a criticism of you personally. It’s just something I’ve noticed across the you tube archery community. Keep up the good work

Yeah it’s been an alright broadhead as far as flight and weight. But was surprised when it encountered harder materials..

Thinking about getting me some of that epoxy!

Yes… but that APA has a 26lb draw weight advantage. When you consider that, it’s not that efficient compared to the Omen.

They are impressive. Only thing is I can’t shoot it for more than 3 months before the limbs start splitting 😢

@@paulheberling2750 imk. My buddy has a had a 80# king cobra for few years and shoots alot and hasn't had any issues

@@williambowfishing yeah, my 70lb limbs were fine too.

I love my APA never had any issues with it….. best part is it’s made in Canada

@@Grizzly4790 I wish I never had any issues with it

Yeah I was punching hard here 😂

Agreed. it seems to me that the higher powerstroke really is more efficient than higher draw weight when you compare the grains per pound specs.

@@paulheberling2750 I almost bought an Omen this winter. The thing that scared me off was the low brace height, but that’s where the long power stroke comes from. I got a Darton Prelude instead. I Like it a lot, probably would have enjoyed either bow

@@ryanmarino4230 heard good things about Darton 👍 and yes, the brace height is ridiculously short lol

Good question. One is too short. The other is a touch long but decided to leave to test the speed differences

Yes, very impressive. Didn’t think having a longer powerstroke made that much of a difference but dang. Thanks for watching.

Usually I had the tension set as far back on my wrist as I could get it. And the length of the jaw was set by an Allen screw. So it was pretty consistent

Yeah I shoot with it on sometimes. But usually take it off to make the overall bow lighter.

Watches to much of Troy's shit..

@@jonathantrumpower9316💯👍

The penetration power is insane. I like to try and see how heavy we can go