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@@juanjesustorressalcedo780 yeah I know that feeling. It sucks to have to set call of the abyss and then mark something so taking multiple turns before you can start snowballing

How about using Frenzy Potion to get a Attack + mark into Round 1? Use Call to the Abyss Initiative and a big move bottom like Lingering Rot. A spent Iron Spear could hit two targets, in magical Christmas land you could get one kill & a mark out. I did a melee focussed Deathwalker and enhanced the moves up to Move 4 to trigger Horned Helmet.

There's a few mid to late game items that speed them up but early you're relying on teammates for damage mitigation support and helping you get the first kill. I'm not a fan of the class because of that but it sure does scale well once the party gets it over the hump As far as changing rooms goes, the summon is kinda sneaky good for this. It runs forward and gets the marking started without you having to spend precious actions dragging everything over. Also depends on allies to keep it alive for a couple of turns though.

@@MarcusAZ2022 nope that’s the only one. I’m just importing the item from my other campaign cause I really wanna use it

@@lobstorman that’s a good point. Basically nothing is as valuable as invisibility even though I don’t really plan to ever get very close. I really like the loss top on both of them too. DW just has too many good cards

@@johnpeterson3386 unfortunately I probably won’t get to try it with lucky dice. If I did however I think I would skip the rolling modifiers entirely and would probably do my best to stack the deck before using them. I could do 4 attacks with wave of anguish with power potions and use the glorious bracelet double bless after the 4th and then lucky dice the 5th attack. Or, lucky dice could always be saved for a major frenzy potion or something like that when the AMD is really thin. The rolling disarm is nice but it comes with that nasty rolling muddle, and if I’m gonna crit everything I don’t need disarms anyway! I will be adding the +2 darks so most likely a 20 card AMD with just 4 0s

@@ucgxanathos2171 Noone will know you if offscreen reorder the outpost deck *wink wink* Though it would have to be after a recent shuffle since you just showed us its far down

@@MarcusAZ2022 I agree the class has over preformed my expectations, but part of me thinks you’ve only seen the first room of this one. Drill and DW and Banner dominated the level I played this morning

@ Yup, just opened the first door. I will see how the rest plays out! Also, definitely hoping you eventually unlock Shards in this campaign. Definitely want to see how they play!

@@peterkay3686 yeah my Gloomhaven brain initially thought Call to the Abyss + Strength was too many losses too early on into scenarios but I tried it to get the mastery and fell in love. Also I’m excited to get to try 2 starting classes together in a way that can’t be done at the beginning of a campaign

@@asmallemu3801 yeah it’s a really satisfying formation to pull off. I hadn’t even considered DWs summons which is funny because I used to always tell my Boneshaper friend to move and summon behind me!

@@ladasse it’s Tabletop Simulator on Steam

Yep, all attack patterns like that can be mirrored. So either a regular S shape or a dyslexic person's S

@@ucgxanathos2171 great thanx i did not know this rule, and make WW so much more useful

@@jeremyfrentz9506 hey “everything dies too fast” sounds like a good problem to have but I can see your point

It was nice in the first fight but keeping dw fed early tended to pay off later. Pretty good chance it's just not relevant at your difficulty with 3p instead of 2p

@@ryanhoffman4998 there are 2 ways to save. With the skull token you need to right click it and save it as an object. Them in the white menu up top you click objects and it will be in there. Other way is using that white menu you click on “games” and then save/load. This lets you create a manual save just like the auto saves if you have those on. For me when I use those saves it messes with my card quality so I do the skull save

@@johnpeterson3386 very true I had never considered it but that’s probably a really good combo on a couple characters

@@johnpeterson3386 definitely possible. Using the 50 initiative double pressure up could allow for an extra over pressure turn per rest cycle. It’ll take a bit to get the hang of but after last night I’m excited for the class

@@Watchfresh-bl thank you thank you that is SOOO much better. You can sort it by item number which puts all the craftables before the purchasables too!

@ucgxanathos2171 Oh, Huge! Glad I could help

@@peterkay3686 just wait for the 4 hour long tier list where I talk about every class. I actually already started working on it (barely) but it won’t be done for months until I’ve played shards

@@dallintalbot539 well you need 2 cards in discard for those which you only would have if a scenario effect caused you to discard. Can still use it to just recover 1 card which is worth a turn when you start with 9. But I think setting up 3 cards on turn 1 is probably more valuable

@@ucgxanathos2171 You right. Super interesting to see the options for turn 1, you can go for stamina, or super heat transfer to set up red pressure for turn 2 or set up 3 cards for the next turn as you said.

@@larspedrovillinger2385 oh yeah we’ll get there eventually. I love snowflake

@@MarekPaarek interesting about +1 for drill. I’ve looked through all the cards and nothing particularly stood out to me as being super busted, but also frosthaven classes are way too difficult to assess without actually playing them

@ it starts to sing at level 5 when you get radiation, which allows you to make a decent attack and get you from orange to red as a top attack action. The AMD is pretty strong too. Once you get to higher levels and get the gauge down it’s pretty easy to be able to pull off Heated Drill and/or Steel Piston bottoms. Also don’t disregard Processing top into Bronze Plating bottom. It gets you to red, allowing you to do a powerpotioned top red action. Especially on rest cicles with odd amount of cards. The payoffs at later levels are Scalding Blast and Piston Barrage. The class then completely changes at level 9 with Unstable Core. But at no point do you feel like you are doing something of a 10/10 busted turn. You just keep pulling of a solid 8/10 turns every turn and slowly drilling (haha) through the scenario.

@@tvrizzle1 there is a “reduced randomness” setting that removes both misses and crits replacing them with -2 and +2 respectively

@ ahh! That’s cool!

@@johnpeterson3386 you’re definitely right obstacles in that room would have been amazing. I am fond of the invis cloak, what chest do you run on pyro?

@@ucgxanathos2171 Invis Cloak is always great, but I use Cloak of Many Pockets. Infusion for instant element, then terrain/obstacle stuff, power/muscle after level 7 or so when you start to have lots of actual attacks. Also, the Weighted Net is a useful 2 handed weapon for immobilizing. Slippery Sword also works pretty well for Meteor, but your Gauntlet has been clutch! :D

@ that’s just mean to bring up cloak of pockets when I’ve been struggling so much for herbs!!

@@MarcusAZ2022 yeah the 3 biggest problems are loot not being automated, and it being slower to determine monster turns, and the biggest is it taking forever to reset attempts because I have to reset the cameras every time. I really wanna do a segmented run so that I can get a free retirement from “loot 5 different types of herbs” in just 3 levels which is completely unviable RTA. Also the organization of items is wayy worse in FHE than assisted. Also now that I have more experience with PiP I think if I were to try on assisted I could get both characters shown which isn’t possible in FHE with how character mats are spaced. So at least for now assisted is the way faster version

@@ucgxanathos2171interesting. I wonder if they will fix those items over time. In the meantime I will watch any of the FH stuff I can get. Will also check out some of this speed run. I used to watch a bunch of the OOT speed runs, this seems like a cool game so far.

@@MarekPaarek that’s a good idea

@@MarekPaarek agreed. Luckily this scenario doesn’t require any attacks!

@@johnpeterson3386 erupting rage sounds really fun with Fist’s 9. I really wanna try the lvl 9 calamity for the bottom that seems really good to me. I DO really want the energizing baton. I was looking at the “unlock everything” excel sheet last night and saw it’s locked away behind the other path. I’m still gonna use it. Other playthrough unlocked it so it’s good enough for me. I also learned looking at that excel sheet that you need to have the “into the forest” achievement in order to play 33 and 39 which means my speedrun route didn’t actually have access to it. I think I have to change the first retirement of the run from a Drifter to a Geminate which is interesting

@@ucgxanathos2171 Calamity is a strong bottom, and the top can just "win" a few scenarios. Cinder lance bottom is very good, and also gives you a reliably late initiative which is somewhat of an issue for Meteor.

yeah on turn 2 it should have. Only resulted in 1 damage onto automaton so wouldn't have made much difference

@ turn 1 when you used horn of command as well! Might have been able to use the element it generated for something. Regardless, I’m down if you ever want to upload the losses as well! The more uploads the better for me!

@ yeah I just didn’t see much point in this one cause the first room happened basically exactly the same and I just instantly lost as soon as I opened the door

@@ucgxanathos2171I also just realized that the orphan heals the orb, so that would make the skeleton attacking even more useless. 😂

@ yeah that’s why it didn’t trigger in my head to focus it cause the plan was basically ignore it so that special 1 was useless until everything else was dead

@@jeremyfrentz9506 yeah forcing all the movement in one direction and then just moving one hazard to switch things around while your party is complete immune to them is crazy

Would have sworn it was a blinkblade with the perk. They just look so similar

@@johnpeterson3386 I always loved using those blades. So strong on cragheart who feels like he can’t stub his toe without accidentally making leaf

@@vslimes lol thanks

yeahhhh, kinda one of those things I knew in the back of my head and just figured I'd play dumb about at the time :p

@@MarcusAZ2022 probably the summon

@@ucgxanathos2171it also seems like the bottom of the level 9 summon would be great for bone ball. Just create so many skeletons without having to worry about HP.