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@@nathanc6450 I started going down the formula route because I already had the F4 car from a deal. I’ve not switched to road cars and prefer it a lot more

I would say the next step is Ferrari Challenge but it is a lot tougher and aggressive to drive than the MX5s.

I get your point but they do add new cars/tracks if you just pay the subscription. The latest dev log looks like a BMW M2 is coming next year at no extra cost.

@TheDirtyLime how many of them can you actually race on multiplayer? Is getting M2 for 100 dollars subscription considered a good price? They are ludicrously expensive, and they get away with it because they are the only ones doing full racingsim game (ACC is GT only and closer to semisim, rfactor is just dead). Then again, its not the best sim game all around, the netcode is terrible, for the price you should get world leading quality all around, but launching a free car from time to time seems enough to keep the crowd happy. On their webside they say they have 275 000 users worldwide. Its either bullshit or they get 27,5 milion dollars a year on subscription plus each of them propably bought at least a couple of track and cars. You can get to Mars with that budget, but best they can offer is a 15 dollars single car dlc. And maybe tire rework every 10 years.

Yea and most have spend 5 times that amount on their depreciating rig already. So it is not that expensive when you consider the fact that you are getting the singular best online racing sim.

@@jasonsitu It's pretty much a scam tho. I got ledenon and it was used in 2 races or something the first season ? Like in a gt4 / falken. next season it was NOWHERE to be found. Literally not a single race. The season after (6 months after release) made it free with no refunds :) 15 USD + taxes rip off.

@@Kpaxlol I see your point. Paying for a low usage track and have it go free stings. But relative to all other grown up hobbies, IRacing is very cheap. I don't play golf but went out with my coworker once. I spent 200+ dollars for 4 hours of fun. I have 10s of hours of fun for every track I spent money on and it is only 12 bucks. The online aspect of IRacing is bar none and I'm willing to put up with some BS because I do believe they put the funds to good use.

@@AlexeiWatson you can do test drive whenever you want, with the content you bought.

@Jehud you can? How? Like I said I'm new to it, but when I had a click around I couldn't see how without hosting a server

@@AlexeiWatson on iRacing UI, there's a TEST DRIVE button on the top left. There you can select the car, track and conditions of your race. You can do just test drive or set up a racing.

@@Jehud that's pretty funny... Well, disregard a lot of my complaint then haha! Thanks :)

@@AlexeiWatson Just a tip: choose the series you like the most and see which tracks are most common. E.g: I like GT3 and Porsche cup. At the beginning of each season, I see the tracks for the season and see the last 3 seasons (GT3 and Porsche cup). Sometimes iRacing includes a track that is not often used, like Jerez, Magny Cours etc. but Road Atlanta, Road America, Spa, Sebring, Daytona etc are always racing on those series.

If you have them downloaded, you can try the cars on tracks you own during server maintenance

@@yurilopes420 I think the subscription model makes sense and allows for live content and continuous improvement. Buying the individual cars and tracks on top of it is just ridiculous.

@jenHry-ng3pw okay that's a very valid argument. as a live service game, that's not supposed to have sequels, yeah, that's a nice strat I wouldn't mind the paying for each, cause like, idk it's like dlc, but fuck me, 15 per?? I'd accept like 1 buck per pack of 3 or something.. 15 per is wild, unacceptable edit: I'm broke, btw 😂 but still

See, thats the thing, if it was that objective, this wouldn't even be a conversation. AC is leaps and bounds more unrealistic in almost every sense than iRacing. Now to the average gamer/racer, that's probably not going to matter a whole lot, but things like accurately laser scanned tracks and cars are something that AC doesn't have, so obviously there's no comparison there to the amount of money iRacing spends to the amount Kunos spent on AC. ACC is where it gets a bit more shaky, but even then, as someone who despises GT racing (i enjoy watching, not driving) what does ACC offer me? Sure, they have laser scanned tracks and cars, but you're stuck with only GT and 22 tracks in total. iRacing has 120+ tracks and every sort of vehicle under the sun that you could think of driving. Factor in that a laser scan of a race track costs on average $3-400k and you can see where only having 22 circuits, over the course of a few years, Kunos can make up that difference in sales. With 120 tracks and more being added all the time, because its live service, iRacing can't rely on "initial sales" to drive the cost of their new content. So yes, I see you're point 120%. To the average consumer, iRacing is an absurd waste of money, and i would legitimately turn anyone away that isn't serious about sim racing. A laser scanned track and car compared to a model isn't going to make or break anything in terms of how the average person feels about the game. iRacing isn't gunning for the average consumer, though. They're clearly aiming for people who take it very seriously, and that's okay, too.

One thing I forgot to mention is that as you see iRacing enter the simcade market, you're seeing the savings from the cost of iRacing being passed on to their other projects. NASCAR 25 will likely cost $70 next year base price, no sub, and because iRacing has done and paid for all of the scans necessary, you aren't going to have to pay for individual content in that game. They will have all the real scans because iRacing already has access to it. I wanna be clear, im not just defending iRacing for charging out the a**, but there's reason behind it and its not just blatant madness.

Touché, I use my phone in between races so I wanted something that could just work as a DDU.

Probabaly you need to put that into perspective: 1) Don't Rate Software Prices by other Software's Prices. The Development-Cost differs very much by a quite large margin. 2) In my Opinion considered iRacing is actively developed for so long already and still shows no signs of being shutdown, its not that expensive. 3) Most people are upset by software prices as they feel they dont get anything for it. On the other hand, most Hardware is massively overpriced (Especially Rigs). But somehow most ppl. tend to spend 2-5k for their Hardware, but aren't event willing to spend $500 for their software to run the hardware. Considered Software is just that much harder to build than any Hardware could ever be, thats pretty rude to say "its so expensive". 4) in my opinion, software-prices decreased more and more, so that most games arent even able to run off their sales prices. Therefore games prices are not a good reference for price in general, as the competition is just way tighter, than anywhere else.

@i.am.revolve 1) if you costs are twice or x3 as high as the competition, while the product is not better the same amount, you are doing something wrong. 2) I'll give you that, and then take back the subscription alone is not too expensive, which still leaves all the bonus costs for other content. 3) one wrong doesn't justify the other, and at least you permanently own hardware and can resell it once you don't need it anymore 4) kinda what I said in 1) At the end it's just your and my opinion. Too expensive for me, alright for you and thats okay

@@ghosto_o797 Yeah sure, all fine :) Its just a thing you hear all day as a software developer, so as its my job i just want to remind people that software costs around millions while hardware is pretty cheap to develop ^^

@@ghosto_o797 they run black friday sales at least, ypu can get a year for 55 or 2 years for 100 dollars

@@i.am.revolve hardware costs the company per item, while software you "develop it" once and sell copies of it( or as being done in iracing just a permit to use a copy of it for some time), and if you count the power used to run the servers as a running cost, then the factories also need power to continue operating.

They’re so rare, it seems like no one races with them 😔

@ one of my favourite cars, since it’s similar to my IRL car that I currently drive (on dirt) and similar to the one I will drive on asphalt c:

@@TheDirtyLime this is not true. If you can race between 18:00-22:00 GMT the you will get decent Clio races, especially 20:00 Wednesdays.

@@justagermangamer101 mate my w**d habit costs more a year than this does lol, people moan that it’s expensive and then are out at the weekend doing blow and h***ers

I know people mock the graphics but they’re not that bad in reality 👍

Don’t act like he used that $1300 printer to do this and then thrown it away 😂 And finding something expensive is relative and the same could be done work a $300 printer

@@Bambeakzok so you still add $300 to the cost of his project duh still not under $100!

@@sparrow6ix710 has nothing to do with moza being native to china 🤣

Has nothing to do with moza being native to china 😂

@@SIMRIG412 i bought my r16 and gs for 550usd shipping included.

@@LovelySimRacing thank you 🙏🏻 very appreciative of the Lovely Dashboard, I use it almost everyday on iRacing.

@@biosec9361 thank you! I’ve not gotten into any Arduino projects yet, not sure if I’m smart enough haha 😅

@@TheDirtyLime it's not too bad! Simhub auto programs them as long as you choose modules compatible with simhub it's as simple as running the wires to the right numbered pins on the arduino and then enabling it in simhub where it programs the arduino with your settings. I've been considering making videos doing some tutorials on it, there aren't many out there. I used old Xbox 360 controller vibration motors for my pedals, it's one of my favorite mods, and was pretty easy. I did find a good video on that.

The wheel and base are the same unit for $249 but they have a separate bundle for $329 which comes with pedals and desk clamp. That’s still pretty cheap for what you’re getting in my opinion.

@@TheDirtyLime oh Nice