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Eat Cured Meat
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All about meat curing, charcuterie & smoking
Meat Curing at Home in Your Regular Fridge
This video goes through techniques (2 methods) on how to salt dry cure meat at home, with minimal equipment.
It details the salt process, curing, hanging, drying, and methodology.
I've written an in-depth article also on the subject, which you can find here - eatcuredmeat.com/dry-curing/how-to-cure-meat-in-a-fridge-without-modifying-it/
It details the salt process, curing, hanging, drying, and methodology.
I've written an in-depth article also on the subject, which you can find here - eatcuredmeat.com/dry-curing/how-to-cure-meat-in-a-fridge-without-modifying-it/
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Everyone is Making FAKE Bacon - Real Bacon EXPLAINED
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I've pinned below a link to an ebook on cold smoking, which will help you get into the REAL bacon (yes, it's my opinion!). But once you make the effort, its next level epicness.
Salami Making - WINS and FAILS - Good, Bad and the UGLY
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My online charcuterie course is perfect for someone wanting to learn how to make dry cured meats at home: eatcuredmeat.com/whole-muscle-meat-curing-course/ Hope it's helpful - Tom
Unlocking the Secrets: Easy Cold Smoking Setups for Home Mastery
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For a details guide on cold smoking, check out this video I did: th-cam.com/video/rzf67fzOA9Y/w-d-xo.html As mentioned in video, here is an article I wrote on smoking woods: eatcuredmeat.com/bbq-hot-smoking/how-to-match-pair-smoking-wood-for-flavor-to-meat/
What STOPS 95% of HOME COOKS from Curing Meat
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Details about Meat Curing (LONG VID) th-cam.com/video/hy2SzkE2VqI/w-d-xo.html If you want more info on Meat Curing or Smoking - check out my site www.eatcuredmeat.com
Quick Mortadella Making Video - LESSON LEARNT
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For further steps and recipe: eatcuredmeat.com/making-authentic-mortadella-at-home/ If you want more info on Meat Curing or Smoking - check out my site www.eatcuredmeat.com It's all about charcuterie, smoking and brining.
My FAVORITE Tools for CHARCUTERIE
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In the video, I mention meat slicers - here is an article I wrote: eatcuredmeat.com/dependable-gear/meat-slicers/ If you want more info on Meat Curing or Smoking - check out my site www.eatcuredmeat.com It's all about charcuterie, smoking and brining.
Up to 5 Year Dry Cured Meat Magic - Charcuterie Fridge Meat Tour
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After a few decades of practice, here is a showcase of some of my cured meats. Part I - thinking about showing you my friends large charcuterie den where we have out sausage, salumi and salami fests! I write, teach, and have a hardcore passion for meat curing and charcuterie. Hope you enjoyed watching me eat. All the best, Tom
Simple Cured Smoky Bacon NO SMOKER NEEDED!
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I've done every method of bacon making, this is the simplest, easiest, that anyone can do. I want to help people get into curing their own meat. Use a good quality liquid smoke for the best flavor. My video bacon course, if you want to go in-depth! - eatcuredmeat.com/every-bacon-style-course/
TIPS for Smoking with PELLET TUBE SMOKER
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If you want more info on Meat Curing or Smoking I've got a site. In the video I mentioned some links to smoker tubes I like: eatcuredmeat.com/dependable-gear/backyard-smokers/pellet-tube-maze-smokers/ If you want to read an article on how to use a pellet tube smoker: eatcuredmeat.com/how-does-a-smoker-tube-work-cold-or-hot-smoking-guide/
7 DAY DRY AGING FISH - (New Zealand Kahawai - Aussie Australian Salmon lol)
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Quick Video trying the technique with a very unde-rated fish, that is plentiful around New Zealand. Can't wait to try this with many other species! Review I wrote: eatcuredmeat.com/can-the-steakager-pro-40-be-used-for-charcuterie/ It's all about charcuterie, smoking and brining.
Online Bacon Course Video
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my passion site: eatcuredmeat.com Here is the link to my online bacon course courses.eatcuredmeat.com/ultimate-homemade-bacon-online-course
Quick Tips on Cold Smoking Bacon & Meat at Home
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Support the content I create: My online BACON course is perfect for someone wanting to learn how to make dry cured meats and cold smoking: eatcuredmeat.com/whole-muscle-meat-curing-course/ @eatcuredmeat
CRUCIAL FEATURES - for a Deli/Meat Slicer for THIN CUTS (WAFER THIN!)
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I've written quite a bit on the game-changing aspects of deli slicers on my blog..... eatcuredmeat.com/dependable-gear/meat-slicers/ If you want more info on Meat Curing or Smoking - check out my site www.eatcuredmeat.com It's all about charcuterie, smoking, and brining.
Ideas for Your Meat Curing & Charcuterie at Home
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Different Portable Smokers eatcuredmeat.com/dependable-gear/backyard-smokers/portable-smoker/ Easiest Smokers to Use eatcuredmeat.com/what-are-the-easiest-smokers-to-use/ Some Charcuterie Ideas for a Beginner eatcuredmeat.com/some-charcuterie-recipes-for-beginners-meat-curing-smoking/ How to Cold Smoke Meat and other foods at Home eatcuredmeat.com/how-to-cold-smoke-the-complete-guide/ How to Cu...
POWER OF SALT ON MEAT- Salt Preserves and SEASONS
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POWER OF SALT ON MEAT- Salt Preserves and SEASONS
EVERY WAY POSSIBLE Meat Smoking TOPIC DEEP DIVE
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EVERY WAY POSSIBLE Meat Smoking TOPIC DEEP DIVE
Guide to Drying and Curing Meat at Home in Detail
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Guide to Drying and Curing Meat at Home in Detail
Arcos Prosciutto Knife Review (for Wafer Thin!)
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Arcos Prosciutto Knife Review (for Wafer Thin!)
Smokai Smoke Generator Review - Cold & Hot Smoking
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Smokai Smoke Generator Review - Cold & Hot Smoking
Beginners Introduction to Cold Smoking Meat & Food
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Beginners Introduction to Cold Smoking Meat & Food
Its such a pleasure watching you with such a depth of gastronomy science ...Great job
Just got the course! Do you have, or do you plan to have a print copy of the guides available for purchase?
Awesome thank you. It's something that could be done in deed
I kike my bacon less salty so im doing 2.2% total salt, aubtracting my .25% from the amount of kosher salt all by weight. Any issue with that?
I work in the meat industry (Inside Sales Manager, Wenda Ingredients) and can tell you that we are in dire need of educational videos such as this, formulating, ingredient education, etc. I frequently travel to UW-Madison for continuing education and processors from the largest you can think of down to butcher shops have no idea where to go for educational resources!! Keep it up.
thanks appreciated a lot! If you send me a list of ideas, I can work on it :-) Always like to get topics that need addressing - All the best, Tom
nice im doing some venison and pork like this this weekend cant wait thanks for the tips
Awesome! Thanks for tuning in, Tom
Dear sir i allready asked in a previous video of you but not sure if the comments are getting trough. But i wanted to ask you if you can send me the recipe from the hungarian sausage you use. Would really apreciate it. Keep up the good work really like you website and your take on the curing meats. As someone allready said and i agree very underrated channel!
I did see it and responded :-) hope that helps! Tom
I wanted to ask if you have a recipe or something for the hungarian sausage. That you mentioned i believe it is sort of cold smoke and hot smoke dry sausage ready to eat.
Hey! nope not hot smoked - just 2% salt, 1% quality hungarian paprika, 0.2% garlic dried, 0.1% cumin, small casing -salami, stuffed then 3 x 5 hr cold smokes, hang and dry for 50 days will add to recipes section on blog in the next few months!
Thanks mate
Thank you to for your interest ! Tom
Thanks for the info. Cold smoking is tricky. It’s an anaerobic environment which can breed toxins like botulism. I think it’s important to state that proper curing is essential for cold smoking.
it's an interesting craft; I've looked at the case of botulism across the US. It's fascinating that cured meats are nearly not on the statistics, apart from canning meat or fermenting indigenous practices, which are the majority. Cheers Tom
Can you do a video on smoking a Kahawai?
Sure! but I often just sprinkle salt and sugar, dry out in fridge overnight and carefully smoke in a portable direct heat smoker - here is the trout ver. of the same technique! eatcuredmeat.com/bbq-hot-smoking/cured-and-hot-smoked-trout-recipe/
Enjoyed the video mate! As I am on a carnivore diet, what are the consequences of me dropping everything but salt? Also, can I flavour my cures with whiskey/brandy/rum etc.?
Hey thanks, Im not a dietian, but yeah use booze for flavor if you want! smoky burbon!
Really good video thanks Maybe a bit outside scope - but as someone with a penicillin allergy do you think that would be a concern?
Dont have qualification to answer that my friend! All the best Tom
@ totally fair enough thanks anyway :) I’ll find out another way
Thanks for watching/supporting!
Just found your channel. Will try soon !
Hey thanksz appreciate support , Tom
Looks great
Thanks! I was in Bologna the other day talking to president of mortadella, it's crazy to think this has 800 years of history (although it was a dry cured salami, rosetta - then morphed into this cooked giant emulsified sausage!) Cheers Tom
Couldn’t you just vacuum seal the meat and throw it in the freezer until you’re ready to cook it?
Yep, unless you want to preserve it without a freezer. Oh and also intensify and flavor through the curing and drying which can take months or years. My opinion, is this is a meat consumption process that is way beyond cooking it. Losing moisture slowly and acidic reactions create complex flavours.
@@eatcuredmeat The only meat I do anything with is Deer meat. So I first dry age it for a few days and then cut off all that stuff and then process it however I plan on eating it such as bratwurst, jerky, burger etc..
@@stangssoftwash awesome! thats not salt dry curing, that's dry aging (aka lactic acid breaking down the muscles), but isn't what dry (salt) curing is.
Andre Tate in an apron.
not sure if thats a diss or complement? Thanks for writing something!
You noticed the dark ring around outer layer? That is because the outer layer of the meat dried too quickly and it will not permit center of the meat to dry causing it to eventually rot in the long run, or to have holes because it remains raw (i learned that the hard way). That is why you need humidity+temperature+airflow control in the fridge. I tried making one dedicated fridge at home, some products came out well, some didn't mostly because of my incompetence, but it is definitely doable. 👍
Yep. I mention case hardening alot in my articles and courses. For this type of project, it's imperative, I've found to use less than 250 grams, like what I say in the vis. Kindest regards, Tom
Brilliant video! Too much useful info to absorb in just one viewing!
thanks! too much better then not enough 🙂
I love cured meats of all kinds! I subscribed after first video, so much to learn. So here’s a question, maybe a dumb one. With the bacon specifically, is it slice and eat or do you still need the cook it?
Thanks appreciated! Got alot ore videos on the way, when I get the time to edit. It depends! If making a dry cured pancetta (not bacon), then drying to 30%+ - slicing wafer and eating is good to go. Dry cured bacon is often not dried out as much, because you want some water/moisture left in it - it's cooked. Technically, you could jus tkeep drying the bacon, then slice and eat too. Cheers, Tom
Are there disadvantages with burning the fines from a carpentry belt sander? They burn really well in my barrel smoker.
Can't see why, I've sometimes avoided chainsawed wood due to the lub/oil from saw.
Bought the course. Thank you!
@@blazingarrows6117 thanks! Appreciate the support . All the best. Tom
You have gained a sub.
thanks !
Anyone else watching videos like this in case the apocalypse starts
Better can those skills sorted, before you don't have youtube access anymore :-) Thanks for watching, Tom
119 ministries TH-cam watch the video called the Sabbath day. Test everything
I assume that when you give figures for "pounds per day", you mean, "days per pound". This is confusing.
Yep sounds good, these free videos I put out can be challenging! Cheers Tom
From my experience, cheap equipment is very expensive. I get irritated when I see a video reviewing say, "the best chamber vacuum packing machines" ... and it's one piece of garbage after another..... Not even looking at the real manufacturers.... (Ahem... Turbovac) Once I suggested someone look at a Hobart slicer and they replied that they cost so much... I asked how many slicers they wanted to buy over the next few years... and how well they wanted it to work. There seems to be a desire to have "something, now". Better to wait and buy quality. I'd rather have a 20 year old Berkel than a brand new Vevor... I inherited a 50+ year old Canadian made 30 qt floor stand mixer that works like new. I have a 40 year old vacuum packaging machine made in Holland, with a German pump... works like new. Do they cost 2 or 3 times as much as the junk... yes... will your grandchildren be using them... yes. As for new tech it can be more difficult to find well made products, but I do have a Hanna PH meter, (made in Europe) and it's excellent. Personally I didn't find mine drifts very much. Scales are difficult. I still have one American made deli scale. I was new in 1984. It handles up to 20kg and still accurate to 1g. I don't know of a digital scale of this quality still being made It's getting more and more difficult to invest in good tools... Reviews are tainted or at least uninformed.... my best advice is to call customer support, BEFORE YOU BUY. If you can speak to a human..... that's a good sign. Another good idea is to go to a restaurant or deli or butcher... (a good one) Look at what they're using..... Get that. Yes, it's more expensive... and there's a reason they pay for it. Because it's cheaper to buy good machines
Thanks Joe, good advice. It's a minority that looks to buy for longevity, that's what I've noticed. For what I write up, I've got to talk about several options, but I've got to re-write and talk about the gear that's lasted decades. Can't beat that Sirman Mirra whether it's 25 years old or brand new! Ciao Tom
I have a question can I cold smoke by a device like vape/pod system using oak oil to smoke to smokehouse
Vapor and cold smoke are very different I think. Compounds making up smoke would is very different, never tried. Report back please 🙏 Kindest regardsz Tom
@@eatcuredmeat thank you. I’m planing to start up with beef sticks with cold smoking for flavor and sous vide for cook. The reasons I choose this technique is control temperature easily and less emission compared to traditional way. Do you think it is a possible idea?
Great vid! I would like to cold smoke meats (steak, pork). I would like to use a Weber Smokey mountain smoker, roughly 85 degrees. Roughly 18 hour smoke time. If I have adequate oxygen in the smoker, does that mean I do not need to salt cure before smoking? Or, is it always a good idea to cure all meats (steak, pork) before cold smoking at 85 degrees for 18 hours? If salt curing is necessary I would like to try Natural (no nitrites): Sea Salt and Celery powder (or celery salt). Rub all over meats. Let dry out in salt and powder for 1 to 2.5 weeks in the refrigerator. Does the amount of salt and celery powder or celery salt matter? Then smoke 85 degrees, 18 hours. Test air flow in Smokey. Danger is if low oxygen or no oxygen. Test by placing a candle in Weber for 30 minutes. If candle stays lit, there is enough oxygen, and thus, not in danger for bacteria growth. Thoughts? Is this plan safe?
85 is a very warm..... cold smoke I prefer about 30 deg less in Fahrenheit. For cured meat recipes, defintely salt curing is the way. Here is some other articles/info that might help - eatcuredmeat.com/dry-curing/methods-on-how-to-cure-meat-with-salt-with-pictures/ eatcuredmeat.com/dry-curing/which-salt-for-meat-curing-a-full-breakdown/ th-cam.com/video/hy2SzkE2VqI/w-d-xo.html
Cold smoked bacon is the best hands down but it may not have as much color please try before you dismiss this out of hand
I love both, thanks for watching, color I've found can come from meat (I've seen orange fresh orange meat from pecan feed pigs on a farm!) or wood can influence color too from my experience, ciao Tom
check out the smokai site, woodchips or wood pellets
You did'nt talk about kind of wood it consumes...
sure - wood pellets or wood chips, its on the smokai website all the info- -
Excellent tutorial 🎉 Thank you
thanks so much! encouragement, more videos to come. I prefer going into the detail rather then skipping the meat! :-) Tom
@eatcuredmeat it was very helpful. Personally the details allow me to really understand and therefore change methods to suit my own preference 🎉
I'm also curious about cold-smacking beef or pig intestines. Have you ever tried it?
Do you meant salt cured and dired/cold smoked? yes! Pig intestines are often used for the casings, havent tried/heard of cold smoking them separated. Although, that does give me an idea to cold smoke the casings before making the salami, never heard of that! :-) Tom
Tripes?
😂 I am trying to build an electric oven smoker just like the red one which is why I am looking for a smoke generator!
Nice! oven is a cool setup to use, cheers Tom
thankyou, you are amazing
You are amazing too!, especially giving me such kind words! All the best, Tom
I have no idea what the hell you are complaining about... Fake Bacon?... so you have TWO TYPES of bacon products... nothing "fake" about either one... I can boil an egg hard, poached, scrambled, fried or ?... but it's still A REAL EGG... I can cook a ham several different ways, but it's still A REAL HAM...
Thanks for the comment, I like/make/buy both and it's a dig and light hearted - have you made dry cured cold smoked bacon - all the best, Tom
Weirdly underrated channel.
Nicest comment this week, thank you
Thank you very much. We love your videos.
Thanks, appreciated, apart from taking half a day to edit 3 mins of video - it's appreciated that people watch them - thanks Tom
Here is a link to a free pdf ebook on cold smoking I made - eatcuredmeat.com/cold-smoking/cold-smoking-process-theory-equipment/
i cant seem to find a video at all about bacon that you can eat straight after cold smoking , without cooking it. it is traditional in my county but wanted to ask you what the process is, since i cant find anybody that really knows. thankyou
Its not bacon, its dry cured pork, so the curing is thorough then the drying is to a decent weight loss - for flavor and preservation - here is another video I did on a way to do this - th-cam.com/video/hy2SzkE2VqI/w-d-xo.html
@@eatcuredmeat thank you, so if I do the process you showed with pork belly/bacon it will be ready to eat after curing? no cooking required?
Thanx so much for the in depth explanation for curing and drying!
Hey thanks for the encouragement, way more to publish
Hi, don't know if you have time to answer a question but here goes. I have seen similar smoke generators to the Smokai that have a glass jar or stainless container for collecting creosote, is this strictly necessary, and if not being removed does this end up on the food. I think they are called condensate trap smoke generators
Heya, I've researched them a bit in Germany, where they are popular. It does build up in these smokers - so its an idea. I've got to a get a few to test out for sure. Tom
@@eatcuredmeat Do you remember the brand name?
@@ScottChallenger Can't recall it was a few years ago. Try - searching (not with google because the search engine is shocking now) - german smoke trap .... cheers Tom
I have a smoke generator that has a condensate trap. It's pretty nice. They are sold on Amazon under 2 different names. One is Supllueer, I think the other in Maranda. They run about $ 150.00 to 175.00 USD.
how do i get the course? i tryed oin your sitr but didnt work
Hi Josephsharp700 - the link is in the description click the 'click here' button here is another link to it - courses.eatcuredmeat.com/ultimate-homemade-bacon-online-course
@SmokinYuma Hey there, sorry - I've JUST had a technical change over to a different host/home for my website. Could you try and again and see if it works? And thanks to the support and encouragement. Kindest regards, Tom
Equilibrium curing is a stellar method but it has one fatal flaw(I mean that literally)..... And I say this as a person with industrial vacuum packaging machines at my disposal...... We need to find a way to do it without the use of plastics.... Plastics are a real problem. I'm still a slave to them but trying to rid them from my life.
I agree. Ive been using reusable sous vide bags which aren't perfect, but do a good enough job. Just search reusable sous vide bags in search, cheers and I feel same Tom
I would appreciate some help if possible. I have a rec tex pellet smoker. I've been trying bacon with no good results. I think it's the pellets. I tried adding a smoke tube but still with no Hickory smoke taste added. I'm using Hickory pellets. Would you have any idea what I would need to do to have a hickory flaver added to my food.
pellicle formation maybe? hot and cold smoking have there nuances - have you seen my online bacon course? - eatcuredmeat.com/every-bacon-style-course/
Is the smoke source very close or directly under the pork belly? With a smoke tube you should absolutely be getting enough smoke flavor. Maybe change pellets.
Great video mate... Did you try to use pellets instead of wood chips? 🤔
Howdy, I use pellets more then chips! Cheers Tom
Dry cure meat has been arojnd forever without all that tech stuff. Do it in spring Autum and winter and save your money. At these times of the year i can just hang mine up in my wooden smoke box and if its getting over 15 deg i just chuck in a couple of 2 litre frozen ice bottles. They will last 2 days. Humidity is good in there as well .
👍 great ! Good to have a climate that suits. For doing large diameter soppresatta salami, and big chunks. I like to have a controlled environment for consistent outcomes so I don't waste the effort. Even the 80,000 prosciutto factory I visited in itsly lost 2 or 3 % fron hanging in the open. Cheer T
@EatCuredMeat - I just noticed that I have the same Hanna PH meter that you do. I'm pretty old school and haven't used it a lot. Perhaps the subject of a video but if you have the opportunity, I'd like to know your experience with it... how accurate you feel it is and how you calibrate etc....
Hey Joe, that one lost its accuracy after about 18 months. The spearhead probe isnt' replaceable either, it 'was' acccuate. Good idea will do a video at some point :-) Tom
@EatCuredMeat - I have no issue with mold 600. It's good, clean stuff.... I would only suggest that it's "the standard". Not a bad standard, just the standard. If in the old country... from region to region... from cantina to cantina...... accepting the natural molds in the environment can bring about some amazing flavours. I understand that a business selling salami needs to deliver a consistent product as that's what customers expect.... I've carved out a little culture local to me based on the notion that it's "craft" and will not be the same each and every time. Salumi with different quality of vintage from year to year. The result has been that I have made a salumi that I have not liked at all... but others considered the best I've ever produced... and Some that I thought completely knee-buckling that others though.... "good" I realize this is no business model.... but perhaps nothing "good" is ;) Keep it coming.... and please keep your open approach. Too many have been stifled by regulation, prescribed by dirty mass production Good work
Agreed! Yeah for most of the converted fridges I've used over 20 years - all have actually mean naturally 'innoculated' just from the meat/environment. Funny actually, in the last 4 years, I've been collaborating and teaching a friend who bought a 'Stagionella' commercial double door drying fridge. It's been quite a challenge, since it has too many settings! Hundreds of years ago in the caves of Umbria, don't think they had any buttons to push. Kindest regards, Tom
I’ve spent time in Umbria. Pushing the wrong buttons can be a mistake 😂.
I think what stops most people is that they're conditioned to think they can't do it.... Simple people have been doing it for thousands of years...... the best information (in english usually) is that they have to carefully add carcinogen preservatives to the process in some draconian threat. It was not done this way historically. Simple people did this, safely.... and without the pseudo science. I challenge anyone to find an Italian language salumi maker who uses nitrates/nitrites. In the homeland of salumi.... it just doesn't exist from anyone credible..... It immediately drops the category of meat from "craft" to "oscar meyer weiner" In North America, I challenge anyone to find a single case of botulism (what I'm told we're trying to prevent with curing salt) on the CDC database. They track botulism very closely. There are certainly documented cased from factory producers who used curing salts..... not one from a home producer using traditional, salt-only methods. Period..... People keep telling me I haven't done the research... but I'm pretty sure they're just parrots I feel as though someone says something on TH-cam or whatever... then someone regurgitates it... then a bunch of others repeat it.... and before you know it... that's the "right way". My best advise is to go talk to a really old person who is doing what you want to do. Unlike say, two Guys and their cooler who are skilled in marketing themselves and adhering to basically the same standards as Tyson Meats. I'm hoping most of you have higher aspirations... Don't sterilize your meat..... You need to build relationships with local butchers and farmers.
Thanks for taking the time. Opinions always welcome, after writing the equivalent of 5 novels on my meat curing website. I've tried to take facts, check them and look at any topic with that crazy thing called common sense. The history of the nitrate/nitrite is quite fascinating with the meat industry pushing hard for it, since it speed up production process and of course pink ham is a lot easier to sell then grey (like red tomatoes and orange carrots!). Regurgitation is very common both on youtube and websites thats for sure. I've tried to study the subject for 20 years and that's what I share. Not commercial super risk adverse, just home production that had about a 99% success rate. I've taken every opportunitiy to visit quality producers in Calabria, Around Parma, USA/Indianpolis (Smoking Goose - Awesome place), Australia, Germany, Slovakia, Austria, New Zealand and UK. Cheers Tom (I agree quality butcher, harvesting yourself or growing a pig is ideal - sadly not ideal for most folks)
@@eatcuredmeat I appreciate the way you're rolling this out. I'm not here to judge... I'll leave that to the no-nothings who are selling something. And, I'm not against selling something.... I only get ticked when some guy and his cooler are accepted as legitimate because he deletes comments that point out his lack competence. So far, I'm liking your approach...
Cant Agree more. The guys and a cooler do sometiems now these days""' nitrate free clickbait videos"" But in the end the just ad nitraties but in a form of so called vegetables nittretes. But i thnk overall the American people is what i noticed they just LOVE their higly proccesed foods. They really dont understand the old teqniques and just trust only what the USDA is telling them. And even than if you give them real trad meat products they probally dont like it because they are not used to it. Even if you talk about this nitrites etc and europe trad on forums for example they just want to burn you at the stake they just dont understand. They dont understand how long of a trad for 100s and 1000s of years people in europe evolving there methods to became what the products are today. They just say we are now so modern ardvanced that we now what risk it can take blabla. But they dont understand that from trad to trad family to family that its also grows and evolved to making a superior products without nitrates. Im from europe and also here most meat products use nitrite but their are those old fashioned trad ways and those dont use them. But having said that i myself only use free range meat from sources i know. I wouldnt really trust a mega farm with those conditions they are living and eating it semi raw. I find it both sad for the animals and sad for the quality in the end you get after all that suffering. Cheers! and btw eatcuredmeat i like your website and your take on cured meat keep it going!