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Hi Thanks for your comment. Very interesting to hear you found the same model etc. also sounds like a far better price if there is much work to do as well. Have to say we loved the design and the space onboard and seriously liked the idea of being able to lift the keel and beach the boat. This alone opened up all kinds of possibilities and all kind of anchorages become viable. Sadly with Pete's Dragon we felt there was just too much work for the asking price. Mind you sine our viewing she was listed with a broker and sold so someone felt it was worth it.

@@newkippertales7524 I'm in Virginia, U.S.A., not many of these vessels found here, I'm fixing to rebuild it for my needs- no joke I've searched 5 years for such a vessel - I worked in Boatyards, and have experience in such matters.... I'm so damn happy 😁 at the Moment...on Thursday I'm going to pick it up.... Going to raft it to my current vessel an Endeavor 37 Ketch....live on 1 and work on the Southerly

@@SAILINGDIRTYBIRD sounds like a mammoth task ahead for you but also sounds like your looking forward to it and know what your doing. Wishing you the very best of luck with this project will be following your progress with interest 👍

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Very true, we have experienced that before first hand. At least now with a clear budget, we are able to move forward and things are developing in a few areas and we hope that we will soon be in position share some good news 😉

@@newkippertales7524 Well that sounds like a positive, good luck with it all mate

Like the videos mate it reminds me of my own search a couple of years ago. Learning where you are willing to compromise, because we all have to… I found a really nice Countess 28 and so my advice based on my experience is; doing an internal refit yourself is really difficult and specialist, and expensive, so get one that is nice inside, that doesn’t need much doing you want a good cabin environment or else no one will want to go sailing with you 😂 Mine needed nothing doing, Justin the previous owner had it well sorted and I didn’t understand how important that part was until I had it for a year or two. And get a good reliable engine. It doesn’t have to be new. Mine is a DV20 but rebuilt and simple and so rock solid. No rust anywhere, no leaks, I have a dry bilge on a 1980 boat and engine and that is gold. Everything else I think you can make a list and work through over a few years and get sorted. My sails are 20yrs old and baggy but they work and we sailed 500NM Edinburgh to Orkney return this season, my rigging is indeterminate but passes my visual check. Those things you can fix over a bunch of winters, but a rough wet saggy or smelly old interior is a mission. But that’s just me. We all prioritise different things and have different skillsets hey so this is just based on mine. RAAF skills though so obviously high level 😂 🇦🇺

@@DM-tn6jd Many thanks for your comment and advice. Its always great to get good insight from someone thats walked the same path as it were. I Confess Double Tee struck a cord with us although beyond our budget with a bit of the saggy headlining issues in places but far better than some westerlies we have seen in the past. We have hopes that perhaps there is some wiggle room in the price, but if nothing else we have found that the Seahawk ticks many boxes for us and its a model that will be on the radar. Sound like your own purchase was a very lucky find and she sounds great. I believe the have a great reputation as a Seaboat. Hope you will continue to have many years of happy sailing with your Countess.

Hi Thanks for your comment. Yep I think your right on the money there, could well be a lot of skeletons in the cupboard here and a real Pandora's box once work started. There is a lot of work to be done and even at 30k which is well below market trends for these boats I think you could spend that again just trying to work through things. As you say it would be a full time job for a good six months for someone. To be frank, aspects of the appeal but the work does not.

Hi Thanks for your comment, Yes the hull would need a proper inspection by a surveyor me thinks. It also has to be admitted the Keel plate / ballast plate concerned me a lot given that if the seal between hull and plate breaks down then the water is direct contact with the inner workings and bolts etc. In this case that seal was very poor so who knows what damage has been done and as was suggested, the whole thing needs dropping and checking. May also have noticed some cracking at the front of the keel plate assembly.

Thanks very much for your comment, very insightful. As you say the keel is such a mixed blessing unless well cared for. Indications are its very expensive to maintain or get reconditioned and this example didn't inspire confidence in that area.

Mentions on Vid on the market at £30k

Hi, Boat was on the Market for 30k Privately and then went with a broker for something similar I think.

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Thanks Robert very true, there are many areas that give pause. So survey is good advice indeed.

Many thanks for your comment we are working to get levels right so welcome the feedback on this one, hopefully most recent vids are better. 🤞

Hi Andrew thanks for your comment. I hear great things about the Cornish Shrimper 19 and people have achieved much with them. You know despite our drive to upsize and get more space onboard etc. I truly think there is a lot to be said for keeping thinks perhaps smaller and more manageable, especially if solo sailing. 🤔

Thanks for your comment, this has been mentioned a few times now and we even took down the vid to re work the audio which now seems ok on our systems so bit confused on this one. Of course montage at the end is more of a taster so voice isn't important on that, but we will look into this and do better next time 😉

Hi, Thanks for your comment, we have indeed been talking about the liveaboard option, but also its the more space onboard thing that also attracts, but also while Kipper is tough as old boots, she is a motor sailor at heart , and the prospect of better sailing performance also attracts and as you know from our Vlogs we do seem to have gone from one issue to the next and not been getting much of a sailing return on the effort, but who knows perhaps we have at last trued the corner ;-) but all this being said we would find it hard to part company with Kipper

Hi. Thanks for your comment, The thing about twin keel is that its something of a trade off, You get the ability to dry out which means its not all about marina hopping, plus you can explore the rivers and estuaries as we have tried to do with Kipper and not get hung up on water depths. But the cost is you do lose performance to windward as you dont have the same bite from the keel and thus get more leeway. To give an example Kipper is twin keel, and on one stretch of the cleddau river which runs East/West its over a mile wide, on one side of that stretch the tanker ships berth East/West to load and off load to the oil refinery. While sailing that stretch to windward (West) close hauled with Kipper we made a tack out of one mile then tacked back a mile and just made to windward about the length of a tanker say 800 feet! so you can see thats not great for progress to wind. But saying this some boats like the Colvic Countess and Westerly centaur in bilge/twin keel form have longer keels than kipper and they are better angled for giving a lift to wind so do perform a lot better. They also say that Twin keel can be a handful in a big following sea and don't track to well, but I haven't experienced that problem personally. Talking to friends with Bilge keel boats like the ones mentioned they accept that 45 to 50 degrees is the closest they may get to the wind. I confess part of me wants that windward performance of a fin keel, but another part likes the ability to dry out and not be to fixated on the depth gauge. Anyway hope this was useful.

Yes indeed on the radar but budget a real problem, most seem to be beyond budget. Moody 333 and 336 also of interest

Many Thanks Mike, Glad your enjoying our videos and we delighted to have you along on our travels. Sailing the Great Lakes must be an amazing experience 🙂

Hi Yes O ring not great but ultimately as you will see in later vids the problem was found somewhere in the system that was going to difficult to spot, or put it another way about the only thing we had not changed!

Hi, Looking back at the oldest bill of sale we have on file, way back in 1987 she was called Kipper then. No idea before that time.

Thanks Nick, Lets hope it is just the prop come loose.

Hi, Yes indeed bad enough, but she has been worse :-) wouldn't mind but we had brought down the perfect pressure wash for the job and had it all planned. But once again Kipper had other plans!

Many thanks, we like to share what we do warts and all, as they say 🙂

Some good tips there Russell Thanks. Yes indeed with the repair we had replaced everything from the tank onward so I guess logically there was only the tank left to look for problems before we called in the pros. But I confess I doubt we would have found the problem as it was only visible under pressure. I did think they would repair the pipe but no they got 2 new ones made up including one for the return feed at a cost of £150 each so it all mounts up. But we are up and running once more and with luck can start getting out on some proper adventures like yourself.

Yes indeed taken a very long time to get to the bottom of it and frankly I don't think that we would have found the problem in the tank ourselves. But we had changed just about everything else so very few places left we could have looked. 🙂

Very true Andrew but hopefully we are sorted and back up and running at last.sea trial is the only way to find out.

Thanks for the feedback

I had no trouble with the audio. I'm sorry you did.

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Small world Dave, Yes indeed we got set up to go through for the first time but we spotted another boat heading south on the last of the tide and bailed it so we could let them through so we had plenty of room, but finished up followed Happy Quest through which was very handy, but she did give us a few nervous moments as she seemed to flirt with Tusker rock but I'm sure it was all a matter of perspective :-) Obviously your good lady is far tougher then us lightweights sincerely hats off to her. :-)

@@newkippertales7524 Hi Again, Not sure if I'm reading you right but was that your first time going through Jack Sound? If so congratulations. Happy Quest is engine-less so we would have been taking advantage of the stronger tide at Tusker. If you look back and keep on the Transit of the Black Rocks and the Western end of Skokholm that will keep you off the Crabstones and Tusker, and once you can see the Garland Stone you can turn north. My Father was a friend of Rubin Codd he was the last man to farm Skomer. Rubin had a clinker boat with a Seagull outboard. When I was a kid Rubin came back through Little Sound and then through Jack, as we crossed Jack we came across a Duck swimming to the mainland she was followed by her Ducklings tweeting loudly and keeping line astern. Rubin said he knew they did it but it was the first time he had seen it! It's a place of many stories!

@@daverolstone5669 Hi,Yes indeed it was our first run through Jack sound, we had set up initially as engine running but on tick over just as insurance just in case things went to the bad but mainly under sail but a boat came through the other way just on the last gasp of tide heading south so we broke away and let them have the space and looped around to try again, in the meantime we found that we were now following Happy quest and I don't mind telling you we were glad about that, but we had some very nervous moments when she seemed to be heading straight for Tusker but suddenly she luffed up and was away across the bay, and just left us for dead wow what a boat. Hats off she looked amazing and we were very jealous of her abilities as a sail boat as we embarked on a rolly crossing of the bay killing time before we could get into solva. Happy quest looked amazing you must be so proud, I know we were impressed and no mistake :-)

@@newkippertales7524 Hi Again, it's great to see you challenging yourself and being successful. So many interesting places to visit and anchor locally, I look forward to seeing more of your adventures. I wasn't the owner of Happy Quest that was another David but I did crew and sail with him for many happy years :).

Hi. The exhaust was a headache for us. first plan was to take it directly to the side of the hull. But the rolling boat meant a danger of water getting into it and would need water traps etc. but perhaps it can be done. Second plan was to run it aft to the stern, which is what we did in the end, but as I had to pass it below the cockpit locker etc we had no access to get to it and pin it up and off the hull. So only way was to insulate the pipe as seen on the vlogs. Seems to work but frankly I have thought seriously about moving the whole thing and mount the burner in the engine compartment somehow and find a way to get the exhaust off the hull. While the double insulation of the exhaust works it worries me sitting on the hull as there are massive heats involved. Hope this helps.

@@newkippertales7524 thank you fot the reply

How are you finding the heater? Is it worth it? Could you send us the link for the same heater

Not used it much to date but so far so good. As mentioned in vlogs, I took the view that it was cheap enough and if it didn't last at least, I would have all the structure in place to upgrade to perhaps a better known brand. Link is to the same kit we bought. www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0B4S9QYWN/ref=sspa_dk_detail_0?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B0B4S9QYWN&pd_rd_w=6QnFM&content-id=amzn1.sym.8d91a06c-52c8-441e-afa4-963e53268566&pf_rd_p=8d91a06c-52c8-441e-afa4-963e53268566&pf_rd_r=2KHD4PB161GMXSQZHKRM&pd_rd_wg=7gSsw&pd_rd_r=c4bda15e-8dcb-46bb-9c77-029f50ad0e8e&s=automotive&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9kZXRhaWw

Wow the very 1st one thats great, what a privilege to own her. We looked seriously at Aberystwyth as its just 12 miles from where we live, but it was about the same money as we pay now, but now we have full tidal access so no worries about how much water we have. The down side is that living where we do, we have a 60 odd mile drive to Neyland, but what makes it for us is the fact that we can get out onto the Cleddau in almost any weather and you can cruise for a week without reaching the sea at all. Hope you will keep us updated on your own adventures.

Yes indeed its been too long, hope we can now change all that 😁

Thanks for joining us, new jobs and covid has given us a few bumps in the road but with luck we hope more kipper vlogs will be out soon. thanks for dropping us a line, means a lot to us :-)

Glad you enjoyed, sadly covid has upset a lot of plans but with luck new Vids on the way soon.

A Water trap is an integral part of the system. The outlet element also has an angled pipe to help with that very same problem. So limits the chances but still its not an impossibility. Alternative mounting would have been on the hull side, and while that would have been far easier in fitting and heat protection etc. but there is a much higher risk of water getting in there, after all the boat rocks and rolls all the time so shipping a wave into the system would be a very real possibility. I guess its lesser of the evils as they say, but the approach I have taken seems to be the convention. :-)