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Historical and fantasy wargaming content
Uniforms & Organisation of the Prussian Reserve [Road to Leipzig Ep. 6]
Despite at first looking, at first, somehow more boring than the blue and grey of the Prussian regular infantryman, the Prussian reserve sported a bewildering array of different uniform types across the period of the Befreiungskriege to the Hundred Days Campaign. This deep dive covers the history of the battalions, the Krümper system that led to their formation, their organisation into regiments, and of course their uniforms... so many uniforms.
Mantle's Pamphlet on the Prussian Reserve can be accessed here: www.napoleon-series.org/military-info/organization/c_resinf.html
0:00 Intro
0:33 History
6:55 Cadre uniforms
8:27 Reservist uniforms
14:40 Sources used
#napoleonic #napoleonicwars #prussian #uniform #napoleonicwargaming #blackpower #generaldarmee2
Mantle's Pamphlet on the Prussian Reserve can be accessed here: www.napoleon-series.org/military-info/organization/c_resinf.html
0:00 Intro
0:33 History
6:55 Cadre uniforms
8:27 Reservist uniforms
14:40 Sources used
#napoleonic #napoleonicwars #prussian #uniform #napoleonicwargaming #blackpower #generaldarmee2
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Everything I Wish I'd Known as a Beginner Hobby YouTuber: Why to Start & 10 Lessons Learned
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After discussing content creation itself with a few commenters recently, and after seeing that there weren't a lot of videos out there aimed at hobbyists curious about starting their own channel, I thought I'd discuss some of the lessons I've learned over my first year of making content about Warhammer and historical gaming on TH-cam. To repeat an important disclaimer from the video itself: thi...
My Dream Dwarf Army - 2024 Round-Up [Collecting Classic Old World Dwarfs Ep. 6]
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An end-of-year round-up on my classic, Middlehammer Dwarf Army for Warhammer: The Old World and an update on the state of the collection as I work towards painting every figure from the 6th edition range. Series Playlist: th-cam.com/play/PLlFnOwrOZvnbboEe1m3PUgWVqhStpFsF7.html&si=z8EixSilwk9Ioj8H Painting/Hobby Playlist: th-cam.com/play/PLlFnOwrOZvnaI1FWOClFfd2Mo4TNAv6YK.html&si=dKLF2Lwt1M3cyLt...
Napoleonic Basing in 28mm [Road to Leipzig Ep. 5]
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Debates over base sizes are a staple of Napoleonic discussion threads on wargaming forums. Recently, the 40mm square has emerged as something of a universal standard for the period, most notably in the ruleset Black Powder 2, published by Warlord Games, but why? What follows is a 23 minute rant about little rectangles of mdf. Enjoy. 0:00 Intro 1:14 Newcomers 4:12 Model dimensions 7:05 Aesthetic...
Gyrocopter & Bugman's Cart - Sculpts, History, & Release [Collecting Classic Old World Dwarfs Ep. 5]
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Two lumbering, metal kits join the collection today: the dwarf gyrocopter and Bugman's cart, recently re-released with the Dwarf Arcane Tome for Warhammer: The Old World. As has become the norm for this series, I'll cover the history of these iconic sculpts by Trish Carden (Bugman's cart) and Tim Adcock and Colin Dixon (gyrocopter), the background to their release, and some thoughts from the pr...
Prussian Line Infantry Uniform and Painting Guide [Road to Leipzig Ep. 4]
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Four episodes in and at last, some minis! Today's instalment is a complete uniform and painting guide for Prussian Musketeers, Fusiliers, and Grenadiers, using the Perry Miniatures plastic set: Napoleonic Prussian Line Infantry 1813-1815. For a more in depth look at the question of regimental numbers, unit facings, distinctions, and sword knots, watch the previous episode of the series here: th...
Facings and Sword Knots for Prussian Line Infantry [Road to Leipzig Ep. 3]
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This week, we enter the rabbit hole of Prussian Regimental distinctions like cuffs, collars, and shoulder straps; provincial and honorific titles; vegetable dyes; and, of course, sword knots. As an accompanying video to a painting guide that I'm preparing on Prussian Line Infantry figures, this video gives a more detailed look at the process itself of researching uniforms and the perils of rely...
How to Use Napoleonic Orders of Battle [Road to Leipzig Ep. 2]
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Orbats, OOBs, or just OBs - they're everywhere in Napoleonic wargaming but can seem mystifying to the fantasy or sci-fi gamer. This video introduces all the terms you need to understand how they're structured, like corps, division, brigade, regiment, battalion, and company; draws some historical comparisons between the French and Prussian armies of 1813; explains some different ways to use them...
Why There's Never Been a Better Time to Start Napoleonics [Road to Leipzig Ep. 1]
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From the health of the community and the variety of miniature ranges to the quality of recent rulesets and the amount of content on offer, there's never been a better time for beginners to get started with Napoleonic wargaming. In this first episode of a new series for the channel, I'll be looking at the position of Napoleonics in the wargaming landscape and giving some tips on selecting your o...
4th/6th Edition Rangers - Sculpts, History, and Release [Collecting Classic Old World Dwarfs Ep. 4]
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A bit of luck on Ebay meant I was able to bump up my block of rangers to a full unit of 16 which I've slowly painted up over the past few weeks. Join me in this episode as I trawl through the history of these classic sculpts by Michael Perry and Aly Morrison as well as the many guises in which Bugman's Rangers have appeared in Warhammer editions past. To see the development of my Dwarf collecti...
A tribute to a legendary dwarf general - Paul Sawyer and the Kazad Bolg Expeditionary Force
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A short tribute to Paul Sawyer and his inspirational collection of Dwarfs, the Kazad Bolg Expeditionary Force, that kickstarted my own love of the army during the 6th Edition of Warhammer Fantasy. GoFundMe organised by Paul's family: www.gofundme.com/f/make-dads-remaining-months-happy-comfortable Sergeant Sawyer Charity Figure by Warlord Games: store.warlordgames.com/products/sergeant-sawyer-ch...
How To Paint Stripes: Blood Bowl Halflings Painting Tutorial
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As far as freehand painting goes they're pretty straightforward, but stripes can still be daunting for many. This short tutorial shows how I finished the team kit for my Blood Bowl Halflings: Aver March Albion. Socials: Instagram: @MiniAgnostic Twitter: @MiniAgnostic TH-cam: @MiniAgnostic #bloodbowl #halflings #paintingtutorial #freehand #miniaturepainting
Painting Realistic Buildings for Wargaming
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In a return to my Napoleonics, I paint up some resin terrain from Grand Manner-the Holzhausen house from their 28mm Napoleonic Europe range, a fantastically detailed set of sculpts featuring historically accurate reconstructions of nineteenth-century Fachwerk houses. Tony Harwood, who created the masters for the range, maintains a blog here: dampfpanzerwagon.blogspot.com/ For news on the future...
Visiting Europe's Biggest Independent Wargaming Show - Salute 51
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Character Basing Tutorial for Warhammer the Old World
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Bonus Dwarf Video: Building & Pinning the 6th Ed Metal Gyrocopter
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Rules Complexity and Community Building in Warhammer: The Old World
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6th Edition Thunderers - Sculpts, History, and Release [Collecting Classic Old World Dwarfs Ep. 3]
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Warhammer The Old World Movement Tray Unboxing, Tutorial, and Review
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How to create realistic grass from hanging basket liners
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6th Edition Ironbreakers - Sculpts, History, and Release [Collecting Classic Old World Dwarfs Ep. 2]
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How to paint Warhammer Dwarf Ironbreakers
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Beginning My Dream Dwarf Army [Collecting Classic Old World Dwarfs Ep. 1]
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A very nicely put together video on a great subject. Many thanks, I am now subbed.
I’m really enjoying this series as it has come just in time as I resume painting my Prussian II Corps for 1815. The reservists episode was very enlightening. A couple of suggestions for additional resource and miniatures is Elite Miniatures who do a great publication on reservists which goes hand in hand with there range. And also Front Rank that has a British & 1813 uniform options. These two ranges would compliment Calpe. Keep up the good work
Can you recommend a game that works well in 1/72 scale? I've never played any Napoleonic wargames before but I have 2 boxes of Landwehr, 1 box of reserves and 1 box of jager in that scale. I want to create a historically accurate division or brigade based around the 1815 campaign.
This is exactly what I've been looking for, now I can finally paint my Prussian Reserves. Thank you.
Very glad to be of help!
I have read on the Prussians recently and one weird Anglo misrepresentation seems to be the numbering system. Going through von Plotho's actual work which is most cited, there are no mentions of numbering. He only states regiments by their provincial numbering and doesn't use the "1stes Pommersches IR Nr. 2" nomenclature. Likewise, GenWiki writes these Nr. # designations as appearing from 5 November 1816. Then there's a TMP thread where Prince of Essling and Oliver Schmidt both claim its fabrication. Thus if the Garde-Regiment zu Fuss was never numbered until the 2nd Regiment was formed, the Leib-Infanterie and the rest could not have been numbered down. On the contrary, the handwritten Rangliste of the Prussian Army for 1813 does show numberings, but the 1808 and 1812 versions do not. In 1815, with the renaming/formation of the 13th to 32nd regiments, von Plotho writes them as such without numbering the first twelve. So it seems that they intended to institute the numbering and provincial designations but were interrupted by the Hundred Days (after all the Final Act of the Vienna Congress was ratified right before the campaign started). My personal theory here is that English sources immediately after the wars heard about the seniority but only dived into the topic after the AKO of 05.11.1816 which is how we have this supposed renumbering of the Garde-Regiment zu Fuss and all after that myth that tends to appear in English-language discourse but ends up unsupported in German documentation.
The use of the regimental numbers 1-12 instead of provincial designations is anachronistic certainly, sorry for not being clearer in the video - I mostly included them just for clarity on the numbering of the reserve (on which more below). To my understanding, official reports only ever referred to those line regiments by provincial title as you say (or honourifics in the case of Leib and Colberg). I've seen this acknowledged quite widely in English literature on the subject. I haven't read before that the *existence* of the numbers 1-12 was a myth however, or that the removal of the Garde zu Fuss from the line somehow didn't take place, if I understand your comment correctly? Schmidt refers quite directly to their existence in an official capacity in his Osprey Warrior book on the Prussian Regular Infantryman, when describing the AKO of 1 July 1813, where the order about 1. and 2e Garde-Regiment zu Fuß was made. Given that the former reserve and new infantry regiments only received their provincial titles in that later AKO that you mention of 5.11.1816, it would seem strange for the prior numbers not to have existed surely? How do you suppose that the reserve/new regiments were referred to between 25.3.1815 and 5.11.1816 if not by numbers 13 - 32/34?
The "Portuguese" uniforms provided by the British were actually intended for the Spanish Army as reorganized in 1812, with the "light infantry" shako instead of the Portuguese "Baratina" shako.
Thank you, hadn't come across that before!
I just now found your channel. Good job, I love the details.
Thank you, glad you enjoy it!
Might be a dumb question but since the prussian army was larger during the hundred day campain. How did their uniforms reflect that. was the new 28 ish regiments updated since 1813/14 or did the newer regiments keep mostly to their volenteer attire? (painting up some waterloo prussians and very confused about collars and cuffs post liberation of 1814)
Never a dumb question! To look up colours of individual regiments I'd recommend this site centjours.mont-saint-jean.com/unitesPR.php# For the background to it, numbers 13-24 ('created' in March 1815) were the result of bringing the former reserve infantry regiments into the line. Only a few still officially wore the regulation grey reservist uniform by that time (IR18 and IR22-24). The others were in the process of receiving new regular uniforms, but it would have been a mix within each battalion owing to shortages etc. Mearwhile regiments 25-32 were formed from Freikorps and foreign units. The facing colours correspond to the provincial titles which these regiments would eventually receive in 1816. Half of the reserve ones used existing colours (Nos 14 & 21 are the 3rd and 4th Pomeranian; Nos 20 and 24 are 3rd and 4th Brandenburg; Nos 22 and 23 are 1st and 2nd Upper Silesian). The others + the new regiments were associated with either Westphalia (rose pink), Posen (crimson), Rhineland (madder red), or Magdeburg & Thuringia (light blue).
I thoroughly enjoy these "uniformology " videos.
Thank you!
I do find this interesting and good for you for presenting what is complicated so clearly. Thanks you.
Thank you!
In my mind there is nothing more glorious than the sight of ranked Napoleonic miniatures. These are beautifully painted and excellent research. My only issue is that you've got me hovering over the buy button on the Perry website 🤣
Thank you! I know that feeling all too well 🤣
Wtf you recording on a iphone 3? 720p quality and constantly out of focus
This was my second ever video on the channel, was still figuring things out, sorry!
I’m assuming this is the same for Pike and Shot?
I don't know a huge amount about Pike and Shot I'm afraid. Much of what I'm discussing here is specific to the company structure of Napoleonic battalions so you'd probably want to look up the organisation of equivalent units in whichever period you're looking to wargame.
Thanks, enjoyed the vid and some useful thoughts, Ive been on and off with a channel for a bit with limited uploads but have taken this year as a push to motivate me to upload more. Mainly uncommon mini reviews and my painting logs. The first for those looking, as they tend to be ones I have looked for and not found, the latter to help clear the pile of shame. Congrats on the 1000 too.
Thank you :) It definitely helps to find a niche with things that not many have covered - I've subscribed and look forward to seeing the channel grow!
Fantastic video. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks so much!
Great video since it's targeted at people in the hobby! There is a lot of great info here. One question I'd like to ask: what video editing software are you using? Thanks again!!!
Hey, thanks for the comment! I just use iMovie for everything at the moment - I've been in the apple ecosystem for a long time so it made sense for me but there's plenty of other options out there.
I use a system that works both for skirmish games (like Sharp Practice) AND big battles. Each Group of 8 infantry is based as 1x4 men, 1x2 men and 2x1 men. I magnetise and transport each such group of 2x4 figs on its own sabot or metal sheet. This permits casualty removal for Sharp Practice, while allowing easy movement in mass formations. Combining two, three or four such groups allows me to field a full battalion for GDA. I mount my skirmishers in pairs with two singletons in every six as ‘change’, allowing them to join line battalions if needed. NCOs, officers and standards tend be based separately allowing them to be used as tokens in Sharp Practice, or simply switched into the big formations for battalion games.
Thanks for the comment, that's a clever system you've got - I imagine it's even trickier for someone wanting to play both skirmish and larger battle games with the same collection so good job on finding something that works for you!
@ - It’s a bit of faff, but it works pretty much perfectly. Great to be able to play whichever rules system takes my fancy using my existing troops. Amusingly, I use exactly the same 60x40 base sizes as you do but with 25mm troops. Only my artillery bases are different, since I add magnets to allow for an entire Sharp Practice crew of 5+1.
Thanks for the video and sharing all the behind the scenes data. I've been tempted to start my own channel and this may push me over the edge to do it
Thank you, definitely worth giving it a go! If it's something you find fulfilling then I've found that it can be hugely positive for your enjoyment of the hobby overall.
What do you recommend for 15mm?
I haven't collected any 15m Napoleonics myself, but if you have the same preference as me, for tighter based figures, then I'd suggest following the recommendations in General de Brigade.
Really enjoy your presentation - I've never actually found the 1813-15 Prussians in any way interesting previously, but a detective job over sword knots was just the thing to spark interest! Army coming along great.
Thank you so much! They're definitely one of those armies that can seem quite plain on the surface but the further you dig the more you discover.
I am an outlier in that I base everything on 25mm round bases and use movement trays. I do this because I play Sharp Practice, which encourages you to do this, but there’s no reason it can’t work for other games. It isn’t idea for massive scale games though where removing figures from the movement tray isn’t necessary, but you can always just stick them down temporarily with a bit of tape or blue tack. It will definitely make your formations less dense, but it won’t impact gameplay as long as your frontages still work out.
Thanks for the comment, that's probably the most flexible of all if I'm being honest. I've seen quite a few using those sabot bases for Wars of the Roses to be able to play systems like Hail Caesar and Never Mind the Billhooks with the same figures.
@@MiniAgnostic The main drawback of doing it my way I’ll admit is that it’s pretty fiddly compared to dedicated multi basing, but that’s a trade off. The other main issue is that it means you end up with much less dense formations since it’s a 25mm base plus the spacing between each base on the tray leading to something like 30-32mm frontage per figure vs the classic 15-20mm per figure. I think this is ok, but if you like dense formations it might not be the right choice for you. However, formation density changed over time according to changing battlefield tactics and technology. From the Seven Years war to the Napoleonic wars formations became less dense to facilitate rapid maneuvers instead of maximizing firepower and after the introduction of the rifled-musket in the 1850’s formations got even less dense to allow even faster movement. Since I am starting with the American Civil War I think my 25mm basing scheme fits this perfectly.
Great vid. Brought back my own pain of putting one together.
Thank you! Aye, having done this one I've decided that one is quite enough for the time being.
Congrats on the 1k subscribers, it's one hell of a milestone! Started my channel properly around 6 months ago, mainly to help reduce my lead/plastic mountains and learn more about youtube itself (as Mrs. Wifey-Woman wants to start a channel), currently only 175 subscribers, but slowly getting there.... Have already realised that I have developed my own painting style that works (and recently won a 'best painted' award at a tournament).... Been using Canva for my Thumbnails, but thanks for the tip about Gmp, I'll take a look!
Thank you, and congratulations on the painting award! That's a really good point about the backlog - with that extra sense of accountability maybe from wanting to continue/finish a series it could help with dissuading our hobby butterfly tendencies
Interesting seeing the TH-cam graphs
Cheers :) there's a tonne of things it tracks, still discovering new stuff all the time.
So many shoutouts and good ideas. Great work.
Thank you!
I'm struggling to understand why people get hung up on this. The figures are purely representative. Real battalions vary vastly in strength and are hundreds of men, not 24, 30, 36 etc figures, it's purely aesthetic and really up to you, what you like and what you can afford and is not in any way, shape or form a Napoleonic battalion.
Most of the uncertainty/indecision seems to be down to players overthinking it from the perspective of different rulesets, if I'm honest, when for most it doesn't really matter that much at all. Aesthetics and budget, like you say, are a big factor for some as well, as I discuss in the video. Obviously the figures are only representative - following a precise figure scale as a fixed ratio of one miniature to twenty men, for instance, seems to have gone out of fashion a good few years ago which is why I barely mentioned it.
@@MiniAgnostic I think the General de Brigade rules are excellent and yet the forum is bogged down with people worrying about structuring the companies in their battalions when it is the battalion not the company they are using as the maneuver element.
I have primed all my dwarves n acquired them from various manufacturers. Highland, gw, reaper n DnD plastic. Cant wait to get em all painted so I can play a game with a fully painted army!
Ah nice, there's a tonne of great sculpts out there these days so it's nice to feature a few different ranges in a collection. Good luck with the painting!
Great stuff! My Dwarf army is a mixture of 4th, 5th, and 6th edition models as it took me about 15 years to collect them all (back in the day). I finally painted them all about 5 years ago! 😅
Thank you! Ah that's great to hear, do you have photos of them anywhere? Always love to see other dwarf collections
Looks great! I also am working on a 5/6th ed dwarf army. Where are those trees from? I’ve been hunting for them
Thank you! Afraid it's not a helpful answer, but these are the original ones I bought (but recently rebased) from Games Workshop in the early 2000s - I've been on a hunt for more of them as well since the original packs are so rare to see on ebay etc. I did find mention of KandMTrees as one of the suppliers that citadel had used back in the day for their own trees, but the bases don't seem to match up...
Very nice work. Your channel inspired me to sit down a few extra times in 2024 to work on my dwarf collection.
Thank you, that's lovely to hear!
I base according to Morbey, which is essentially amended "In the Grand Manner"....To me, it gives the proper Napoleonic look....
There's something so distinctive about the whole aesthetic of armies for In the Grand Manner - love it
army looks great!
Thanks mate 😄
A great looking army. Looking forward to seeing it grow this year
Thanks so much, happy New Year!
They look awesome & ready to cross off some grudges! Happy new year!
Thanks so much, and happy New Year!
A great deep dive - well thougt out and articulated. Well played Good Sir!
Thanks so much for the comment!
I'm currently sitting on a pile of Prussian Perry figures and finding you doing this series i think is a godsend lol. Basing alone you described it 100%. coming out of systems that have defined base sizes per miniature... I've been trying to figure out what to do, was leaning to the 40mm square with 4 figs... but I really like your point about Prussian battalions having 4 companies, and those 8 mini 60x40 bases look stellar. Jaeger is the other one trying to wrap my head around. Look forward to more!
Heya, thanks so much for the comment, lovely to hear from others working on Prussians as well! I think for Jäger it'll likely come down to which ruleset you're planning to use, more so than with something like line infantry, since they get represented in so many different ways (as part of the brigade skirmish screen, as little detachments of a single company, etc.), and then you've got the schützen... I quite like the way the Perry's have based theirs as three on a 45x40 base so might try that.
Surly base size is decided by the rules chosen. I have heard far to much talk on subjects that as far as I believe are totally unnecessary. The choses are 1 stick to which rules you decide, 2 change the set of rules that suits you're way off playing and 3 Stop Bitching and write your own bloody rules for Pete's sake. Happy New Year guys and just enjoy the hobby as you prefer.
Hey, thanks for the comment - the aim of the video, as I set out, is mostly for newer players faced with a ruleset which *doesn't* specify a single method, like I set out at the start of the video. Given the number of questions I've seen over the years, many players do find this conversation necessary, hence why - like you've done in your comment - I've tried to set out some choices to help steer their decisions: among them being to just stick to the game's "recommended" basing if that suits you, or to change it to your own tastes based on aesthetics, figure size, gaming intentions, etc.
“Stick to the rules”? It’s great to have the option to play multiple sets of rules, especially if you’re just starting out and what to explore the possibilities. The dilemma comes when you want to play skirmish games and ‘big battles’ with the same figures. It’s entirely feasible if you’re happy to use magnets 🧲 and have a mix of base sizes.
Locally we settled on 6 figs on a 50x50 for 28mm Naps
Just started on a friend’s Prussians was not sure where to begin, this video was perfect. Thank you!
Lovely to hear that, thanks so much!
I’m trying to write my own napoleonic rules. I play solo, but after over 60 years of gaming, I have seen where many rule books/sets manage to slow down play. ( there are some brilliant gamers who write successful napoleonic rules, who are then persuaded to alter the rules to fix a problem, when the problem is often the players who haven’t read and understood the rules or tested what a small change will make to the authors intent. Also are the rules meant to be a game or a simulation. The game has all the nations have the same army with different uniforms. Peter Young’s book Charge! or how to play Wargames I still have some Spencer Smith 30mm plastic AWI figures with paint flaking off every time I open the box. The main problem for me is my typing speed or lack of it . I always take note of new rules by older Wargamers as they have the experience of knowing what problems lie ahead. One thing that always used to be left out of rules is an army list for the protagonists. It should always be decided what campaign are you going to build an army for and what size battles for the rules. Waterloo is a brilliant campaign to refight because of the major battles but look at the Prussian’s in the early days of the campaign ? The Prussian Corps that ran into a French division. Find a board game that matches the action ant you will find a division who was leading the Prussian defence? And the French brigade or division probing for an unguarded river crossing. So I’ll aim the rules for a divisional battle but there may be a lt. cavalry brigade in front of the French ruing a picket line. So you may need a higher level of command and control. Many very good rule sets don’t give specifics of how messages are passed without sticking a paper note rolled up and pushed between the horses legs. Before worrying about the big things perhaps a 1,000 to 2,500 army points per side giving both armies a chance to defeat the other play the game then see what was wrong or a rule that wasn’t there. Ow in my case I will be playing both sides I have Brits and some French, some Prussian all in 15mm. For short games I think halving the possible figures in a battalion will shorten the games a written plan of attack or defence for both sides means that they will have structured orders and the General is the only one who can change the basic plan. I’m looking for a part of 1812/13 where I can recreate an engagement between the French and one of the Prussian or allied armies, but so far I’ve only found corps fighting on the flank of there army.
Hey, thanks for the thoughtful response - to add to what you say about many of the 'fixes' gamers try to bring to rulesets, I think another issue is gamers trying to use a set of rules in a way they weren't necessarily intended (e.g., trying to turn Bolt Action into more of a simulation for refighting specific WW2 engagements etc.). When something is being marketed/published, there'll have to be those concessions, but if you're developing rules for your own use then I guess you're free to design them around a single campaign or even one battle if you like!
I find it very satisfying that you are going through exactly the same thought process that I did and coming to the same conclusion. My formula has always been "(200 - 250mm ) divided by the number of companies @ 15mm per figure" TBH 40x40 bases would drive me nuts as they would be very fiddly.
Thank you, it's reassuring for me to read as well that I'm not alone!
Finding a ground scale, then getting everyone to use would be difficult. But it is one of the items that separate the Napoleonic game from the Napoleonic simulation.
Hey, yeah I think ground scales can be valuable but like you say, getting everyone to agree and stick to one can be tricky. Unless you collect both sides yourself for a specific presentation game, I think picking where you apply it more rigorously (village sizes, distances between objectives, the scale of rivers etc. in relation to a best guess battalion size) is probably an easier approach for most games.
Button counting promoted to button accountancy but this complicated information was delivered with great aplomb. Fascinating and worth a watch for anyone with ambitions to enter the Napoleonic labyrinth, well done.
Thank you so much - I love that phrase 'button accountancy'!
Excellent informative video. One question, outside of the march -attack pose, have you tried placing 8 Victrix figures on a 60mm base?
Thank you! I haven't got any Victrix figures myself I'm afraid, sorry
Thank you very much for your excellent explanation of this topic. Also very much appreciated is your pronunciation of quite a few difficult German words, many of which younger Germans would have difficulties getting right. 😀
Thank you! I try my best 😅
I’d make one observation. Determining base size on theoretical Regimental manning is a tad unrealistic. No battalion would ever be at its doctrinal strength a week after marching out of its depot / barracks. I think fretting over base size is a bit like worrying if the sun will rise tomorrow. Better, in my opinion, to simply pick a base size based on the frontage a battalion would be expected to maintain ‘in the battle line’. Consequently my units are based in a variety of ways. Some are six bases of 4 miniatures in two ranks on 40mm squares. Others are 6 figures on 4 bases that are 45mm wide by 40mm deep. Bottom line, as long as each battalion has a frontage between 180mm up to 240mm I’m fine with it (regardless of nationality) because no one battalion was ever going to have the same strength as its sister battalions within the Regiment \ Brigade..
Hey, thanks for the thoughtful response - I agree fully about field vs paper strength, which is why I didn't get into figure ratios in the video. The typical numbers I mentioned at the end for my own collection are based on rough averages while on campaign, but if you do want to be more precise in following a single orbat or capturing a wider range then what you've recommended re a mix of unit sizes is definitely the best idea.
@ I should add I pay using GDA2 where base sizes aren’t a ‘deal breaker’. Close enough is good enough which I also think is historically appropriate
I am a veteran wargamer and no matter what period I play I like my units to represent what they are supposed to be , in this case Napoleonic close order infantry ! Long ago I learnt to base my figures how I want to base them and not how the rule writers suggest , You can always adjust rules to fit Your basing .. For me it's the look of the unit that counts, rules are secondary in this choice but this only comes from years of playing Wargames , but it's quite liberating ! So seeing well painted Napoleonic infantry based in open order makes me cringe , seeing average painted figures based well shoulder shoulder on dioramic bases wins the day for every time !
I agree completely - especially if, like me, you're more into the painting side of the hobby in any case!
I wish this had been released before I had based 5 battalions of Russian infantry, I'm locked into a system now! Gread vid, liked and subscibed.
Thank so much, good luck with the collection!
An interesting video. I would think that the recommendations you have provided actually prohibit new players from joining this glorious part of the hobby and are actually for those with an intimidate understanding of the period. For those wanting to just play the era, the rule sets you have mentioned with standard frontage have solved all the problems you have provided. What happens if I want to play Essling, have Austrian battalions based according to one of your recommendations ie. eight figures per stand for the beginning of the campaign, but now need to consider attrition?
Heya, yeah it’s a fair point about ‘just wanting to play’ - it’s easy to get overly fussy with this stuff, of which I’m probably more guilty than most. Having only started myself a few years ago, and having taken this approach with my basing from the start, I wouldn’t say it’s particularly prohibitive or needs tonnes of research - it just needed me to dig through a few older rulesets and do some wider reading than I would’ve come across had I stuck to just Black Powder. It’s a good point about attrition - my perspective is that a collection is always going to be more suitable for some battles than others, be that through uniforms, composition, field strength of units, state of campaign dress, etc. so we have to make concessions on at least one front. Personally, I’d rather have a collection that I’ve themed around one battle that it represents in a way that satisfies me rather than something adaptable but specific to none. I realise this option isn’t for everyone but thank you for putting down sone ideas so thoughtfully - all given me more to consider.
@ As I should have mentioned, I’m loving and am very grateful for these deep dives.
Loved the reflection on basing! This has already been a significant source of headaches too me as well. While historical accuracy in unit composition is important to me, I think I lean towards prioritizing rule flexibility. For instance, the rules I’m most drawn to-Soldiers of Napoleon-determine the number of bases based on a battalion's "strength" rather than its historical company structure (full or large battalion equals six bases). Other rule sets take a similar approach. My project will focus on the 15/18mm scale, though I haven’t started work on it yet. To narrow my focus, I’ve chosen a small battle from the 1808 Peninsular War, set in Catalonia, between French and Spanish forces. However, this introduced another challenge: the battalions in these armies varied widely men strength. Some battalions weren’t even formal units but rather ad hoc amalgamations of others. I think I can effectively represent these differences by standardizing base size rather than equating each base to a company. This method aligns with the rules, simplifies the process, and allows for visual variety reflecting historical differences in battalion strength. Initially, I planned to model each battalion with six tightly packed bases featuring eight figures per base. But after estimating the money and time costs, I realized this wasn’t practical. Instead, I’ve opted for six bases with only three figures per base. One of the things that made me decide on 15mm rather than 28 is saving space, and having six bases of eight figures saves very little. The Peninsular War's irregularities might work to my advantage from a hobby perspective though. They give me the opportunity to paint a mix of non-standard French troops (some still wearing white uniforms), Neapolitan and Italian forces, ragtag French units like chasseurs de montagne, and of course, the Spanish, with their mix of regular uniforms with bicornes and cool grenadier hats and guerrilla fighters. This variety should make the project more manageable while also adding visual interest and depth.
Thanks so much for the comment, glad to see I'm not alone in dedicating quite a lot of thought to it! I guess it's all about finding whatever works for your time/budget/interest at the end of the day. And definitely agree about finding ways to cover a bigger variety of troops in a project, sounds like a fascinating mix