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Dabrowski 101 — An Introduction to the Theory of Positive Disintegration
Chris Wells and Emma Nicholson delve into Dabrowski's theory of positive disintegration, providing a modern take on the theory based on their deep understanding and lived experience. They discuss the concepts of overexcitabilities, multilevelness, dynamisms, and the transformative journey towards self-discovery and personal growth. The episode explores the challenges and rewards of navigating through unilevel and multilevel disintegrations, emphasizing the importance of values and conscious choices in shaping one's personality. Join them as they share insights, personal experiences, and resources to help listeners understand and apply Dabrowski's theory in their own lives.
- 2024 Dabrowski Congress information: dabrowskicenter.org/DC2024
- Register for the Congress at dabrowskicenter.org/register
- Want more information about our upcoming courses? Register your interest here: dabrowskicenter.org/courses
- Visit Positive Disintegration on Substack at www.positivedisintegration.org
- Emma and Chris co-host the Positive Disintegration Podcast @positivedisintegrationpodc401
- Check out Emma's channel Adults with Overexcitabilities @adultswithoverexcitabiliti3367
- Visit the Dabrowski Center's website: dabrowskicenter.org
Resources from the video:
“The prefix over attached to ‘excitability’ serves to indicate that the reactions of excitation are over and above average in intensity, duration, and frequency.” Dabrowski, 1996, p. 7, (Multilevelness of Emotional and Instinctive Functions).
"Making multilevelness the central concept in the approach to development means that we have to apply it to every phenomenon under scrutiny. It means that we are using a new key, or paradigm, with which to approach human behavior and its development. It now becomes less meaningful to consider, for instance, aggression, inferiority, empathy, or sexual behavior as unitary phenomena, but it becomes more meaningful to examine different levels of these behaviors." Dabrowski, 1996, p. 10, (Multilevelness of Emotional and Instinctive Functions).
“Discovering in ourselves higher levels of development, higher tendencies, and sensitivities, we simultaneously create them.” Dabrowski, 1994, "The Heroism of Sensitivity," an interview in Advanced Development Journal.
"Do not run from yourself but conquer yourself!" P. Cienin, 1972, p. 40, (Existential Thoughts and Aphorisms).
“Movement from “what is” to “what ought to be” opens a channel for resolution and direction of developmental tensions. When this channel is not open, as in unilevel disintegration, the tensions lead to severe psychosomatic illness, psychosis, or suicide.” Dabrowski, 1977, p. 43, (Theory of Levels of Emotional Development, Vol. 1)
“Crises are periods of increased insight into oneself, creativity, and personality development” Dabrowski, 1964, p. 18, (Positive Disintegration)
- The lists of dynamisms were also from Dabrowski, 1977, pp. 45-46. Download a PDF at dabrowskicenter.org/1977
- For more on "nervousness" and the history of overexcitability: dabrowskicenter.org/origins
- The book we mentioned on the slide with five types of OE was "Mellow Out," They Say. If I Only Could" by Michael M. Piechowski, which is available from Royal Fireworks Press or other booksellers.
- Forms and Expressions of Overexcitability (PDF): dabrowskicenter.org/table-1
- The following papers from Michael M. Piechowski include case studies of moral exemplars and can be found in our Piechowski Archive at dabrowskicenter.org/mmp
- Piechowski (1990): Inner Growth and Transformation in the Life of Eleanor Roosevelt
- Piechowski (1992): Etty Hillesum: “The Thinking Heart of the Barracks”
- Piechowski (2009): Peace Pilgrim, Exemplar of Level V
- 2024 Dabrowski Congress information: dabrowskicenter.org/DC2024
- Register for the Congress at dabrowskicenter.org/register
- Want more information about our upcoming courses? Register your interest here: dabrowskicenter.org/courses
- Visit Positive Disintegration on Substack at www.positivedisintegration.org
- Emma and Chris co-host the Positive Disintegration Podcast @positivedisintegrationpodc401
- Check out Emma's channel Adults with Overexcitabilities @adultswithoverexcitabiliti3367
- Visit the Dabrowski Center's website: dabrowskicenter.org
Resources from the video:
“The prefix over attached to ‘excitability’ serves to indicate that the reactions of excitation are over and above average in intensity, duration, and frequency.” Dabrowski, 1996, p. 7, (Multilevelness of Emotional and Instinctive Functions).
"Making multilevelness the central concept in the approach to development means that we have to apply it to every phenomenon under scrutiny. It means that we are using a new key, or paradigm, with which to approach human behavior and its development. It now becomes less meaningful to consider, for instance, aggression, inferiority, empathy, or sexual behavior as unitary phenomena, but it becomes more meaningful to examine different levels of these behaviors." Dabrowski, 1996, p. 10, (Multilevelness of Emotional and Instinctive Functions).
“Discovering in ourselves higher levels of development, higher tendencies, and sensitivities, we simultaneously create them.” Dabrowski, 1994, "The Heroism of Sensitivity," an interview in Advanced Development Journal.
"Do not run from yourself but conquer yourself!" P. Cienin, 1972, p. 40, (Existential Thoughts and Aphorisms).
“Movement from “what is” to “what ought to be” opens a channel for resolution and direction of developmental tensions. When this channel is not open, as in unilevel disintegration, the tensions lead to severe psychosomatic illness, psychosis, or suicide.” Dabrowski, 1977, p. 43, (Theory of Levels of Emotional Development, Vol. 1)
“Crises are periods of increased insight into oneself, creativity, and personality development” Dabrowski, 1964, p. 18, (Positive Disintegration)
- The lists of dynamisms were also from Dabrowski, 1977, pp. 45-46. Download a PDF at dabrowskicenter.org/1977
- For more on "nervousness" and the history of overexcitability: dabrowskicenter.org/origins
- The book we mentioned on the slide with five types of OE was "Mellow Out," They Say. If I Only Could" by Michael M. Piechowski, which is available from Royal Fireworks Press or other booksellers.
- Forms and Expressions of Overexcitability (PDF): dabrowskicenter.org/table-1
- The following papers from Michael M. Piechowski include case studies of moral exemplars and can be found in our Piechowski Archive at dabrowskicenter.org/mmp
- Piechowski (1990): Inner Growth and Transformation in the Life of Eleanor Roosevelt
- Piechowski (1992): Etty Hillesum: “The Thinking Heart of the Barracks”
- Piechowski (2009): Peace Pilgrim, Exemplar of Level V
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No no girl,too many big words,just chill,it doesn't matter,you l see!
Overexitibilities. A stupid word. That’s energy to be channeled into positive production.
Kids/adults with conduct disorder can also be gifted... yes? Prisons are full of them (many 2e AND with heavy trauma histories). Was the kid also assessed for 2e? Also curious if the kid who tested at 105 have any learning challenges at school? Was this child 2e? Was that considered and tested for (i.e. auditory processing, visual-spacial challenges, dysgraphia, dyslexia, dyscalcula, ADHD etc.)? Just curious? Thanks.
Yes, of course, people with other diagnoses like conduct disorder can also be gifted. The child I mentioned in this video was indeed assessed for 2e, and there had been previous assessments that factored into why it was a compelling example for me at the time (although not so clear now, years later). What I didn't mention here but thought about later is how many messages I've received from teachers and clinicians over the past couple of years thanking us for bringing to light the fact that OE is not only for the gifted. People regularly express gratitude for our efforts to open up this non-pathologizing perspective beyond those who can be identified as intellectually gifted. They see OEs clearly in their neurodivergent children, students, or clients who aren't necessarily gifted/2e but have strong OEs. We have a long way in understanding the nature of OEs and positive disintegration outside of the gifted community, but some early efforts are underway.
Thanks for everything. I am confused here, i mean,can a person be of average IQ and still have overexcitabilities?
Yes, overexcitability can occur across different levels of intelligence including average.
@@dabrowskicenterThanks for the response.What about developmental potentials do they correlate ONLY with giftedness?
This would be a great question to tackle on the podcast in a Quick Bite episode. I'd argue that developmental potential looks different in gifted individuals, and the gifted experience of overexcitability is different than for typically-developing individuals. Because of their advanced cognitive abilities, gifted children and adolescents often experience early multilevel dynamisms. But OEs and DP are not only for the gifted.
Nice
Emma, you are brilliant. Your presentation captures so many of my issues with some "Dabrowskians". It is fine to have an academic community, I even consider myself an academic (and have done many interviews and analysis/reports of qualitative nature), but the ego, nomenclature, stodginess, resistance to iterations (i.e. basic scientific process) is a HUGE turnoff. Dabrowski did not invent the concept of self, introspection, or many other concepts, he put them into a shorthand matrix that can be useful. Thanks Dabrowski! I am much less interested in visiting a museum of thought than I am in jumping in the stream of flow that can deliver more people to realize their potential and get out of dark places. Useful, easy, modern, relevant, accessible - these are honorable, humanity serving aspirations that align with Dabrowski's invitation. Testing, learning, collaborating, failing hypotheses, and iterating are very basic practices that should be welcome in any scientific considerations, especially when testing a robust theory. You embody this advocacy better than any Dabrowski expert I've heard. Thank you. What is strange is that I loathe but I appreciate how you see that these concept translate into many modalities of communication. I am interested specifically now in a stock and flow or causal loop diagram that shows what happens when a gifted or OE person comes across information as you (and I) did. Back when I 1st re-embraced my own giftedness, I also saw a huge interest in gifted children /their programming, activity addressing some gifted aspects in academia, and nothing for those of us that did not make careers centered on giftedness or Dabrowski. What you seem to be saying is that you are actually more interested in the outcomes of unleashing giftedness - whether that be helping someone out of the dark or helping someone fulfill some potential - instead of staying centered on the theory and how fussy we can get about it. That is where I'm at. Debating nuances of past theory is not useful to me, I've got potential to fulfill for myself and humanity.
Agreed that Emma is brilliant and absolutely essential in moving the conversation forward with TPD. 🙌
This is a message. Hi Michael et al.
"Why do we ask children to trust adults when we don't trust children?" Truth.
Solid Gold, wish I had known this 48 years ago.
I just saw the talk posted on the Dutch gifted learners conference (NTCN). It’s neat to hear his views from a few decades ago too. EDIT: This was a great interview. I did listen to it at 1.75x because he is thoughtful and takes long pauses. It was fun hearing his interactions with Linda Silverman and other well known giftedness researchers. This discussion seems more focused on just describing giftedness internally than helping parents and educators embrace the strengths of gifted children. More people need an opportunity to see this gem.
I’m so glad you enjoyed it. 🙏 The interview was one of many that Ellen Fiedler did during her sabbatical that year. She asked each person to talk about an underserved gifted population. I hope to share more of the videos here eventually.
thank you
I appreciate the analogies and ideas to bring improvements and attention to Kazmierez's important work. Ultimately, I have found more peace because of the theory of positive disintegration and OEs and believe part of why we're all here it to improve ourselves and once we do to help others improve, too. The ending of this session serves as a reminder I need to do my part by spreading the word.
As the saying goes “sharing is caring” ❤
Thank you ❤️
crying over the final thoughts! Thank you guys! thank you Emma! I am one of those needles Struggling!!! I am 42 years old from Argentina and less than 1 month ago I found the theory and it is definitely a life saver, last week I finished listening to your podcast completely hallucinating and a few days ago I joined the community of adults with overxitabilities but I have not yet introduced myself, I feel I have so much to read and at the same time I am overflowing!
We’re glad you found us, Lucas! 🙏❤️
And you’re the exact reason why this is important- because wonderful people like you are definitely worth the effort to reach ❤
Disappointingly superficial
Seems you missed the point of the simplification message, mate...
Oh wow i’m astonished and speechless how all details really bring me lights above my head: I’m not mentally ill. Hi, I’m Stella from Indonesia, I’m 35 yo, and i was misdiagnosed with BPD / NPD / A bit tendency leaning towards bipolar emotional roller coaster. And in my personal finding that brought me to Positive Disintegration: now all the little pieces in my life come to a solid frame. Thankyou so much for sharing this video. It’s deeply meaningful for me
Welcome, Stella! Thank you for sharing.
Nabraskians?? You have fans from all over the world! 🤣 UK here..
The captioning never seems to pick up "Dabrowskians" properly. 😂
Blame my stupid Aussie accent for not translating properly 😂