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Yeah, it’s quite unfortunate. The crazy part is, he did his part in trying to de escalate by not blasting immediately after getting cut the first time, But due to the current climate, it causes too much second guessing which is causing officers to be put in terrible situations like this

@@Officercake yeah man. That 21 foot rule is nonexistent now. Folk outside the profession don’t get it and don’t care about getting educated on it.

Sentences are hard

Sentences are hard

Sentences are hard

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Tbh I rather be a cop in a liberal city then a conservative city. Odds are that the liberal city has more money and a bigger dept. odds are there’s way less guns in a liberal city. Odds are that people in the liberal city are just trying to smoke weed and get high while in a conservative city there’s Karen’s everywhere

I see what your saying but I wouldn’t say that’s entirely accurate. Look at Chicago for example. Incredibly liberal with one of the highest gun violence rates in the country. If you have seen any of the BWC coming out of there from shooting, it’s obvious that they’re hiring whoever they want and don’t provide any real training. I work in a liberal city on paper but the mayor supports police now which has been great and not always the case.

@@Officercake what’s crazy is the call volume. Why are so many people calling the cops? In many cases the bigger the agency the more you need to train yourself.

@@Platoon_Guide There is A LOT of calls that shouldn't be made. Police aren't there to tell your kid to take a shower or tell your neighbor to mow his lawn. Both calls I have seen IRL before haha.

Specialized unit now. Did about 4 years on patrol before transferring

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I’ll just direct you to read the other comments.

That's not really what was said in the video, it was more of a conversational discussion on how it could. In fact I say shooting is shooting more than one time in the video. Also those conversations were questions I had recieved from cops on applicability so it seemed that at least some people learn that way and that's fine. Thinking a one size fits all approach works for how some folks learn isn't super helpful, data shows that. I agree you don't need scenarios or that they can be harmful in some cases, but providing context is never a bad thing if someone needs it. The "cops are dumb" argument shouldn't apply as well.

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@@jacrispy9603 You guys did say that cops shouldn’t be trying to justify drills by creating applicable scenarios, but then (at the timestamp I provided) Cake gave a comparable scenario. Like I said, it’s talking out of both sides of the mouth. The reason some people continue to think that every drill has to apply to a real world situation is because of situations like this where “authoritative figures” give a scenario. We need to stop doing it. This isn’t about people learning a certain way, it’s about changing the paradigm and we can’t do that by continuing to follow the status quo. In my original comment, I gave the start of the answer you should give to cops (or armed citizens) when they ask you how a certain drill applies. You explain to them the SHOOTING SKILLS that are being tested/developed. There’s literally zero reason to give a scenario. If they ask for a scenario, you pause and take the time to explain why that type of thinking is flawed. This is another instance of getting people to become process focused instead of outcome focused. The “outcome” would be the scenario, the “process” is explaining what shooting skills the drill is working on.

@@Officercake It’s extremely telling that even after having your ass handed to you in the discussion with Pranka, Palmer, and Young that you still haven’t learned humility. You still won’t accept that you don’t know what you don’t know. People are trying to explain it to you but you’re not listening.

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Yeah I completely agree, I even mention that during the discussion that contextualizing isn't the move. It's purely a hard skill based exercise. Now on the flip side, painting a picture of how that skill translates into a situation isn't harmful.

@@jacrispy9603I disagree and think it can be harmful. Because the ridiculous scenarios they are making to try and frame this as “realistic to cops”, will get the guys who already don’t want to be there just bitch about how ridiculous and unrealistic this scenario is. Do bad, then blame it on “well the scenario is never going to happen like that anyways”. It’s a shooting skills building exercise. Every part of shooting can apply to any single shooting. Playing fantasy land on the range doesn’t make shooting skills apply. Applying shooting skills does.

@@jamesthrun3211 yeah we agree dude, what I'm saying is, alot of the push back from LE I've personally encountered is how does that skill translate. I firmly agree with you on the scenario thing. Infact the video above states that. You don't need a fantasy storyline, I totally agree. But explaining what hard skills will allow you to possibly do, isnt a fantasy scenario. It's simply stating that the skills obviously translate, it's just putting into terms an LEO may understand.

@@jamesthrun3211 also it's not just cops you have to convince, it's their leadership. So if this provides some ammunition for them to push for better training from GMs and the like then good. It's another thing I have personally seen.

@@jacrispy9603 yeah I guess agree to disagree. I’ve seen much greater levels of improvement by leaving cop talk out of it. Cops are dumb, but they can think of whatever application themselves if they need it. Command wise as well. Fast and accurate is fast and accurate. Obviously all depts are different. Just what I’ve seen in a short 9 years. YMMV.

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@@gabrielfelixmunoz739 it’s a medium. Size of carrier is dependent on the size of plate you have

Yeah, I mean, it’s highly dependent on the area you work in, and what position your in. For me being in a TAC unit and in a high crime city, I opt to run rifle plates the whole time because it’s becoming more and more common that we run into rifle threats in a situation where we wouldn’t have time to throw on rifle armor.

@@Officercake dang I can’t imagine living in a high crime area. Republican cops vs. democrat criminals. Keep training because the country needs you.

under shirt carriers result in back problems from having everything on your belt. im about to be a cop in Chicago and this is the carrier im getting. AR pistols are the new Concealed j frame or Glock

@@gabrielfelixmunoz739 load bearing is a science. The police leadership don’t care because they don’t carry everything you do. Have your union look into forcing the city to provide medical experts to preserve your health long term. I lightened up my duty belt and kept a helmet and rifle plates in the car. Take care of yourself!

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Yeah, we can. I just choose not to because with the mag extension it pushes into the seat and makes it uncomfortable when sitting in the car

100%. Draws, presentation, and reloads can all be repped effectively in dry fire. It’s always good to do them all in live fire as well though to make sure your grip and vision is locked in

Cause the mag wasn’t empty🤷‍♂️

Take a look at freedom munitions man! Their reman 115gr 9mm is like $0.23 a round. Cheapest I’ve seen.

@@Officercake I will! Thanks bro.

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I’d say you can work the movements of reloads primarily in dry fire and then focus on drills that test your fundamentals at the range, but it’s definitely good to do reloads in live fire every now and then. Take a look at the gateway defense standards and give them a run. They test a lot of different things at once and can give you an idea of what you need to work on.

@@Officercake Most definitely! Will start adding reloads to my dry fire sessions from here on out lol. Appreciate the help man truly.

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@@Officercake they are looking at your assault weapon saying nobody needs that

@@Platoon_Guide no assault weapons in this video🤷‍♂️ plus, I think we all know what’s gonna happen if they actually try and do that nation wide

@@Officercake I’m with you. Hey can you dive into why too many cops have one handed OIS’s and maybe some low light pistol stuff?

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There’s 2 almost stacked on each other at the bottom of the A zone and 3 on the left middle of a zone. Had to tell on TH-cam but in my editor when I zoom in you can see the hits. Also, he was calling out the first shot time, not the overall time

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yeah, so this is ez mode in the video. Ideally you could have a friend out there with you to randomize the target placements, distances, how much of the target is exposed to you, and add in shoot/no shoot. When filming this I was out there alone so I didnt get that opportunity myself on this specific range day. I should have moved the deep corners further back though. Didn't give myself much room to work with.

Look at the “bill drills” short. Ported G34 had negative recoil haha

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@@Officercake oh dude, that would be sick. I can be a new shooter and be a test dummy for drills 😂

@@thatfishingnoob I’m the test dummy as well haha

Yeah they really should have been more patient. They were on full throttle the whole time. I agree with having him step out and having him sit on the curb but I don’t think they had to use force to achieve either of those

Restraint is a very important part of 2024 police work. You have to pick your battles.

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Yeah, and having him step out was the right move forsure, don’t think they needed to use force to achieve that though. They were at 100% from the start

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I mean, yeah, if you’re trying to refine your fundamentals then you gotta do what you gotta do. It’s all very situationally dependent on the shooter and where they’re at. For the majority of cops who don’t spend much time on the range, I’d rather have them get really good at the distances they are most likely going to be at for the limited time they do spend at the range. In a perfect world they would understand that they need to spend more time at the range and then they can get into the weeds of refining fundamentals at distance but the fact of the matter is that most only shoot once or twice a year at best unfortunately. Some will go once a month or every other month which is better but not sufficient. And then few will go pretty much every weekend which, in my opinion is the minimum to see actual results over time and implement an actual training program to refine fundamentals and start working at various distances to evaluate their ability. For the guy that goes every few months or less, I don’t think it does much good to go shoot bill drills at 15-25 because they don’t go enough to diagnose problems and then implement the solution reliably over time because they might not go again for a few months. Again, it’s unfortunate that all cops don’t go as often as possible to be proficient with their firearms but it is the reality currently.

Oh My, so hard done by being allegedly singled out as a big bad biker.....

@bobsch-gd6ze apparently you don't understand that what they did was literally illegal.

@@robertlane6431 apparently I Do:}

If you think what they did was illegal, drop a complaint on them🤷‍♂️

@@Officercake yea, its called being poor and cops take advantage of that every day.

Made a huge difference when I switched to the 20 on the belt. Always had issues with a 30 bumping my vest. Some of my team mates run 20s in the gun and on the belt. Only have to knock your elbow on the mag so many times before you switch it out😂

@@MrHurtYourFeelingshuh, I hadn’t ever really thought of that. Quite honestly I think it’s just cause it’s less syllable’s and faster to say. Plus, this is a much more casual environment where there is no legal obligation to identify properly as a police officer.

@@Officercake I get that but your target audience is other police officers correct? And not all but some might find it a little off putting being called or referred to as “cop” by another police officer…either way just a thought.

@@MrHurtYourFeelings ehhhhh, I get that, I just don’t see the word “cop” in a derogatory way myself. The way I see it, if your a police officer, and you get offended by someone calling you a cop(which is what you are) to the point where the actual topic of the video is lost, it’s just kinda childish to me. I’ve been called everything under the sun that you can call a white cop this day and age so “cop” “popo” “12” “pig” are all like nothing to me. If you call someone a “police officer” in the right tone of voice with the right facial expression and context, it could be taken in a negative connotation as well.

@@Officercake I think you misunderstood the question.. no one is offended, simply wondering why you chose to use it over police officer. It’s all good tho..

@@MrHurtYourFeelings you said “some might find it off putting” which implies some might think it’s a negative word.

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I struggle with this too so I’m probably not the best resource to help you fix this. I like to occlude my dot which helps

@@Officercake copy. Obviously frustrating cops get trained differently than the best practices.

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