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I feel yah Jeff, even my BootCamp CC called me Bruce, WTF lol.

All of these disciplines are only as effective as the practitioner. This debate will rage on forever.

A boxer of 10 years beats a karate guy of 10 Years . Simple is effective.

Boxing is more effective on the street.

It’s all mindset. Shotokan will get you in and out for the knockouts. You don’t need to be cauliflower ears or flat nose. ! Timing . Straight punches. ! Got to be fit for life. Great content guys . 👌

What are their pants

They think it’s more effective because it is

42:41 that was hilarious 😂 Rodtang definitely gets stronger the more head punches he takes

Thanks for the wisdom sharing

To be honest a boxer will use karate more efficiently after learning it than the guy who learnt karate only, actual fighting iq develops quicker in boxing, like distance management, angles, when to attack and defend, etc.

Lol guess what? It takes the absolute most skill to be effective with a garbage martial art like taichi or aikido or smth. You handicap yourself with a garbage martial art and that's why it takes more skill.

Yea karate dosent stand a chance

I promise my jujitsu wants to get in close to you and any punch you got won't even hit me because I'll be right by your nose....you think you're guna generate power 1mm in front of your nose? My hands are up anyways.....you guna snooze!

Comparing martial arts suck. War, self-defence and sports are different things. However, we seem to seem to use sports martial arts as the definition of what 'works' and that's wrong. In self defense I've found grip releases, pushes (to floor) and standing chokes have been of huge benefit to deescalte. In a competition, the person is persistent cos they want to win. You don't 'diffuse' a boxing match. Also, traditional martial arts often have much greate lr range of scenarios and assume some element of surprise. A wrestler is not surprised when someone in a match grabs them.

Mix karate with boxing, guess what ? you get kick boxing. Back then it used to be called, Full Contact Karate. Soon after it started being called, Kick Boxing. Thanks to, Benny the Jet Urquidez for globalizing it. Reason why kickboxing was created was to combat Muay Thai as, too many Karate guys were getting destroyed by them. Due, to the fact that Karate was watered down by the Olympics.

All I know is I was always impressed with Karate until in my Muay Thai class I was sparring someone with a karate black belt and he was completely ineffective. I had less than one year Muay Thai experience.

As a practitioner, I love karate but unfortunately most places don’t teach it in a way that makes it very effective. I appreciate my instructors and learning many very valuable lessons from them. However, if I ever start teaching it, I’ll be using a very different curriculum from what I was taught. No disrespect to my instructors, they were part of JKA Shotokan and as such they were bound within the JKA’s official curriculum, training, testing, and sparring requirements.

WHY LEARN BOTH?

Both are effective in an mma fight. My first martial art I studied was Shotokan self defense karate then in my teens studied boxer and both has its benefit as my pocket exchanges were more boxing based when I’d result to muscle memory but my initial outside or kicking range would be more karate distance management which I’d fluctuate in my amateur boxing matches where I’d get chewed out by my boxing coach untill I’d find success in baiting with a low guard as Jeff talks about. I found I had more trouble sparring a karate based mma practitioner then boxing because it became a chase and miss which becomes very exhausting because of the knowledge of the distance management of outside kicking range and the stance switching. The shelling and inside avoidance and ebb and flow of boxing has its place but for me the transition between both is where I’d get caught because of the footwork transitions as my stance in karate is more bladed as with my boxing which I would say is a less more efficient then my of martial arts. But what definitely helped overall was my wrestling which I did as a kid as well as my bjj in later years😂

Lots to unwrap. Karate wasn't designed for fighting with big gloves on. The boxing guard is pretty weak without gloves (but the head movement is good.. something you don't see much in Karate). Fundamentally what they're saying is untrue because otherwise we'd see experienced karateka beating experienced boxes, but we don't. Boxer with 7 yrs experience will beat karateka woth 7 years experience. To be honest, I think alot comes down to fundamentals. If you're very fit, very tough and have trained useful combos and fast responses, you're good. Of course on top of this, boxing is a game. A karateka learns more than protecting and targeting head and body. Lots of variation and also response to chokes, grabs etc. I'd actually say for aelf defense, karate is better if you train hard and properly. For matches, boxing better

boxing no question.

I hate brutality boxing in general

I mean, if I train with an ar15 for a month and I have the same accuracy as using an ak47 for a year, it definitely means ar15 is better. Boxing is a better martial art than karate, mainly bc of the way it's taught, bc of it's guard (regardless of being effective for baiting people in, it's not gonna work all the time) and bc of the lack of sparring, even in kyokushin. Doesn't mean a karateka can't beat a boxer, it mainly depends on the fighter and the way he learns, but boxing is definitely better

Bullshit take.

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And its the same for any sort of grappling and wrestling vs striking 1 year wrestler vs 1 year boxer/kickboxer/kratetkd The strikers are dead

Lmfao clifton brown I think showed u first hand brother on how wrong that statement u just made was. U made a video about him going to hard on u lmfao here is some advice keep your hands up. Drop them like he does and u risk getting messed up. Maybe I might be effective against people who dont have fundamentals down but hey for people who have no fundamentals why not just do an axe kick into a spinning toronado kick into a jumping elbow lmfao.🤣🤣🤣 Boys and girls go work your fundamentals and if you dont that's cool just dont go crying to mom when u get pieced up by a real professional🤣

Fracturing definitely will always happen. Even if it’s still effective. The OG’s of Muay Thai are NOT Happy with where it is today, or where it’s going. The GOATs - if you listen to them in translated interviews - most of them feel the beauty of the Art is being lost. And that’s just the empty hand competition. That’s not even getting into the forms, the weaponry, the wai kru and all the other warrior culture. So, definitely not just KungFu or Japanese Karate. Even Jiu Jitsu is starting to go through the early stages of this talk about losing its essence. Same with Judo. And that’s even with standardization, massive organizations, and competition.

Its definitely fear of losing students. Saw it first hand. Ran my sifus school for him. And all the seniors used to complain about the changes. But, the reality is 9 out of 10 people walking in the door could not handle even 30% of how hard we trained. And that’s without even counting sparring. The changes were purely so we could even have a school. Went from a few fanatics borrowing someone elses space to 60 people with a beautiful brotherhood / sisterhood, that still trained hard, but, also trained way smarter. Hardcore does not necessarily equal Smart, or Scientific.

That's exactly the same for Judo vs Wrestling, it takes longer to master BUT it's more effective once mastered

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I agree. I believe that if you want to take karate, you should have some sort of boxing or MMA experience, so that way you still know how to defend yourself in an emergency.

Karate over boxing

Sparring is the most important thing imo, whatever sport you practice

Any karate person would get demolished by mike tyson

A professional karate person VS a professional boxer, the Boxers gonna win.

Same with taekwondo. But its also very hard to find a great coach for these kind of traditional martial arts when you don't live in japan or south korea

This perspective gave me insight on what striking martial arts I should begin with because I’m in my early 30s starting this and I did not want to start a path that would only be effective after 5-10 plus years down the road. I don’t think any style is better than another as each style answers a different situation. But as a starter martial arts I think boxing was right for me just because of the learning curve to efficacy ratio.

Compare 2 sports is BS. It's all on the moment, the technique, the fear control, body condition, etc... If you take this comparisson on a street fight, the BS is even worse.

That’s an extreme Oversimplification of Boxing

Awsome interview.

But then a world class kick boxer comes in and knocks the bonkers out of you cause kept your hands low 😅

I love the combination. Wait isn't that mma

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This is because of Master Seth

99-out-of-100 karate practitioners _should not_ fight a trained boxer.

All martial arts need to spar

Great interview!

So from what I have gathered... Karate requires more skill to learn than boxing, therefore making it harder to use in the beginning. However, karate has more potential than boxing, as it has a larger moveset. Correct?

Man i am so happy that Jeff gets it.