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The problem with a crest gain is it won't affect any crest you have already acquired on an alt, so you'd be way shorter on crest with a boost if it was a character you were active on but sitting on the crest achievement to upgrade that alt

Maybe add a queue where it bumps up the rewards?

i do think if they add soloq m+ there has to be some homogenization among interrupts. Imagine the horror of joining a key with lots of interrupt packs and u get some shit like boomie warlock evoker as ur 3x dps. Oh and your tank *doesnt* happen to be a prot pala. get rid of solar beam and silence for pve PLEASE i just want some interrupt agency on my owl instead of praying my teammates kick.

Tettles had a good point two pods in a row.. world may be ending 😮. But as one of those DF season 3 3300 io pushed 26s it felt good (mostly pugging)… being in 12 jail now feels so miserable. 11s are like timed with 15 deaths and on farm for about a month now, but as soon as that 12 key gets put in all hell breaks loose. I was not a fan of the key squish cause even those small feelings of happiness going from 25-26 could make a week feel better so Hopefully S2 key transition is smoother lol

I don't mind the vault, but my biggest grip with the current system is that end of dungeon loot have zero, perhaps even negative dopamine hit, and it's really hurting my motivation to keep doing m+ despite how much I like the system.

Now that the Xalataths Bargain affixes are actually buffs frustrating as they may be at times do they even need anything at 12 beyond the removal of bargain and regular scaling ? This would make it less of a jump and it's still infinitely scaling. I think they sacrificed dungeons this season for delves and I only hope they learn from that rather than thinking the affix changes are a mistake. Heroic dungeons and m0 are far to easy and unrewarding and the key level jump in m+ is far to high.

People want to see THEIR spec in esports content. How often do you see "Oh same comp snooze" you can be the worst mdi team and people will root for you because you play some weird spec. John who has 7 kids and 13 minutes to play every 2 weeks who has mained fury warrior wants to see the best player play fury warrior and see what they can do. They can watch streamers but they wanna see their spec represented so each map of mdi should have pre selected specs that have to be played on that map. "Oh but that's so much practice for the players" eh who cares that's on them and they don't wanna see boring hyper practiced runs they wanna see the fiesta and they wanna see shadow priest blasting.

Pokemon has no place in WoW.

I tanked this season and I quit because the player base is so toxic. The game is more balanced than ever in history but it seems that players are more at each others throat and looking for reasons to torch the town.

How the fuck is growl in such a shit guild? Most of the 2 day guilds are done by now

it took no time to farm the stuff for the pet battles, and no skill at all. 100% tantrum

I 100% agree with Growl. It sucks having to log in 1-2 days a week just to raid farm for months. I wish there was a culture of taking a break until next tier in wow. That's one of the benefits with small raid sizes tbh, much easier to find a raid group who just wants to clear and then chill that way.

Watching mandatory/perplexed/holy moly do a dungeon in 10 minutes is cool.. for the first time. MDI is pretty hard to watch for 3 weeks for 40 matches when the number of good competitive matches is low

Blizzard trying to make everything an Esport like 6 or 8 years ago has had lots of negative long term effects.

It would be great for the game if the last half of a season was made significantly easier than the first half. If you're still playing at this time or still progging than reward the people who are playing this as an MMRPG for the long haul instead of a few intense weeks and then dip. Go crazy, remove valorstones from the game! quadruple crest drops! if your main has a myth-track piece than your alt can upgrade that slot to myth track level! make the severed threads buff work in keys up to 10! remove the crafting crest cost! Like, just let people play around with alts, easily get their weekly vaults, and just relax. Sweat-lords and ladies have already pushed way way past the average player. There are players and guilds who are trying to finish the marathon of CE, knowing they'll never place in Hall of Fame, but still want to complete the content. Oh, and REMOVE/CHANGE ANY MECHANIC IN RAID THAT IS MADE EASIER WITH A WEAKAURA. It makes it really hard to bring in a new player or grab a fill for raid progression when you have to spend 30 minutes getting them set up with a weakaura and then still teach them the fight.

Take a drink every time Growl says "unfortunately".

Tgp is cooler because I’m struggling in 13s and 14s and those pulls are exactly what I’d be doing to play safe

Completely unrelatable. I turned it off after 5 minutes when my eyes got tired from rolling them. This podcast continues to speak from a perspective that 99% of people will never experience. Probably a dead podcast in 6 months

The game would die if they tried to broadcast ingame. They can't even handle 50 people in the same zone without the game being unplayable, I do agree that they should swap MDI to TGP. TGP is way more enjoyable than watching teams speed run 9s lmao.

I want to like classic but it is just so fucking boring I can’t

For catch up crests utilize the warband system and you can farm them on ur main to send to ur alt past cap but you can’t spend them past the cap. So cap is 990 that you can’t spend spend on 1 char but you can infinitely farm them and can send them to alts also there should be a catch up rate

they should replace MDI with a competition to see how fast you can get into a +12 on a fully geared non-meta dps spec, although the competition might run too long

Yall were fucking cooking this episode

cant we just get rid of the crests/valor stones and just go back to valor upgrades?

Talking about reclearing bosses.Recently left a guild progging ovinax, looking for a new one. I have a choice between reprogging with a new guild or join a guild who killed it, and isnt looking to rekill it anytime soon (if at all) 😅

let me m+ only

My guild gets aotc 4-6 weeks in and then we all play something else until the next patch. Pretty much everyone is always back for the next raid as well, i feel bad for mythic guilds because it sounds like you have to fight the roster boss every week or fall apart. Also myth crest achievement should be per slot not full character

Some of the best players in the world in a Mythic raiding guild haven't touched the last boss of the raid after 3 months. Great difficulty, we should definitely tie gear progression to it, super healthy for the game.

I feel like they could remove lockout reatriction when hof closes kinda like how they used to do with xserver/xfaction or however it used to be

Reclearing this late in the tier is CRAZY lol I would gquit instantly, I just want to kill the end boss at this point

Title acting like theres anything to do in retail until next raid tier/s2 m+

Bench was my #1 Podcast/listened to on TH-cam Honestly its bcz yumy is here to defend the moles from Tettles

f tettles

Need to make Myth track more accessible. 10 is high. If I am too shitty for mythic, how do I progress closer to attempt mythic

mdi format suck but its better than nothing

m+ season already dead is because gearing alts is miserable, dungeon trash sucks, class balance is absolute dogshit as always

Love the podcast! Thanks for a nice episode :)

Squishei try and pay attention for more than 1 min challenge.........

I don't think most people have watched mdi/tgp because they are relatable. I don't even know how mdi and tgp are that differnet, feels like teams just doing crazy big pulls in both. I think it was just less interesting because the team skill was more spread out and the changes to the dungeons prevented more interesting routes.

On Growls MDI talk around the 28m mark: I actually prefer the MDI because it is different; if I want to watch 5 people go in and run keys 'normally' I can just get 4 friends together and run a weekly 10. For me, the MDI is more interesting because its more of a show of just pushing the game to stupid limits and the weird tech/interactions that come from it. Its just more fun and entertaining for me.

Every AOTC guild I’ve ever been in basically disbands after finishing heroic. aside from 3 or 4 people who mostly pug m+, but occasionally run some dungeons together

They should end M+ season cut offs for title at like the .0.7 patches and do a short little experiment section for things before the new patch

1:43:00 no, because of the vault, the guy with less time got many vaults before the juiced crests alt

Made a friend guild we got AOTC and KSH then all quit for classic and are gonna comeback for s2

I don't get crying about jump from 11 to 12. I barely noticed any jump besides not having to deal with annoying affixes.

I'll be doing the secret for the mount, but it pisses me off when I have to touch pet battle crap for anything not pet battle related. I hate that content.

On the solo queue Ultimately do I think we would get one - yeah, I think it’s kind of inevitable at this point HOWEVER their implementation is going to be scuffed either way. When you go into HC dungeon content right now, even at a base fresh 80 with even a few 70 S4 pieces that you don’t end up replacing.. you’re steamrolling that place. Might have a wipe once or twice if your tank goes full balls to the walls in meadry on the right wing with all the slow casts and then gets stunned, dies and then all of a sudden some poor healer has a billion mobs blitzing him then the dps get it, the tank then tries to relive the pull and it’s a constant death cycle until someone leaves Now with M+ how are they going to band players together? Ilvl? Okay cool so what’s the band within 3 ilvls, 5?, 8? Lets take 3 equally geared 619 people, one equipped through delves and never touched even an M0 and the other equipped by farming out +7s and then the last one only ever getting hero track gear from their vaults by doing +3. Would you say all 3 people are equally skilled in M+? .. okay do we go by score and again what is the banding for that? Is it within 300? 500?, does the banding get tighter as the key levels go up like is it within 500 score of each other for the +2 - + 3range, then 300 for the +4 - +7, then +w200 for the +8 - + 10 range because I personally wouldn’t say they’re all equally skilled even score based. We then come to the problem of who holds the key? Do we get rid of physical keys and instead it’s a LFG drop down, “I choose to do an Ara-Kara +6”.. can you imagine how messy that gets. Let’s just say we even condense the keys down to say LFG can only be done to +10 and then +11 and up is goblin territory and they have to create their own groups in the way we do now. That is still 80 individuals dungeons and key level combinations each season that you would have to scroll up and down on, which further dilutes the pool of players and segregates them out from each other which elongates the queue timer and has the same problem as currently just might go down from a 45 min queue wait for some dps to a 30 min one. Or again.. do we band the keystone levels, say +2 - +3, +4 - 7, +8 - +10 which is again unfair, say if I just want to farmed some gilded crests I would choose the easier route to my destination.. and go into 8s, I’ve capped my myth vault for the week and done all my 10s so no need to make my journey “harder”, or take the opposite, someone who has just come from the +2 to +3 range, now go to the next banding above and get slapped with a +7. Let’s even just talk about the disparity between the +2 to +3, +2 gives you champion in your vault but then a +3 gives you hero so you sign to that wanting the best possible gear in your vault and wanting a +3 but then get slapped into a +2 that then bricks your vault because if you want 8/8 hero track options you’ve now got to do 9 dungeons instead of the 8 Also let’s come to tank and healer rewards for the call to action or whatever it is called when you get that satchel sometimes in LFG. Would a tank realistically risk their time of let’s say 20-30 minutes to get 1-3 augment runes which at current market rate is about 5-6K gold. Yes sometimes you can get more, but most of the time I’ve done the call to action as tank it’s between 1-3 I get which is totally fine for a 5-10 minute adventure. That is also contingent on the fact that the group has to finish the M+ to get the reward and we know that at the first sign, maybe 2nd and sometimes group get to 3rd sign of trouble.. someone is dipping because the key now depletes and they get no score. I personally wouldn’t want to risk that, maybe at like a +2 or something low like that, because at that range you’re most likely able to 3-4 man it depending on the group anyway. Yes everyone currently risks their time now because someone can still just dip at the 1st sign of trouble however at the very least I know someone chose that guy because he seemed to know what he was doing due to his RIO score but now trusting a computer to put someone like growl and me together.. I don’t even know half of the stuff growl would know about dungeons. That wouldn’t be fair on him or even me. Then it’s like oh just give us tanks and healers extra crests, which is double edged because there is still a 90 cap on crests each week so I just get my cap quicker and then switch to a new tank so instead of it taking me 7-8 dungeons it now takes me 5-6 to get my weekly cap if there is a call to action. Cool that means I am done with my characters a whole lot sooner in the week, and okay I still might do the 8 dungeons because of filling out vault but other than the start of the season when you’re farming the hero gear what real need is there to push further unless you’re pushing for score? Which again.. just gets you out of the banding and LFG sooner. I do think this would solve atleast 1 problem but then create another one as if you leave a hc dungeon early you can’t join another for.. 30 mins I think it is? The problem that would create then is someone taking a 30 min hit because the group cannot simply deal with the ara-Kara last boss and they’ve wiped 5 times, or you could say “once the time has ran out you can the. Leave no penalty applied” cool.. so say we’re stuck at 2nd boss.. I now have to wait 20-30 mins of slamming my head against a wall before I can leave and not be punished because I’m sorry but when we’re this deep into a season and you still don’t know a dungeon mechanic (I’m talking boss mechanics, not skip mechanics) then that shouldn’t be on me to teach you, and it shouldn’t be on anyone else to teach me. Wow has got to be one of, if not the most documented game out there for guides, tactics etc which are accessible easier then loading up the game. I think this is going to great for the content, can you imagine channels like OneAzeroth (metro was his name I think?) he’s going to be able to pump thousands of videos a day on the random fails because of this tool. Like I said at the start of this ramble, I think it’s inevitable that we get this at some point.. thinking more S3 / S1 of Midnight but I do also think it’s a “you think you do, but you don’t” situation.

It’s funny that TGP is watched more and teams enjoy it more. I can’t watch TGP. It’s so unbelievably boring to me. But I love watching MDI. It’s way more messy and exciting and strategically fun. It’s always blown my mind that people prefer TGP. I also don’t watch WoW streamers much at all and don’t enjoy m+ pushing so that’s probably why.

I’ll never understand how WoW has a player base that is so entitled to being bad at the game and still receive the best rewards.

18:13 It's honestly so annoying that the wow culture is to go hard & burn out before the season's over