sube minelab, good info but that is not were this this machine actually picks up targets or pinpoints them... It is actually right underneath of the minelab label on the coil or the toe of the coil. This is were the target will be and were the pinpoint picks it up at too :D
Realistically though most would never dig that first senerio, You get those little High clips falseing often. If you spent your time digging every signal that clipped a little high tone your good find ratios would go way down. Good video either way helping folks learn the CTX
You will notice the coil is not over the target when I get the high it's being picked up by the edge of the coil it is giving a high , this high repeats most highs you get are falses if your running hot falses won't repeat like this .Coil speed has to be slow to fast won't hear .If you run hot you will deal with more falsing it's just one example of thousands of senerrios . The ctx is a very smart machine it tells you what you should be running in that's why you have -a to + a in auto you can adjust for where your suppose to be running at if your running to hot above what the ctx recommends you well get falsing .If your running to low depth well suffer Try running what it recommends and see what happens .
In the real world with iron halo's, bent nails, etc that will cause repeatable high chirps (even in auto) it is IMO most will not spend the time digging that noise. Will falsing be better in auto than running high manual sensitivity? sure, But by running auto sensitivity you will be missing the deep coins. It is something folks just have to accept. IMO you will miss more by running auto than running hot and getting the OLD coins deep. Again I do appreciate your video's, You indeed spend a lot of time figuring out the CTX. I myself have many hundreds of hrs. on the ctx as well and it is by far my most favorite machine I have ever run. Thanks again :)
I have a second video on target trace that I show what happens to a nickel in my dirt Now that nickel well not build a trace after 5 inches in the right spot it's not a deep coin . But the audio is there all the way to 6 inches and to 8 inches if I hold above the dirt this is in auto +3 . I didn't show what happens when I went to manual 30 with the 6 inch coil still no trace lost the id at 4 inches auto or 30 manual. I always ran at 30 manual with the 6 till I tried auto with a offset of -3 at a place I hit hard with manual 30. This area had 6 to 7 inches of fill over it .Using auto -3 my detector was running at 10 to 11 sensitivity I found 2 v nickels and a indian the nickels were 8 inches deep to 9 . 1 to 2 inches in the black original soil under the fill they did not id right but gave a good tone I crank up to 30 manual and it made it very hard to hear those coins by lighting up all the iron that was below the nickels . when using manual 30 it will hear all the little iron and mineralization there by drowning out the good signal .But I will agree 30 manual will go deeper in the right situation but will bring more noise . High falsing happens on the right side of the screen 12.37 to 12.50 and down to the 35 line if you disc out 13.47 to 13.50 and down to the 35 line you will not hear these falses go high but you will still hear 13.37 to 13.46 down to the 35 line it cut's half your high tone fales out .You have that bottom curser that can give more imfo on if iron or not my 32 to 35 line is disc out also fe line set at 34 from 32 to 35 are going to go low disc or no disc that's why I have them disc out . And thanks for your view on the video . sube
I just watched your nickel video last night :) And I agree, Always be worried about the consistent tone first.. I have done a little experimenting of my own on real targets that have been in the ground for decades. When ever I get a faint deep signal I go over auto and see if I can hear the signal. The last one I tried this with it ended up being a Barber dime at 9 inches measured. In auto it barely made it null out. Your point about soil I believe is very valid. Some soils running hot just shuts you down with noise.. HH and have a great Holidays!!
Interesting. This is why you need to sweep targets twice at 90 degrees. The Gold Bug 2 shows this nulling effect with rusty nails in iron discrimination mode. You need to have a positive response in both directions to possibly have a gold nugget. One direction can be ambiguous because a nail being swept sees too little of the coil when it is lined up in the same plane as the sweep.
absolutely Untrue ...... you have manipulated your demo targets .... you can't scan any target only over the center bar ... it won't respond ... 28 freq CTX doesn't mask ... your demonstrating a single freq phenom on a super Multi machine .... Just Not true
Another good reason to dig as many of those rotten foil signals as one can bear. I don't think the park down the street from my house has ever been hit by a gold hunter. I've been making a pass by the basketball court on my way out for some time now digging a hand full of these each time hoping a ring will pop out. No rings yet but I did score a 1906 Indian Head that was a couple inches below an old style ring pull.
A fine gentleman from another forum ask to see what depth I could get a trace at holding the coil above the target something I overlooked here are the results . ferrous coin would hit at 3 inches on a east west hit and 7 inches on a north south hit. High trash would only see it at 1 1/2 inches on a east west hit and 7 inches on a north south hit the north south hits all gave audio as you know so it would appear that the trace is tied to the audio yet at the same time the east west hits have no audio . So I still don't know why the trace is working on the east west hit without audio which would make it appear that the trace would be separate from the audio ?. I guess some more testing is in the works in the (dirt) . Well at least I found that this can be done in high trash to but it's not as deep as ferrous coin .One other thing is maybe when in ferrous coin the trace is seeing it north south and giving no audio because of the ground covering it . That would explain why I could of dug these signals down to 7 inches in real dirt . I guess I will have to wait for the snow to go away before more testing . sube
A fine gentleman from another forum ask to see what depth I could get a trace at holding the coil above the target something I overlooked here are the results . ferrous coin would hit at 3 inches on a east west hit and 7 inches on a north south hit. High trash would only see it at 1 1/2 inches on a east west hit and 7 inches on a north south hit the north south hits all gave audio as you know so it would appear that the trace is tied to the audio yet at the same time the east west hits have no audio . So I still don't know why the trace is working on the east west hit without audio which would make it appear that the trace would be separate from the audio ?. I guess some more testing is in the works in the (dirt) . Well at least I found that this can be done in high trash to but it's not as deep as ferrous coin .One other thing is maybe when in ferrous coin the trace is seeing it north south and giving no audio because of the ground covering it . That would explain why I could of dug these signals down to 7 inches in real dirt . I guess I will have to wait for the snow to go away before more testing . sube
Thanks I need to be more aware of the screen in the field. I usually tone hunt but I have fields with much iron I will be more careful looking at the screen.
Thank you for sharing this. Great info👋👍
Good Test. Your problem would be solved by long tone.
It is due to "Ferrous Coin". Simply change it to one of the other three.
Very, Smart was having troubles. Thank you this helped alot!! Got a new Sub out of this.
sube minelab, good info but that is not were this this machine actually picks up targets or pinpoints them... It is actually right underneath of the minelab label on the coil or the toe of the coil. This is were the target will be and were the pinpoint picks it up at too :D
Thank you, very informative video!
Thanks for video!!
Fantastic information, Love al your videos Cheers buddy ;-)
Why don't you use square nails or test in different directions?
Realistically though most would never dig that first senerio, You get those little High clips falseing often. If you spent your time digging every signal that clipped a little high tone your good find ratios would go way down. Good video either way helping folks learn the CTX
You will notice the coil is not over the target when I get the high it's being picked up by the edge of the coil it is giving a high , this high repeats most highs you get are falses if your running hot falses won't repeat like this .Coil speed has to be slow to fast won't hear .If you run hot you will deal with more falsing it's just one example of thousands of senerrios . The ctx is a very smart machine it tells you what you should be running in that's why you have -a to + a in auto you can adjust for where your suppose to be running at if your running to hot above what the ctx recommends you well get falsing .If your running to low depth well suffer Try running what it recommends and see what happens .
In the real world with iron halo's, bent nails, etc that will cause repeatable high chirps (even in auto) it is IMO most will not spend the time digging that noise. Will falsing be better in auto than running high manual sensitivity? sure, But by running auto sensitivity you will be missing the deep coins. It is something folks just have to accept. IMO you will miss more by running auto than running hot and getting the OLD coins deep. Again I do appreciate your video's, You indeed spend a lot of time figuring out the CTX. I myself have many hundreds of hrs. on the ctx as well and it is by far my most favorite machine I have ever run. Thanks again :)
I have a second video on target trace that I show what happens to a nickel in my dirt Now that nickel well not build a trace after 5 inches in the right spot it's not a deep coin . But the audio is there all the way to 6 inches and to 8 inches if I hold above the dirt this is in auto +3 . I didn't show what happens when I went to manual 30 with the 6 inch coil still no trace lost the id at 4 inches auto or 30 manual. I always ran at 30 manual with the 6 till I tried auto with a offset of -3 at a place I hit hard with manual 30. This area had 6 to 7 inches of fill over it .Using auto -3 my detector was running at 10 to 11 sensitivity I found 2 v nickels and a indian the nickels were 8 inches deep to 9 . 1 to 2 inches in the black original soil under the fill they did not id right but gave a good tone I crank up to 30 manual and it made it very hard to hear those coins by lighting up all the iron that was below the nickels . when using manual 30 it will hear all the little iron and mineralization there by drowning out the good signal .But I will agree 30 manual will go deeper in the right situation but will bring more noise . High falsing happens on the right side of the screen 12.37 to 12.50 and down to the 35 line if you disc out 13.47 to 13.50 and down to the 35 line you will not hear these falses go high but you will still hear 13.37 to 13.46 down to the 35 line it cut's half your high tone fales out .You have that bottom curser that can give more imfo on if iron or not my 32 to 35 line is disc out also fe line set at 34 from 32 to 35 are going to go low disc or no disc that's why I have them disc out . And thanks for your view on the video . sube
I just watched your nickel video last night :) And I agree, Always be worried about the consistent tone first.. I have done a little experimenting of my own on real targets that have been in the ground for decades. When ever I get a faint deep signal I go over auto and see if I can hear the signal. The last one I tried this with it ended up being a Barber dime at 9 inches measured. In auto it barely made it null out. Your point about soil I believe is very valid. Some soils running hot just shuts you down with noise.. HH and have a great Holidays!!
always enjoy your videos and thanks for taking the time to do them. I always learn something from them
I do believe I will give this a try tomorrow. Thank you for these informational videos.
Interesting. This is why you need to sweep targets twice at 90 degrees. The Gold Bug 2 shows this nulling effect with rusty nails in iron discrimination mode. You need to have a positive response in both directions to possibly have a gold nugget. One direction can be ambiguous because a nail being swept sees too little of the coil when it is lined up in the same plane as the sweep.
absolutely Untrue ...... you have manipulated your demo targets .... you can't scan any target only over the center bar ... it won't respond ... 28 freq CTX doesn't mask ... your demonstrating a single freq phenom on a super Multi machine .... Just Not true
Well put a coin under the center bar all my detectors go beep
Great info sube...
Thanks for the video Sube, I learn from and appreciate all of your work. JJ
great job, sube! Thanks for the lesson. cjc
Another good reason to dig as many of those rotten foil signals as one can bear. I don't think the park down the street from my house has ever been hit by a gold hunter. I've been making a pass by the basketball court on my way out for some time now digging a hand full of these each time hoping a ring will pop out. No rings yet but I did score a 1906 Indian Head that was a couple inches below an old style ring pull.
I said in the field but It was in my basement so I went outside and did the test in real dirt .same results . sube
A fine gentleman from another forum ask to see what depth I could get a trace at holding the coil above the target something I overlooked here are the results . ferrous coin would hit at 3 inches on a east west hit and 7 inches on a north south hit. High trash would only see it at 1 1/2 inches on a east west hit and 7 inches on a north south hit the north south hits all gave audio as you know so it would appear that the trace is tied to the audio yet at the same time the east west hits have no audio . So I still don't know why the trace is working on the east west hit without audio which would make it appear that the trace would be separate from the audio ?. I guess some more testing is in the works in the (dirt) . Well at least I found that this can be done in high trash to but it's not as deep as ferrous coin .One other thing is maybe when in ferrous coin the trace is seeing it north south and giving no audio because of the ground covering it . That would explain why I could of dug these signals down to 7 inches in real dirt . I guess I will have to wait for the snow to go away before more testing . sube
A fine gentleman from another forum ask to see what depth I could get a trace at holding the coil above the target something I overlooked here are the results . ferrous coin would hit at 3 inches on a east west hit and 7 inches on a north south hit. High trash would only see it at 1 1/2 inches on a east west hit and 7 inches on a north south hit the north south hits all gave audio as you know so it would appear that the trace is tied to the audio yet at the same time the east west hits have no audio . So I still don't know why the trace is working on the east west hit without audio which would make it appear that the trace would be separate from the audio ?. I guess some more testing is in the works in the (dirt) . Well at least I found that this can be done in high trash to but it's not as deep as ferrous coin .One other thing is maybe when in ferrous coin the trace is seeing it north south and giving no audio because of the ground covering it . That would explain why I could of dug these signals down to 7 inches in real dirt . I guess I will have to wait for the snow to go away before more testing . sube
+sube minelab I don't have a 3030 but this is a super video!
I will try that!!! thanks!!!
Thanks for sharing your research. Very useful.
This is a great video!!! I will be watching this several times over the coming weeks.
Thanks Sube! That really helps!
I just wish I could see the screen ! I hunt in the water wearing polarized shades and it is impossible to see sometimes
Great video, thank you
Thanks I need to be more aware of the screen in the field. I usually tone hunt but I have fields with much iron I will be more careful looking at the screen.
Thanks for the vids! Please post many more to help those of us needing help understanding the language of this awesome machine!
Thanks for the info what you are showing will help!