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The Order of Wrath
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เข้าร่วมเมื่อ 6 ก.พ. 2017
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Beginner 2 handed axe tips for steel fighting
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Beginner 2 handed axe tips for steel fighting
I get following rules and being safe and all that… but isn’t the point to hurt the opponent to the point they give up or are incapacitated? Idk I think in general the rules need to allow for theoretical deaths or incapacitations so that it better reflects the reality of armored combat. I feel like buhurt devolves into wrestling more often than not. I’m not well versed in the rules, but I feel like taking repeated strikes to a bladed weapon should have some kind of penalty. Like in other combat sports when you aren’t protecting yourself. I feel like taking one or two solid or weak head strikes is fine, but a ref should consider you dead if you take a hard axe strike to the dome or shoulder? Idk though if that would be too complicated and give the ref too much power. But I wish there was a way to make it more accurate to if the weapons were sharp, like how unarmored combat does it, just adjust the rules for the consideration of being able to survive a lot more. Again I’m not an expert by any means, and maybe there is a version of armored combat that has rules like this.
Yeah no lol. The rules are based off of old school tournament rules used as a method of training, morale, and preparation for war. We aren't trying to kill each other merely competing for sport. That's why the armored is thicker and heavier than traditional armor.
@@vordermark89 source? If there is historical basis that would be pretty interesting. I still think armored combat with a rule set focused on simulating a real combat situation and trying to score fatal blows would be interesting nonetheless
@@caravaneerkhed it would be impossible to control because it would have to be based off an honor system. Which is the last thing they have in this sport. More cheaters than a Florida housewives group. Look up the tournament of the rose. 14th c I believe. That's the basics of it
I think most of the poeple trying grappling moves in armor did not in fact come from a BJJ background. I saw a guy on some vid somewhere that was a black belt (I think) who put on armor and his immediate reaction was "no, get this off me, im helpless in this" He knew immediatly that none of his BJJ was going to do him any good in this and he felt valnurable as fuck. I think this is going to be the reaction of real experienced grapplers. What we are seeing is just people who watched too many movies or just saw ronda rousey do a bunch of hip tosses and think they can pull it off lol.
Most definitely. People really don't understand how to move in armor until they've experienced it for themselves. Alot of guys do these moves and get lucky, but one day it will go horribly wrong. Then boom, you're done.
I have a question. What is the point of hand weapons in this sport? They feel weak and fighter that wield them are always wrestling instead of striking. Doesnt feel very medieval Idk
Due to the rules of the different leagues and the lack of skill of most fighters they have to rely on grappling because they are not good enough to strike. And Alot of people don't have the physical endurance to handle multiple fights so they just hug each other. It is sad.
@@vordermark89 oh i see. But in that case hand weapon strikes can be useful in the hands of a skilled fighter. Thanks!!
@@pabloalonsolasagabaster658 they may be on a different platform or name but there's a couple videos of me dropping people with a one hander. It is incredibly difficult to do. 2 hand is easy. 1 hand there is maybe 1 in 50 fighters actually capable of dropping someone with it
@@vordermark89 hehe you looked 1000 stronger than me, and since i am no grappler, my only chance would be the polearm i guess.
@@pabloalonsolasagabaster658 polearm is the hardest weapon to use in armored combat
Do you have any recommendations for sites to buy gear from?
Sites specifically no, but there are many quality smiths out there!!!
Great Video!
This is a really good video. I subscribed. I hope to see more training videos. You should put a link to episode 2 in the description. Also create a playlist of training videos.
Could you tell us what camera is being used to shoot??
Oh man I love logan hes like a tank
Sottotitoli in Italiano,vi prego!
I can try! I will have to research how to do this!
@@vordermark89 💪💪💪🤗
Aiden Ross in a WHOLE NOTHER UNIVERSE
Do you guys ever do castle raids or castle defense? My dad was in the SCA in ohio and used to travel for different battles just wondering if you guys did that too? I think at penssic?
We don't really do sca. Completely different. I've done lillies war before, but I can't speak on behalf of the other fighters.
How tall is Logan??
6ft 1 or so
Hey guys! Have an instagram? I wanted to ask you if I could have permission to montage some of your fights into a highlight reel? Thanks!
Been inhaling Buhurt videos for days, but this one is by far the most informative I've seen yet. Thank you, gentlemen.
🙏 I'm glad people are still getting some good advice from this
Im about to jump into the sport and i am glad i came by this video. I am excited to get into the fight but I want to do it right. Thank you 😊
Just be wary the rules have changed drastically in the sport and in the different leagues. There's a ton of stuff you can't do anymore. But as a general good video on new stuff this video is great
Is this buhurt?
One group of buhurt enthusiasts yes
logan is the undisputed goat +10000000000000000 aura
😂 yeah no. 😂
@@vordermark89Okay smartass, like, just stop commenting on every single video, acting like a tough guy.
Great video, covers a lot of the things us rookies should learn. I just made the neck mistake during a melee, thankfully the fighter was OK.
Thank you for watching!
where are new videos man?
There won't be any new videos on this channel unfortunately. But If you follow Timothy Hines he is the videographer and posts to his channel now. 🙏
@@vordermark89 who?
@@ZodiacTVMsc @timothyhines
LETS GOO!
Seth is a MVP
😂 facts! He was always a crowd favorite!!!
I been watching vids for like 6 months now and i have a buddy who let me wear his gear. Im a pretty athletic guy lift 100lbs all day and did two tours in the Army. Cant understate the stamina aspect. It reminds me of being in Full kit in the army carrying a 249 except you have to move faster, swing weapons and have the claustraphobic affect of the helm retricting oxegen intake. I only played around with it for about 10 minutes but i went as hard as i could. I was shit whipped and sore the next day. So will i be searching for armour probably not but its definetly become one of my favorite sports. Guess all the years i spent working renn fair as a teen stuck with me.
That's awesome! Yeah I've armored up all kinds of people from all kinds of other sports, martial arts, military, and it's definitely unique! There aren't a lot of things that compare
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Personally I wouldn't fight in a low list as im more concerned about falling over it and breaking my neck than 7ft mountain man with a two hander 😅
I've gone over it, under it, around it. Never had that problem. Unless your armor doesn't fit you almost ALMOST can't break your neck. You can piss off the muscles in it, but a break is highly unlikely
This is badass, yall are badass!
So in noob terms, you're defeated if you get taken off your feet?
You're a side linder ???
Who? And what is a side linder?
@@vordermark89 you
@@kpay7294 a linder is a sweatshirt... I'm a sweatshirt?
@@vordermark89 a side sweatshirt??
@@kpay7294 that's the definition of linder
"Inexperienced fighter"
"Really dangerous, Unnecessary or is really going to put you in a bad position." That is exactly how I describe wearing fingered gauntlets.
You are 1000% correct.
as in non clamshells? cuz yeah fr
Nice 😁👌
So essentially every mistake team USA makes at the international games ?
BAHAHAHHA EXACTLY!!!
second to last round, her footwork after that kick was impeccable
from what i understand, if you need to survive literally anything, anywhere, anytime, any realm, live in a suit of armour *excluding heat exhaustion and dehydration*
This was really informative and shows your passion for this! Top notch!!! Great Watch
Thanks buddy 😁
why not just use very pointy spears and shields?
Is there a certain rule for brigandine colors when it comes to combat? Is bright colors too distracting? Makes you a easy to identify target? I'm planning on getting a tri colored brigandine.
Depends on the league
I enjoyed watching this :-)
😂
Thank you for the safety video about technique... Dang thank goodness, I only got my back twisted in a full nelson. To be honest the world needs more caution, as well as sports. Specifically awesome Steel Fighting sport, I can dream can't I?
6:53 the great duel of monster energy
😂😂😂 amazing
If a person with a plate chest on the back is pulled backwards with a two-handed weapon or is choked, the spine may be subjected to a point load at one point, the neck protector/rim of the plate chest, which could actually cause the vertebrae to dislocate (neck fracture). To me it seem that isn't really taken into account in the usual armored wrestling actions at the side fences. I guess that's the case until these days because nothing really serious has happened yet. But I'm afraid it's only a matter of time before the first wheelchair user will appear in the outcome of this potential issue. --- Aside from the fact that this armored wrestling isn't very "pretty" to look at, I personally think that's the only really potentially dangerous aspect of Buhurt, especially if while the neck is bent backwards, a third person jumps into such wrestling situation. That might do the worst outcome take place within a single second. Accordingly, I hope that in the future this helmet / neck bending will simply be prohibited by rules! But that is just my 2 cents ...
Maybe they will but I doubt It. Nobody follows their own leagues rules anyway. And they change the rules every year. Can't make up their minds between safety and historical accuracy. It's just stupid. But at the end of the day you sign a death waiver. You know the risks you're taking.
With Logan and Andrew wearing similar armor, it looks like Logan is a father teaching his son how to fight, he's this sports father figure
Too bad he doesn't know how to fight 😂
There was a moment where Kaley(?) was lumberjacking the other person... should have (ignored the marshal) kept at it. Nothing wrong with getting those points all from the leg if the opponent isn't good at defending low....
What's the timestamp? Because we don't allow gaps. She may have been gapping. Or just wasting energy on useless hits like many people that don't know to strike or place shots
@@vordermark89 sorry, genuinely didn't mean to offend (If I did). Nothing but respect for the people involved. Fair to say these are adapted rules here (no less awesome of valid at all for that!!) so I'll retract my comment as I don't know how you're scoring things.
@@JustinShaedo not at all! I was just curious! No offense taken at all
@@vordermark89 Respect. I worded all of that poorly. I guess I just felt your fighter was kicking some arse and doing a great job (and obviously some 1st rate organising, training and support going on here!) I should have just said that and shut up!
@@JustinShaedo 😂 not at all man we appreciate the input!
Hi I've just discovered your channel. I've liked this video, good quality, very visual and interesting advice. Here in France most béhourd (buhurt) channels are good, but focus on bragging about their combat capacities, it's rare to find training and tutorial videos !
Awesome video. Good action and lots of fun to watch.
What camera + gear are you using for this? Looks nice!
i dont know the winner, the big dude, damn i would not want to fight against him! all those fast strikes are nice, but i guess no dammage... lets find out who will win
We love Logan around these parts. Can't wait to tangle with him again.
Then you're one of like 5 people 😂 glad at least someone had a good experience with him.
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